Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Pretty sure that would be the same regardless of whether they're in a romantic relationship.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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Is it better to have loved and lost or is it better to have never loved at all?
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Better to lose your kohai in an instant than your kohai and lover in that same instant.
Yes.
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Definitely the second one. (n=1)
Honestly, Shika is right that romance is the most troublesome thing of all (aside from, like, the Hard Problem of Consciousness and solving Friendly AI), but ultimately it is also a good way to ensure mental health and emotional support. And if it turns out that Ino and Hazou are as compatible as their interactions so far have suggested (beneath the awkwardness of being teenagers who've just met), and if Ino and Akane get along as well as I suspect they will, why not expand that support to more people?
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I refuse to condone any poly ship. Akane + Hazou, fine. They're both missing-nin right now (technically). Hazou + Ino? Less so; many more lupchanzen in the bag.
The number of lupchanzen unleashed from pursuing a poly ship would be enough for Yagura to willingly let us all back into Mist, no questions asked.
The number of lupchanzen unleashed from pursuing a poly ship would be enough for Yagura to willingly let us all back into Mist, no questions asked.
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You dream too small. Let us use the entire cast list as our shipping web! It will be GLORIOUS!
You know, until Hazou says the wrong thing to the wrong person and starts WWIV over shipping.
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Plan Genre Switch: Romantic Comedy just became slightly more plausible.
How difficult would it be to trip into a woman's cleavage at exactly the right time to set up a series of wacky high jinks? Will Iron Nerve help?
How difficult would it be to trip into a woman's cleavage at exactly the right time to set up a series of wacky high jinks? Will Iron Nerve help?
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Not even in the slightestly, insanely difficult, and -SIK- NO.
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One of the final topics I'd bring up in a talk between Akane, Hazou, and Ino is that ninja life is even more perilous for missing-nin like us. There is a very real chance that no one from our team returns from any mission we undertake. If that were to happen, Hazou would like to think in his last momens that he made the two of them happy while he had the chance. That Akane and Ino could rely on each other in such an event so that neither of them has to go through the pain of losing a partner alone like how Hazou saw his mom become isolated after losing her husband. Hana was not completely alone since she had a son, but Hazou does not feel that he should try to give them the same kind of... reminder.
Why fight when life can be so short? Why be so selfish to hoard all of a person's affection to yourself? Why not have a wider support network of romantic partners to help lessen the impact of one lover's loss? It makes more sense rationally to Hazou, but he doesn't understand romance to begin with, so maybe he's missing something 'obvious'. (This proposal would be relying on Hazou's previous method of challenging pre-existing ideas and hitting them with his conviction.)
Cariyaga
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This is not an argument that would work on most people.
I don't recommend trying to make a poly happen. That's a recipe for disaster, and I think everyone here knows it.
Like, maybe if Hazou starts dating Akane, goes away from Konoha for several months, gets comprehensive seduction training from Mari to the point where he is actually good at romantic interaction, the party return to Konoha, Akane has gotten over her inferiority complex, Ino is still interested in Hazou, and we think that Akane and Ino would both actually be happy in such a relationship, then maybe we should go for it.
But right now, Hazou is romantically incompetent (and not smooth in general), the thread isn't sure whether Akane really wants to be in a poly and is relatively sure that such a thing would be bad for her inferiority complex, and Hazou probably wouldn't be able to convince Ino anyway and would most likely just end up hugely insulting the princess of the telepath ninjas.
Please can we just either date Akane, date Ino, or avoid romance like the undefined behaviour that Kagome assures us it is.
Like, maybe if Hazou starts dating Akane, goes away from Konoha for several months, gets comprehensive seduction training from Mari to the point where he is actually good at romantic interaction, the party return to Konoha, Akane has gotten over her inferiority complex, Ino is still interested in Hazou, and we think that Akane and Ino would both actually be happy in such a relationship, then maybe we should go for it.
But right now, Hazou is romantically incompetent (and not smooth in general), the thread isn't sure whether Akane really wants to be in a poly and is relatively sure that such a thing would be bad for her inferiority complex, and Hazou probably wouldn't be able to convince Ino anyway and would most likely just end up hugely insulting the princess of the telepath ninjas.
Please can we just either date Akane, date Ino, or avoid romance like the undefined behaviour that Kagome assures us it is.
