Just a fair warning: If you don't at least acknowledge the points near the end in terms of what what we're actually concerned with and what we are debating, I am not going to bother wasting my time responding to you again. Hell, good odds I don't bother in either case; I have too many things to do and I don't want to waste even more of my time arguing over what is in the end a small point in a fictional game.
There's no knock-down counter, but your tabloid article is a pretty bad source compared to something written by the actual guy it quotes.
Are you done being reductionist and clinging onto your one-sentence refutation?
It merely gives more complexity to the issue that homework becomes more and more important as time goes on. Inversely related to age, essentially. This is also only the direct benefits on a year-to-year basis. I've yet to see a well controlled meta-analysis on no homework through one's entire educational career (and no outside practice that could substitute as homework, since that's what is actually happening here). For obvious reasons, that kind of study is hard to find a significant sample size for or to control for external variables properly.
True, but I don't consider "Navel gazing on why you're so driven" to be a paramount priority that contributes to the whole affair. Telepathy, maybe. Ki Manipulation and other stuff? At most tangentially, given our problem right now is seer training and the ability to mind project.
Like I said, it's not comprehensive, just the first few results that could explain some of the things we're talking about here with evidence from recent studies and meta-analysis.
Pyschology is ridiculously complex, we are not going to come up with an easy answer that solves our argument in one fell swoop because there are always going to be counter examples or cases where results do not apply. You are correct in that we could go endlessly back and forth, but the weight of the evidence is that homework
does have at least a small positive effect, the question is how and why and to what degree.
No, we're talking about the justification for our worry here. No, we didn't say "Oh, there is a skill that she's not going to learn that is explicit and part of the system!".
We're giving foundation for the narrative penalties the GM talks about. Narrative penalties that can apply year to year, things that may make rolls harder because of difficulties.
And Jolly for you! Do you have any training in education or psychology? I don't care about your training in medicine, I believe you! If I want to know about psychoactive pharmaceuticals I'll send you a PM, but that gives you barely any credibility in the actual topic of education. I say barely, because you at least know how to construct a proper argument.
Problematically for you, you regurgitated articles without an ounce of deep thought. Just "does this given evidence that the immediate consequences are not too bad!", which was never in dispute.
Also known as "Practicing is other manners".
You know, the thing that Kakara isn't going to do because the whole damn point is not spending time on school. Yes, homework's effect is reduced when you do other things to learn. Shock.
Already covered this in several cases. The problem is not just what it does at the time, it's the long term benefits seen in several other areas. I am not disputing that the effect of homework is minimal at the elementary level when controlled for other variables, I am saying that through a combination of teaching the skills to manage homework in the first place, establishing effective habits, and such it can have knock on effects down the road. If I had any time or desire to get into expanding this debate and wasting my time arguing with a person who has missed the entire point twice in a row (and the fact that this is not the problem we are actually concerned with, just a small side debate on
why the academic consequences could happen!), I would start going into papers on long term learning, retention over time, and effective ways of learning.
Stuff like
this paper. No explicit support for either side, but strong evidence that active practice (which Kakara is not going to do) is one of the best ways to learn.
Unless, you know, she rolls terribly.
Beyond that, this isn't
the consequence most of us are worried about. You seem to have missed that.
Let me repeat.
This is not the consequence most of us are worried about. Even for myself, it's at best a minor thing that annoys me from a professional level and a possible waste of future actions.
The thing we are actually concerned with is the attention drawing aspect to this roll, one that was essentially a needless increase in risk when there were several non-essential components of the plan that passed.
Another reason why I doubt I will respond again; if we had not been running a conspiracy that slacking threatened, I would not have commented or voted on this in the first place.
