KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
Honestly, this is fine by me. I'd find "power up by Masque abuse" kind of boring.
Dragon Ball: After the End
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Well, we didn't get to vote them in.
Much less different than one optimized for flying, I think. Regardless, it's on the list.
Only if we don't win the rematch. We don't know what would happen if we just let Dandeer die in order to get away from Yammar, after all.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
We already lost that vote Horatio. It closed when the interlude went up.
- Location
- Here and there
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Ok, so I haven't been paying the closest attention, but do you have to have part of a race in your blood to create a masque of them? If not, what would happen/could we create a masque with God Ki?
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
I thought that was a decision to hold off in favor of the Interlude.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
O...kay? I wasn't planning to bring it up until the interlude was over, anyway.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
It would certainly revert when they were half Saiyan again, but the gains might still be there in Masque when they go back, if said gains are possible. Or they might not. I'm not sure how we could even leverage it if it did reset, but it would be good to know if it did. You can't think of cool tricks if you don't know the weird edge cases!
Exploiting loopholes is always fun! Exploiting loopholes in ways you can share is even more fun! (In-universe loopholes that is, not exploiting the mechanics at the expense of in-universe sense.) EDIT: This was meant to be humorous, and It's certainly possible you disagree. I just happen to love being able to take a clever idea using different interacting rules/restrictions and making an advantage out of it - like a more productive version of Oddball.
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- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Please don't bring it up at that time, either. See...
Poptart already held this vote. We lost. Even if you look at me/not me votes and ignore the 'Goku' vote, as I might do were I in Poptart's shoes, "not me" got 18 votes to "me's" 14.
It's over. We lost, buddy. I want to get on with my life.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
For one thing, nobody has ever, to Kakara's knowledge, ever managed to get their Masque to their base cap, let alone past. The whole question is a bit academic.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Oh, interesting! I guess I assumed Exceptional Masque affinity would be 100%, but taking Saiyan Masque's recent increase I guess a single step up would only be 90%, huh.
We really ought to get it up to Exceptional so it qualifies for unlocking Elite Talents. Actually, we should probably be trying to do that with everything on principle.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
[X] You're not much one for blasts, but Freeza must know that too, by now. How furious would he be if blasting was all you decided to do right now? Make him dance. (x2 vote weighting.)
[X] Get in there and kill him immediately. Your son is still here.
Non-Canon Omake: Time Travel Is Bullshit!
- Location
- Peterborough, NH, USA
AN: Definitely, definitely non-canon. Inspired by Underverse over on Youtube to some degree.
Just as Kakara grabbed Dandeer, a strange sound, almost like whirring but fundamentally off in some way, rang out, a strange harmony with two other, identical sounds playing out. "What is that?" Yammar asked, even as he raised an arm to blast Kakara if she removed herself from Dandeer, either to try and heal her comrades or to maneuver around him.
A trio of pods appeared, and the doors burst open before they'd landed. The first two automatically fired jets to cushion their fall, but the third didn't, landing with a crash that caused obvious damage, though Kakara couldn't gauge what effect that might have on it's ability to return to their origin point. From each pod emerged... herself? No, these other Kakaras were at least a year older, maybe even two or three. It must have been a Future Trunks situation. Though, with three different versions of her, it was likely quite a bit more complicated. She could practically hear the Kai of Time screaming her head off.
The leftmost and central ones were nearly identical, if somewhat sickly-looking, but the one on the right looked... off. She was cold, and hard, and... there was something in her eyes as they landed on Dandeer that frightened Kakara on an instinctual level, and disturbed her because it was essentially her own face making that expression. She realized she hadn't looked in a mirror since she'd permanently regained the memory of what Dandeer had done to her fellow Sorcerers. That was what completed the circuit in her mind.
In the instant where the other two time travelers were surprised by their compatriots, the third Kakara simply pulled up a hand, extended a finger at Dandeer and fired- was that the Death Beam?! Kakara (she'd need to differentiate the four of them in her thoughts somehow) did something she was certain she'd regret later, and threw Dandeer to Yammar, while throwing up a shield with her own KI. Since the attack was meant to core someone whose Powerlevel was less than 1% of Kakara Prime's, the attack sputtered and died without making any headway.
"Huh. I'd forgotten how stubborn I was about that whole 'never kill anyone' thing." The attempted murderer spoke for the first time, a sort of dull annoyance at her attempt on another's life being thwarted radiating from her QI. Prime was curious at how the other 3 Kakaras didn't seem to have any noticeable Powerlevel advantage on her. If anything, the other two were weaker than Prime and the Murderer. What exactly happened there? Sure they couldn't unlock new transformations without popping the wards, but it seemed odd that they'd grown any weaker.
"The hell are you doing?!" The central Kakara demanded, as what seemed to be strings of QI were spun off of her aura. The leftmost merely got into a more advanced Tien Style stance than Kakara herself had ever used.