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[X] Training Noburi: Sneaky Medic
[X] Training Keiko: Sneaky Wind
[X] Training Hazou: Sneaky MEW
Intelligence 3 [6]
Intelligence 4 [14]
Medicine 4 [18]
Medicine 5 [23]
Medicine 6 [29]
Medicine 7 [36]
Medicine 8 [44]
Medicine 9 [53]
Medicine 10 [63]
Resolve 4 [71]
Resolve 5 [81]
Medical Ninjutsu 7 [88]
Medical Ninjutsu 8 [96]
Medical Ninjutsu 9 [105]
Medical Ninjutsu 10 [115]
Stamina 4 [123]
Stealth 11 [134]
Stealth 12 [146]
Stealth 13 [159]
Stealth 14 [173]
Stealth 15 [188]
Save 30.5XP
Intelligence 4 [14]
Medicine 4 [18]
Medicine 5 [23]
Medicine 6 [29]
Medicine 7 [36]
Medicine 8 [44]
Medicine 9 [53]
Medicine 10 [63]
Resolve 4 [71]
Resolve 5 [81]
Medical Ninjutsu 7 [88]
Medical Ninjutsu 8 [96]
Medical Ninjutsu 9 [105]
Medical Ninjutsu 10 [115]
Stamina 4 [123]
Stealth 11 [134]
Stealth 12 [146]
Stealth 13 [159]
Stealth 14 [173]
Stealth 15 [188]
Save 30.5XP
Stealth 11 [11]
Stealth 12 [23]
Stealth 13 [36]
Stealth 14 [50]
Stealth 15 [65]
Zephyr's Reach 9 [74]
Zephyr's Reach 10 [84]
Save 62XP
Stealth 12 [23]
Stealth 13 [36]
Stealth 14 [50]
Stealth 15 [65]
Zephyr's Reach 9 [74]
Zephyr's Reach 10 [84]
Save 62XP
Stealth 10 [10]
Stealth 11 [21]
Stealth 12 [33]
Stealth 13 [46]
Stealth 14 [60]
MEW 7 [67]
MEW 8 [75]
MEW 9 [84]
MEW 10 [94]
Save 23XP
Stealth 11 [21]
Stealth 12 [33]
Stealth 13 [46]
Stealth 14 [60]
MEW 7 [67]
MEW 8 [75]
MEW 9 [84]
MEW 10 [94]
Save 23XP
Spector29
It Only Gets Worse From Here
Based on various reaction posts, I'm going to do a blind reading of this bit. To be clear, I've only read the first five sentences.
Yeah, I bet going over that with him and the others would've been a treat to read.
oh boy
A generator harvesting the kinetic energy of that head-spinning could power Akane's machines on its own.
OH SHIT BOI WHAT UP
THE VOTES ARE IN: THIS YEAR'S WINNER ON THE BACHELORETTE OR SOME OTHER DATING SHOW THAT HAS WINNERS IS.................?
AFTER THIS COMMERCIAL BREAK!
*a very funny commercial plays that makes me laugh a lot but also aggravates me*
Oh jesus christ Hazo don't drop the ball now.
I'm going to go ahead and say that Keiko's obsession is unhealthy and not a standard to apply to relationships, but she's been making overtures about getting better. I think that's what the QMs mean here, so that's fine if a bit strange.
I'm reminded of the stories my cousins and uncles tell about preparing a grand speech for their proposals, and then forgetting them as soon as they went on one knee.
I think that blush started a little lower than his torso...
Note to self: Convince the plan writers to invent dating-sims, so that Hazo can train up on how to collect romance points.
I'm pretty sure you should've grinded your romance points before that one big guy. That being said, I don't think this will end badly for you [blind reading and all].
Wait, I have a couple songs for this. Pick your favorite, but I have a feeling the second will be more appropriate.
Would you lie with me, and just forget the world?
I don't know where. Confused about how as well. Just know that these things will never change for us at all.
Apparently Akane gets her OPSEC lessons from her sensei/proto-boyfriend.
Doesn't sound that bad. Now to deal with the people who are gonna try and bring in Ino.
Sorry guys, I've fell off the polywagon.
Oh, right, there's still more to read.
Huh, apparently Akane hasn't fallen off yet.
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I know I still have more to read, and I will (because it looks like a hailarious bit with Lee is coming up), but I wanted to get my genuine reactions down. I think that for the sake of both of these kids, Hakane is the way to go. They're just too vulnerable in their own relationship that a poly one could just murder some of these kids' hearts. I don't think I could do that to Akane, not after this chapter.
Yeah, I bet going over that with him and the others would've been a treat to read.
oh boy
A generator harvesting the kinetic energy of that head-spinning could power Akane's machines on its own.
OH SHIT BOI WHAT UP
THE VOTES ARE IN: THIS YEAR'S WINNER ON THE BACHELORETTE OR SOME OTHER DATING SHOW THAT HAS WINNERS IS.................?
AFTER THIS COMMERCIAL BREAK!
*a very funny commercial plays that makes me laugh a lot but also aggravates me*
Oh jesus christ Hazo don't drop the ball now.
I'm going to go ahead and say that Keiko's obsession is unhealthy and not a standard to apply to relationships, but she's been making overtures about getting better. I think that's what the QMs mean here, so that's fine if a bit strange.
I'm reminded of the stories my cousins and uncles tell about preparing a grand speech for their proposals, and then forgetting them as soon as they went on one knee.
I think that blush started a little lower than his torso...
Note to self: Convince the plan writers to invent dating-sims, so that Hazo can train up on how to collect romance points.
I'm pretty sure you should've grinded your romance points before that one big guy. That being said, I don't think this will end badly for you [blind reading and all].
