Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
If we go that way we just store the bodies instead. But I'd prefer diplomacy first.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Oh yeah, wasn't stealth supposed to be lowest party member versus highest enemy?
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
Yeah, this wildly changes the dynamics of stealth. It becomes a nearly useless skill very quickly as the number of team members grows.
We've also got Noodle, and I fully expect the polities of Hot Pot and Steam to pop up at some point.
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
Not to mention Pressure Cooker, the nation Hidden Depths is a part of
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
Could you add a multiple use explosive seal? A directional explosive that can be triggered multiple times. A non directed explosion would just shred the seal. It should also be a requirement for a reactive armor seal, otherwise there's be of limited use and create obvious weak spots.
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- He/Him
So is the entire team, besides Inoue, there to get caught? The rolls only had Kagome, Keiko, and Akane.
zap lunch
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ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
- Location
- Seattle, WA
"If we were spies, we would be looking at military and economic targets, not ways out of town. We are missing-nin, but we really don't want to mess up your lovely town, which not talking things over may put at risk."
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Step between Kagome and them while talking, make a subtle handsign to tell him you'll substitute if you think things are going south and THEN he can blow them up.
e: Ooh, better still, compliment both of their clans while subtly dissing the Irie. This way, we can enamor ourselves to them and give them a new target for their vitriol.
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- He/Him
So many options to parse through, so little time. Mapping out the town was a big mistake, and it's threatening to fubar our whole mission. I can't see an easy way out of this one, so we need to find a way to lose the least.
First off, we cannot allow ourselves to be linked to Inoue. She has an absolutely incredible angle of getting the mayor on our side, and we can't risk jeopardizing that. Right now, they think they got the whole team, and we have to let them continue thinking that. I still have absolutely no idea what the hell anyone on our team is planning because we've never talked about it in text, so I don't know what Inoue is trying to accomplish with the Mayor's help (if she's actually trying to accomplish a goal instead of just following Hazou's plan). If the Mayor can spike Arikada's favored narcotic, that might be worth it.
Secondly, if we're going with the Diplomacy route, then the missing nin thing has to come out. Say that we're missing nin in town to relax, are currently planning escape routes because we're not total morons, and in the area to check out the rumors of Rice Clans hiring missing nin. The fact that there are ninja from two different clans here is either a curse or a blessing. If there was one, we could tempt them with the opportunity to recruit without the other two clans getting their hands on us. Because there's two, we might be able to make them more cautious to act hostile and drive us to the other clan. All of this is going to depend on how unified these town ninja are, and how willing they are to act on clan interests against their rivals. I'm doubtful at their chances of survival if we fight, and we can bring that fact up if they get uppity. So for this to work, we need to convince them that we are independent missing-nin and not village ninja on a sabotage mission.
If we all get the hell out of town, it'll be hard to sneak back in since they'd be on alert, but Inoue could potentially complete this on her own. But let's not push that onto her.
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Alright, on further examination, they are still very competitive against eachother. Playing them off eachother might be relatively simple.
First off, we cannot allow ourselves to be linked to Inoue. She has an absolutely incredible angle of getting the mayor on our side, and we can't risk jeopardizing that. Right now, they think they got the whole team, and we have to let them continue thinking that. I still have absolutely no idea what the hell anyone on our team is planning because we've never talked about it in text, so I don't know what Inoue is trying to accomplish with the Mayor's help (if she's actually trying to accomplish a goal instead of just following Hazou's plan). If the Mayor can spike Arikada's favored narcotic, that might be worth it.
Secondly, if we're going with the Diplomacy route, then the missing nin thing has to come out. Say that we're missing nin in town to relax, are currently planning escape routes because we're not total morons, and in the area to check out the rumors of Rice Clans hiring missing nin. The fact that there are ninja from two different clans here is either a curse or a blessing. If there was one, we could tempt them with the opportunity to recruit without the other two clans getting their hands on us. Because there's two, we might be able to make them more cautious to act hostile and drive us to the other clan. All of this is going to depend on how unified these town ninja are, and how willing they are to act on clan interests against their rivals. I'm doubtful at their chances of survival if we fight, and we can bring that fact up if they get uppity. So for this to work, we need to convince them that we are independent missing-nin and not village ninja on a sabotage mission.
