Nah, see the thing is she did it out of hand. This would be through whatever passes for a judicial system here... and something drastic is going to happen to her unless you want to try and stop all the old sayians. At least she'll be alive at the end of the day with getting Sealed.
Dragon Ball: After the End
- Location
- Too Deep in the Midnight Sea
As I jokingly said earlier, a staple of Dragon Ball is how deities and such can be matched (and outmatched) by mortals and can usually be treated just like everybody else. I mean, unless something changed we're massively more powerful than the deity overseeing our entire Galaxy. So Gohan may very well be a god and we've felt his power, but he's Jiichan first and foremost.
Kelirapc
The Bright in your Night
- Location
- Kali-Forni
Whenever I read comments here I feel like I'm the only one who can sort of empathize with Lady Vegeta.
She ends up having her son and herself(?) beat constantly to the point that her son was training himself while he was essentially broken, and had to watch by and do nothing but accept it.
[X] Disinterested. You're not really into religion, overall. It doesn't really matter to you when the real world's right there. As Jiichan said, deal with what's in front of you first. Hokey religions can come later.
She ends up having her son and herself(?) beat constantly to the point that her son was training himself while he was essentially broken, and had to watch by and do nothing but accept it.
[X] Disinterested. You're not really into religion, overall. It doesn't really matter to you when the real world's right there. As Jiichan said, deal with what's in front of you first. Hokey religions can come later.
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[X] Disinterested. You're not really into religion, overall. It doesn't really matter to you when the real world's right there. As Jiichan said, deal with what's in front of you first. Hokey religions can come later.
I'm with Jiichan. That he's a god does not excuse looking away from what's real. It's not what he wants.
I'm with Jiichan. That he's a god does not excuse looking away from what's real. It's not what he wants.
You're not wrong. Many of us recognize this, its just even if she did do this for sympathetic reasons, she'll still did it. She needs to be punished in some way, just like the Senzus. We cannot let them off.
I like my sealing idea for her. She loses all the influence and power she has, but she still gets to be with her family. Or at least her husband, I think we're going to try and work on Jaffar. Hopefully after a year or two they can be a family.
The Senzus... not sure what to do with them. They are in open rebellion, no matter the reason, and that can't stand either.
[X] Curious. You're not sure what you think yet, but you'd like to learn more.
Kairos123
Insomniac Extraordinaire
[X] Skeptical. Worship...Jiichan? He's...he's Jiichan. That's just weird. Gods don't give hugs on-demand.
Eh, this or disinterested. I like this better than the write-in though as I do not want care to disparage the religion in a vote on Kakara's perception of it.
As people have pointed out, regardless of him being a god, there isn't much reason to treat him as anything other than a person. Especially when he doesn't ask for worship or reverence.
Eh, this or disinterested. I like this better than the write-in though as I do not want care to disparage the religion in a vote on Kakara's perception of it.
As people have pointed out, regardless of him being a god, there isn't much reason to treat him as anything other than a person. Especially when he doesn't ask for worship or reverence.
ChildishChimera
A umbran summon
- Location
- New York
[X] Skeptical. Worship...Jiichan? He's...he's Jiichan. That's just weird. Gods don't give hugs on-demand.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Eh? What write-in?
Kairos123
Insomniac Extraordinaire
Oh, I guess disinterested is one of the given choices. Didn't notice.
On a completely unrelated note, do we have a relationship with Carrick Balor or does it take longer than a year to develop one with the crazy old man? Is Ki healing something we can look into?
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Come to think, I suppose you do. Dead-neutral, but still. It's up on the Character Sheet now. And you can look into Ki Healing. I've mentioned before that it counts as a Ki Talent, so that's the option to pick if you'd like to pursue it. There'll be a choice at the start of the next year.
Being skeptical about worshipping Gohan doesn't necessarily mean alienating the ancestor cult, though? I mean, unless we either publicly declare ourself a member (which would no doubt alienate other people) or publicly declare it a bunch of nonsense, I don't our beliefs about the Ancestor Cult is going to change the members opinions of us.
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It's a vote for a personal attitude of, "You're closely held faith is patently absurd, and I know that due to a more profound divine revelation and insight than any believer has ever achieved."
She may be diplomatic enough not to express it, but it is not exactly conducive to a healthy relationship.
Worse, it's in direct contradiction of the simple fact that her ancestor and personal patron is a literal god and that the distinction of divinity does have very real effects in this universe. Binding her to an attitude which is objectively just plain wrong isn't a good idea either.
It's not objectively wrong, though? Her attitude isn't that he isn't a god, it's that worshipping him seems kinda silly (which is absolutely true, as I doubt he's able to interfere in the mortal world due to being dead). I'll also note that while gods do exist in DBZ, worshipping them is pointless and none of them have ever expressed a desire to be worshipped. Divinity doesn't bestow any wisdom or moral authority (see Beerus or East Kaioshin), they can't hear prayers and they usually don't interfere in mortal affairs either way.
The way it is written she is denying his godhood itself. -because he gives hugs. It doesn't even address worship or dogma. She is refusing to believe the very fact that he is a god.
I can certainly understand not buying into a particular religion based around the divinity, but he is divine. That's a big deal, especially for her. If nothing else, divinity was the key to the greatest level of power achieved in the franchise. Considering that whatever the great evil that is the ultimate big bad tanked a Super-Saiyan God kamikaze, this is not healthy.
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
Then how about you put your money where your mouth is and vote for an option that pushes Kakara to not be so Skeptical or Disinterested?
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
[X] Skeptical. Worship...Jiichan? He's...he's Jiichan. That's just weird. Gods don't give hugs on-demand.
That said, the Universe would be a much nicer place if Gods DID give hugs on demand.
Also, next time we sleep we can just ASK Jiichan what he thinks about the ancestor cult, and if he wants us to join.
I wonder if all Saiyan Seers go to visit the Gods when they sleep...
That said, the Universe would be a much nicer place if Gods DID give hugs on demand.
Also, next time we sleep we can just ASK Jiichan what he thinks about the ancestor cult, and if he wants us to join.
I wonder if all Saiyan Seers go to visit the Gods when they sleep...
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I'll jump in here to clarify: she's not denying his divinity, just saying in context that she believes a man who hugs her and reassures her that, no matter what, somebody loves her, every time they meet, is a bit of a silly figure for her to feel religious awe for. Her skepticism in this option is rooted in a incapability to create the personal distance needed to feel religious awe for a beloved grandfather. In this option, Kakara decides that the two don't mesh in her mind, and chooses the Jiichan aspect. She simply lacks the vocabulary to articulate it as she does here.
In the accepting option, she picks the opposite choice.
Back off a little there. Some people are in it for the discussion, not the votes. Let 'em. I certainly don't mind.