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Just style training for the Goku Style. In general, when you're training I'll find the best teacher you know to find and can get.
No I meant how can we also get the Teacher skill from our mother? Do we learn how to be a teacher using The Power of Learning and do a sub-vote asking for our mother teach us how to teach or something else?

there's a reason I haven't had the option to create new techniques up just yet.
Isn't that what New Tricks is about?

Not insurmountable by any means, but Gohan was even stronger for his first time (1.9 billion), and it didn't help Cell given that he immediately got into a beam struggle after his resurrection, which is a straight power clash.
Only 1.9 billion? Would've expected at least 2 billion considering his feats and the fact that he was Gohan.
 
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I thought that as ways to project ki they would fall under Ki Projection. Did the GM say that they counted as talents?
Yup.
Come to think, I suppose you do. Dead-neutral, but still. It's up on the Character Sheet now. And you can look into Ki Healing. I've mentioned before that it counts as a Ki Talent, so that's the option to pick if you'd like to pursue it. There'll be a choice at the start of the next year.
Is Telekinesis a Ki Talent that anyone can learn, or is it a special ability you're born with?
It's a ki talent that generally develops at a lagging pace compared to your general facility with ki. It can be specifically trained, if you wish.
Are Mind Delve and Telepathy the same Ki Talent/Skill, or are they separate?
 
A master against a completely unlearned fighter would swiftly come to dominate the terms of the fight and from there win in a substantial majority of cases (>70%). They can give you an good chance of victory so long as they're no further behind their opponent than 10% of their opponent's power level (which is also BOD compliant; getting the math for that right was interesting), and an even chance up to 20% disparity. Again, this is assuming all else is equal, including relative skill. Skills are harder to qualify, but a master could perhaps make up a two-step skill distance in their involved skills specifically. Styles are about learning a particular manner of combat over gaining a flat buff, so it gets fuzzier when dealing with skill differences given how much depends on the circumstance of the engagement.

In light of this, I think it would be best to learn Krillin Style first, then Turtle. Krillin Style seems much more Kakara's balliwick than the hyper aggressive Goku style, and unlike Turtle will be useful when we move against the seal.
 
[X] Just enter.
[X] Yes, it'll be useful if you ever fight somebody at your power level. It's inappropriate in this setting, though, so you've left it at home.
[X] Yes.
 
In light of this, I think it would be best to learn Krillin Style first, then Turtle. Krillin Style seems much more Kakara's balliwick than the hyper aggressive Goku style, and unlike Turtle will be useful when we move against the seal.
To be honest, I'd much rather learn Goku style as I don't like Krillin style's maluses.
 
How powerful SSJ4 is compared to the shenanigans in Super is a huge debate on it's own. I am not qualified to make the comparison myself (yet), but I dearly hope Poptart does in fact, make it competitive with Super Saiyan Blue.
I think I can understand this hope that (IF IT EXISTS) SS4 be able to match the god forms, but still, man, we're talking about gods, they're naturally going to be more powerful than any trained being that isn't also a god, their ki is practically undetectable by puny standard beings.
 
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I think I can understand this hope that (IF IT EXISTS) SS4 be able to match the god forms, but still, man, we're talking about gods, they're naturally going to be more powerful than any trained being that isn't also a god, their ki is practically undetectable by puny standard beings
Being a (DBZ) god does not necessarily mean you're more powerful than any trained being that isn't a god. Both Kami (he's just a god because of his job, yes, but so is Beerus), the Kai(s?) and the Kaioshin weren't stronger than the strongest mortal beings in their respective domains, and even Beerus was apparently less powerful than Fat Buu when he sealed Old Kaioshin away 75 million years before the start of Dragon Ball.
 
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I think I can understand this hope that (IF IT EXISTS) SS4 be able to match the god forms, but still, man, we're talking about gods, they're naturally going to be more powerful than any trained being that isn't also a god, their ki is practically undetectable by puny standard beings

Not in DBZ. Kami was outdone by Goku in the 23rd Budokai. King Kai was weaker than Saiyan Saga Vegeta, let alone the threats that came after. The Supreme Kais were all weaker than the Saiyans of the Buu Arc.
 
To be honest, I'd much rather learn Goku style as I don't like Krillin style's maluses.

The problem is that Goku Style doesn't have a response to being put on the back foot. Given Poptart saying it'll take more than two years to master a style, I highly doubt we're going to be able to match Dad with that style when it comes time to move against the seal. Krillin Style however, is built around fighting superior opponents, and will let us synergize with Grandma better.
 
Skills are harder to qualify, but a master could perhaps make up a two-step skill distance in their involved skills specifically.
Does this only apply to combat or does it hold true outside of it?

In light of this, I think it would be best to learn Krillin Style first, then Turtle. Krillin Style seems much more Kakara's balliwick than the hyper aggressive Goku style, and unlike Turtle will be useful when we move against the seal.
Krillin Style doesn't do well against direct confrontation and all of our confrontations have been and probably will be direct. It's a support style and as the most powerful Saiyan alive, support doesn't synergise well with us.