If we all get the hell out of town, it'll be hard to sneak back in since they'd be on alert, but Inoue could potentially complete this on her own. But let's not push that onto her.
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Alright, on further examination, they are still very competitive against eachother. Playing them off eachother might be relatively simple.
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- Yes.
@ChronOblivion There's TWO ninja clans in front of us, but there are THREE ninja clans with presence in the city. What do you think of our odds of playing the two against the third, by claiming Arikada's supposed to be hired by said third? Or just claim that Arikada's supposed to meet her employer here?
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- He/Him
I'm aware of that. I initially thought it might be difficult to get them to work with eachother to spite the third, but claiming we have actual intel of Arikada being hired by the third could work. They may be inclined to let us carry out the assassination. On the other hand, Arikada is meeting someone here before being brought into the fold, so there is someone in this town with one of the clans who is waiting for her. If one of these clans is the actual one trying to hire her, and they are either aware of it themselves or will report this to the person in town who does, we're hosed and the mission is revealed. Things become difficult.
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
You know... Nobby is pretty perfectly suited to keep someone alive even if they damned well should be dead. Medical techniques, intense chakra control and ability to infuse folks with chakra, water techniques (to manipulate blood)... Given time, he could probably preserve someone who would otherwise be dead.
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- ?
Thank you for thinking of me, but I won't be joining in on the planning for a variety of reasons, most of them sad and boring RL stuff.
Wish y'all luck tho.
And this is lousy advice, I know, but if the party is going to default to sneaking and talking as plan A/B they really ought to have stats to match.
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- He/Him
Jesus, this thread is a lot less busy than it usually is in a crisis. We're gonna have our work cut out for us tonight.
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
@eaglejarl @Velorien iirc you guys were still hashing out mechanics for Akane's style a while back - how is it going to be implemented if we wind up in combat this update?
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(On my end it's been three midterms/projects in a row this week keeping me from participating as much
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Yeah, through we've got some solid discussion of th options at least
(On my end it's been three midterms/projects in a row this week keeping me from participating as much
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
I'm currently suffering from a UTI and fever, so I'm not going to be much good, either.@eaglejarl @Velorien iirc you guys were still hashing out mechanics for Akane's style a while back - how is it going to be implemented if we wind up in combat this update?
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Yeah, through we've got some solid discussion of th options at least
(On my end it's been three midterms/projects in a row this week keeping me from participating as much
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
Ridiculously Average Guy
I'm you, but stronger
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[X] Bullshit like you've never bullshit before.
-[X] "Took you guys long enough."
--[X] We figured this was the fastest way to get the local ninja to us. it doubling as infogathering was just killing too birds with one stone.
--[X] We want to talk with reps of all 3 ninja clans, since we have information that says one of them is about to get a massive advantage over the others.
At this point either they erupt into violence, or they have to hear us out.
-[X] "Took you guys long enough."
--[X] We figured this was the fastest way to get the local ninja to us. it doubling as infogathering was just killing too birds with one stone.
--[X] We want to talk with reps of all 3 ninja clans, since we have information that says one of them is about to get a massive advantage over the others.
At this point either they erupt into violence, or they have to hear us out.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
[X] Lore Update....
Lore Update?
I realize you don't like to do these in the middle of the action, eaglejarl, but the RL shenanigans coming between us and making a good plan are not ideal. Alternately, you could cut to Mari and detail what she's up to.
- Location
- Europe
We should at least try before giving up. Having few Lore Update votes is no biggie for dodging the Armageddon Initiative, but we should keep working on a plan with the intent to vote it in just as before. This quest is not going to get anywhere if we just keep voting Lore Updates for every other update.
In the spirit of getting shit done, let us take a look at the 'murder everything' -option.
Team Collateral Damage
I think I'll just quote myself here:
Team Irie + Hinago
Only numbers we have on them are their Awareness rolls '795' and '684'. For those numbers, we are looking at something like Awareness 16 and 14 respectively.
This is just me making an educated guess, but both teams probably have at least one person who can roll 15 non-boosted combat dice, possibly more. Worst case scenario is that they are all equally skilled, best case scenario only one of them is. Lets look at mass combat for both cases.