Wait, I have a couple songs for this. Pick your favorite, but I have a feeling the second will be more appropriate.
Would you lie with me, and just forget the world?
I don't know where. Confused about how as well. Just know that these things will never change for us at all.
Apparently Akane gets her OPSEC lessons from her sensei/proto-boyfriend.
Doesn't sound that bad. Now to deal with the people who are gonna try and bring in Ino.
Sorry guys, I've fell off the polywagon.
Oh, right, there's still more to read.
Huh, apparently Akane hasn't fallen off yet.
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I know I still have more to read, and I will (because it looks like a hailarious bit with Lee is coming up), but I wanted to get my genuine reactions down. I think that for the sake of both of these kids, Hakane is the way to go. They're just too vulnerable in their own relationship that a poly one could just murder some of these kids' hearts. I don't think I could do that to Akane, not after this chapter.
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+10,000 Insightful
In fairness, not everyone is willing / able to use CCnJ.
I just checked the sheets. Assuming I've done all the math right and not missed any optimizations, the fight would look like this:Well, I know I would certainly feel a lot better after whooping Hazou's ass in a spar, that smug little emo shit
Akane: Str 7, Sta 7, Taij 22, Youthful Fist of the Mythological Beast That Is Really Strong And Tough 6
Hazou: Str 5, Sta 5, Taij 18, Roki 6
Akane: 22 (base) + 6 (YFofTMTIRSAT) + 6 (boost) = 34
Hazou: 18 (base) + 6 (Roki) + 5 (boost) = 29
(I'm assuming Hazou always wins Deception+Roki on Akane's Deception. Note that he's at 18-effective-18 because his Iron Nerve boost is capped by his max skill level.)
On average Hazou will take a class B wound on the first pass while Akane takes nothing. On the second pass she ties him into a pretzel and punts him into the river.
You have pleased the Batman
As a note, the Great Rebalancing is coming. When we started MfD we had no real idea what power levels should look like -- we chose the 'this is a jounin' thresholds completely arbitrarily. Now that we've seen what the growth curve looks like for "a talented genin constantly out in the field in dangerous situation" we're going to respec everyone else to fit onto something related to that curve. In general their curve will be below yours since they aren't in constant danger, but it will be somewhat more reasonable. Which means, in particular, Mari is going to get a significant bump.
I'll be posting about this in a few minutes.
Definitely the first one. (n=1)
@Spector29 could you please fix the BBCode in that? I'd really like to read it and can't.
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Spector29
It Only Gets Worse From Here
Should be fixed, now.
Defs.
(n=2)
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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@Velorien @eaglejarl
Would it be possible to "queue up" skill training during downtime? That is, spend the time that it'd take to raise a skill ahead of time, but when you don't have the XP, so that later when you have XP, you don't need to spend nearly as long actually training it?
Would it be possible to "queue up" skill training during downtime? That is, spend the time that it'd take to raise a skill ahead of time, but when you don't have the XP, so that later when you have XP, you don't need to spend nearly as long actually training it?
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Shiny, thanks. I enjoyed it; blind readings and unfiltered reactions are always really interesting to me, so please keep doing it.
rkyeun
Cabbitus Maximus
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Hazo passes a romance check.
I CAUSED THIS?
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The great re-balancing: Where Zabuza gets triple the XP.
How long are the careers of ninja usually, anyways? We have several examples of talented but not prodigy ninja in cannon making Jonin by age 15 (Neji, Temari, Kankuro), and this is during mostly peace-time with what doesn't seem to be non-stop fights to the death.
Though those three do seem above average, as of the leaf 11 only Neji made Jonin by shippuden. The rest make only Chunin after about two years of peacetime experience and are still there at the start of shippuden.
So depending on just how perilous our lifestyle has been compared to a regular ninjas we may be anywhere from low to high chunin. That seems about right. I think @Jello_Raptor did some work on figuring a conversion factor?
How long are the careers of ninja usually, anyways? We have several examples of talented but not prodigy ninja in cannon making Jonin by age 15 (Neji, Temari, Kankuro), and this is during mostly peace-time with what doesn't seem to be non-stop fights to the death.
Though those three do seem above average, as of the leaf 11 only Neji made Jonin by shippuden. The rest make only Chunin after about two years of peacetime experience and are still there at the start of shippuden.
So depending on just how perilous our lifestyle has been compared to a regular ninjas we may be anywhere from low to high chunin. That seems about right. I think @Jello_Raptor did some work on figuring a conversion factor?
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Triple? Go big or go home, man.
@Jello_Raptor, can you point me at that work?
More generally: after earlier saying that I'd be posting about the Great Rebalancing I engaged my brain and realized that the thing I was going to post provided too much behind-the-scenes information. Nothing to see here, I'm afraid.
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Is anyone advocating for dating both of them right away? I'd rather continue only flirting with both of them until we have our meeting with Jiraiya tomorrow. After we find out how long we are staying in Konoha we can go from there. I still think we should introduce them to each other, but that's about it.