I recommend Demon Style instead. We used Tien Style against Dad despite barely having studied it and that proved sufficient. Demon Style is basically Tien Style except slightly better in all ways but without the ability to use life force. If we're ever put on the back foot, Demon Style will give us the defence we need without strapping us with the Krillin Style's weakness against direct confrontation.

Furthermore, remember who created Demon Style - Piccolo. Piccolo probably built his entire style around killing Goku (at least initially) and would thus be fairly effective against Goku Style.
 
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I recommend Demon Style instead. We used Tien Style against Dad despite barely having studied it and that proved sufficient. Demon Style is basically Tien Style except slightly better in all ways but without the ability to use life force. If we're ever put on the back foot, Demon Style will give us the defence we need without strapping us with the Krillin Style's weakness against direct confrontation.
Demon style is worth crap to us, as we don't know any of its involved techniques, and many of them serve the same role as Kamehameha (that we already know).

If we could only learn one style, I'd actually choose Yamcha style. We already know three of its involved techniques/skills and the rest would actually be useful for us (Wolf Fang Fist would boost our melee capabilities, while the Spirit Ball is a a useful ranged attack that could also counter Berra's instant transmission).

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Goku style would also be good as we know three of its involved techniques and they're all useful for us, as is Kaio-ken (we could use multiform in order to split into Golden Oozaru Kakara and Kaio-ken Kakara) but against Berra it's probably a bad idea, yeah. Eventually we'll probably have to learn it either way due to expectations, though.
 
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[x] Suppress your ki, then enter.
[x] No, you don't foresee needing it.
[x] Yes.


As for Golden Oozaru....



(I am actually posting this while only viewing page 88, got a bit behind on this thread, OH WELL YEEHAW GOLDEN OOZARU BITCHES.)
 
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[X] Yes.
 
So it occurs to me... does Oozaru have more life forcé than the normal form? I mean, one would think that yes given that it focuses on strength and stamina but one never knows. And if that is the case, I am having trouble thinking of something that says F*** YOU! more than a Golden Oozaru Shin Kikoho. I mean, IT kamehameha is awesome and the spirit bomb should be more powerful with so many strong beings in this planet but they don't sound as vicious, you know?
 
If we could only learn one style, I'd actually choose Yamcha style. We already know three of its involved techniques/skills and the rest would actually be useful for us (Wolf Fang Fist would boost our melee capabilities, while the Spirit Ball is a a useful ranged attack that could also counter Berra's instant transmission).

Cogent points, but it suffers from how Dad is also learning it. Which makes me think tenshinhan style would be best.
 
I just realized - Jaffur is going to be SO JEALOUS when we break his Seal.

"So you are telling me that in the space of THREE YEARS the weakling I had to zenkai to her full potential went from a pathetic runt to the mot powerful Saiyan since Vegeta?!"

He'd rage so hard I bet he'd accidentally a SSJ2. Which, considering he hasn't even mastered FPSSJ, having been sealed with SSJ untrained, would probably not make his actual power level all that impressive.

And then we could form House Jii-Chan (Gohan)!
 
I just realized - Jaffur is going to be SO JEALOUS when we break his Seal.

"So you are telling me that in the space of THREE YEARS the weakling I had to zenkai to her full potential went from a pathetic runt to the mot powerful Saiyan since Vegeta?!"

He'd rage so hard I bet he'd accidentally a SSJ2. Which, considering he hasn't even mastered FPSSJ, having been sealed with SSJ untrained, would probably not make his actual power level all that impressive.

And then we could form House Jii-Chan (Gohan)!
wink wink nudge nudge

*traumatic flashback*

Actually, no.
 
I just realized - Jaffur is going to be SO JEALOUS when we break his Seal.

"So you are telling me that in the space of THREE YEARS the weakling I had to zenkai to her full potential went from a pathetic runt to the mot powerful Saiyan since Vegeta?!"

He'd rage so hard I bet he'd accidentally a SSJ2. Which, considering he hasn't even mastered FPSSJ, having been sealed with SSJ untrained, would probably not make his actual power level all that impressive.

And then we could form House Jii-Chan (Gohan)!

I was just thinking the other day that Kakara had Goku'd Jaffur so hard.

History repeats and all that.
 
Cogent points, but it suffers from how Dad is also learning it. Which makes me think tenshinhan style would be best.
Problem with the Tenshinhan style is that I think Kakara would have a penalty to learning the style's strongest techniques (Kikoho and Shin Kikoho), as they're both very lethal.

Also, Berra's just a novice in Yamcha style, and I don't think that's better at countering a style than just studying up on it (he's also a novice in Krillin style, but I don't think that's going to help him either).
 
Problem with the Tenshinhan style is that I think Kakara would have a penalty to learning the style's strongest techniques (Kikoho and Shin Kikoho), as they're both very lethal.

Also, Berra's just a novice in Yamcha style, and I don't think that's better at countering a style than just studying up on it (he's also a novice in Krillin style, but I don't think that's going to help him either).


1. Kikoho and Shin Kikoho were never used to kill anyone in Dragon Ball, mostly Tenshinhan used it to make square holes in the ground, and it failed against Nappa, so it can be used nonlethally.

2. We already know Solar Flare and Multiform, so we're not actually doing poorly on the technique side of things.
 
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