Simplified combat with no fancy jutsu or explosions.
Team Collateral Damage
Hazou: 13 + 4 roki + 4 boost + 12 MC = 33
Keiko: 20 + 5 boost + 12 MC = 37
Noburi: 14 + 5 boost + 12 MC = 31
Akane: 14 + 4 boost + 12 MC = 30
Kagome: 15 + 4 boost + 12 MC = 31
Mass Combat Bonus: 2 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 3 = 12
Team Irie + Hinago
Irie 1: 15 + 4 boost + 9 = 28
Irie 2: 10 + 3 boost + 9 = 22
Irie 3: 10 + 3 boost + 9 = 22
Irie 4: 10 + 3 boost + 9 = 22
Hinago 1: 15 + 4 boost + 9 = 28
Hinago 2: 10 + 3 boost + 9 = 22
Hinago 3: 10 + 3 boost + 9 = 22
Mass Combat Bonus: 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 1 = 9
Result: 37 vs 28
= TEAM COLLATERAL, FLAWLESS VICTORY
Hazou: 13 + 4 roki + 4 boost + 12 MC = 33
Keiko: 20 + 5 boost + 12 MC = 37
Noburi: 14 + 5 boost + 12 MC = 31
Akane: 14 + 4 boost + 12 MC = 30
Kagome: 15 + 4 boost + 12 MC = 31
Mass Combat Bonus: 2 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 3 = 12
Team Irie + Hinago
Irie 1: 15 + 4 boost + 9 = 28
Irie 2: 10 + 3 boost + 9 = 22
Irie 3: 10 + 3 boost + 9 = 22
Irie 4: 10 + 3 boost + 9 = 22
Hinago 1: 15 + 4 boost + 9 = 28
Hinago 2: 10 + 3 boost + 9 = 22
Hinago 3: 10 + 3 boost + 9 = 22
Mass Combat Bonus: 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 1 = 9
Result: 37 vs 28
= TEAM COLLATERAL, FLAWLESS VICTORY
This scenario would be a complete win for us, everyone on our team would roll higher than the best of the enemy team.
Team Collateral Damage
Hazou: 13 + 4 roki + 4 boost + 12 MC = 33
Keiko: 20 + 5 boost + 12 MC = 37
Noburi: 14 + 5 boost + 12 MC = 31
Akane: 14 + 4 boost + 12 MC = 30
Kagome: 15 + 4 boost + 12 MC = 31
Mass Combat Bonus: 2 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 3 = 12
Team Irie + Hinago
Irie 1: 15 + 4 boost + 14 MC = 33
...times seven...
Mass Combat Bonus: 2 * 7 = 14
Result: 37 vs 33
= TEAM COLLATERAL WIN
Hazou: 13 + 4 roki + 4 boost + 12 MC = 33
Keiko: 20 + 5 boost + 12 MC = 37
Noburi: 14 + 5 boost + 12 MC = 31
Akane: 14 + 4 boost + 12 MC = 30
Kagome: 15 + 4 boost + 12 MC = 31
Mass Combat Bonus: 2 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 3 = 12
Team Irie + Hinago
Irie 1: 15 + 4 boost + 14 MC = 33
...times seven...
Mass Combat Bonus: 2 * 7 = 14
Result: 37 vs 33
= TEAM COLLATERAL WIN
Not so big win anymore, and three of us would roll less than the best of the enemy.
All of that was without the use of explosives or jutsu. Explosives ignore mass combat rules, meaning if Keiko gets the time to draw an explosive kunai we will definitely win. Letting Kagome open up will buy Keiko that time, and it might even end the fight there by taking out most of the enemies.
The problem is, they might also have explosives or comparable stuff, or maybe both teams actually have a jounin (or someone like Keiko) in them. The Irie have four people but the Hinago only three, now what are the chances that missing Hinago has high combat dice and is preparing a deadly AoE in case things go wrong.
The fact is, they got to pick when and where the fight starts. They must have something up their sleeve that gives them the confidence to confront us and possibly start a massive ninja fight in the middle of the town.
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ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
- Location
- Seattle, WA
If we do talk, one option is that we are here to sell explosive seals: Dangerous but useful.