"Most of our problems stem from Dandeer. Killing her is the most practical solution." Murderer remarked, unruffled. "Though I'll admit to personal reasons too." A glimmer of madness entered Murderer's eyes, and was extinguished just as quickly, visibly unnerving all other versions of her. Meanwhile, Yammar was moving to the far end of the hall with Dandeer. Prime was unconcerned about that. The time-travelers were blocking the exit to the hall, and Murderer presumably would rather blow up the entrance than let Dandeer escape.
"The smart thing and the right thing aren't always the same thing." Prime muttered.
"You know, Dazarel's been on Dandeer's side. Should have killed him too, which I will as soon as I'm done here. This whole mess could have been avoided if you'd just let Jaffur kill her." Murderer stated, before raising her other hand to fling a Death Wave at Strings and the other Kakara.
Strings moved out of the way, her flight a little sloppy, as if her body wasn't moving the way she expected, but the silent Kakara didn't move. The reason became obvious when the world's coloration in a ten meter radius briefly inverted, and the section of the Death Wave that fell into that range stopped, and then was flung back at Murderer. Murderer's surprised expression lasted only an instant, before she calmly canceled out the blast with a focused one of her own, and did the same with the blasts Yammar, Prime, and Strings had taken the opportunity to launch at her.
"Shouldn't have sent an unconcentrated blast at me like that. Between it basically being my own QI and that, you were practically giving it to me." Thief smirked.
The realization hit the other three at the same time. """The Genki Dama?"""
"...You know, I really should've expected you all to get that, being me." Thief admitted bashfully.
"I'll have to look into that later, but for now, I don't think that's going to help you survive getting punched in the face until your face stops looking like a face." Murderer threatened calmly.
"Well, that is something Frieza Stylists excel at. Guessing you were expecting taking Dandeer down a peg to cancel out the stigma there?" Strings asked.
"Giving a damn about what people thought instead of just ripping Dandeer's tail off and dumping her in a cell while she was incapacitated was a a mistake. One I do not intend to repeat." Murderer explained.
"'Better to ask forgiveness than permission' huh? I can see where you got that idea." Thief admitted.
"Can we focus on keeping a future version of me from killing Dandeer please?" Prime asked.
"Yeah, sorry, I'm just surprised." Strings said, firing a stream of blasts that Murderer was still flinging aside without any qualm, even with Prime and Thief joining in. "I was actually aiming for right after Jaffur was Unsealed, but I guess that's just what happens when you don't test the time machine before you use it."
"Uh, hey guys, how long do you suppose it's gonna be before she does something nutty?" Theief asked. "I mean she is one of us and she's in a bad position so-" her speech screeched to a halt as Murderer dived into the ground.
"What's she planning? I mean, it's not like she can hit any of us without warning from down there. Stone doesn't muffle our kind of QI from this distance." Prime's eyes widened as Murderer went past the three of them. "She's going for Dandeer!" She announced to the others, just in case Yammar could hear, as she flew over to Dandeer's body, and while Strings fired Heal Beams at the Senzus, Dandelor, and Jaffur as she passed, Thief did her best to keep up with Prime. Her slightly lower Powerlevel, maybe 10% lower, hindered her immensely even over the short distance to where Yammar was guarding the prone Sorceress.
Yammar, as luck would have it, had hears her, and he picked Dandeer up and blasted the ground beneath them just as Murderer neared their location. The QI signature banked sharply, before emerging between the two pairs. "I know that we're all persistent morons, so let me be clear. The Misfits died because of her in my timeline, because of my high-and-mighty pacifism. So I won't stop until she's dead." Murderer stated bluntly, and blasted Yammar in the face while Thief and Prime blanched in shock at that declaration, while he was grabbing at his ruined eyes, Murderer was aiming an attack at Dandeer. Reacting on instinct, Prime used Instant Transmission to interpose herself and the beam, but this time it was Death Cannon, which did break through Prime's guard and leave her a bloody mess. As she fell backwards, she saw Murderer punch Thief in the gut hard enough to make her vomit blood.
The last thing Prime saw was Murderer destroying a wave of QI strings Strings had sent at her from all directions, as Jaffur, battered as he was, attacked her.
Future Kakara shook off the Vision. "Okay, time travel's a bad idea, got it. Time for Plan B."
AN: The basic difference between these three time travelers is that Thief came back from two years in the future, Strings came back from one year in the future, and Murderer came back from three years in the future. The amount of time they spent without a body varied as well, but that's the big thing that changed between the three timelines. The Thief spent less time as a Shade than Strings, and so had more time to practice stealing people's QI blasts and sending them back. Strings was forced to spend most of her year as a Shade before they got her body back in a raid, so she spent most of her time learning the string-thing so she could hard-counter Dandeer's mind control. Doesn't matter whose side you're on if you're body does what Kakara says anyway.
Murderer got her body back near the end of two years, and by that point some seriously bad shit happened in her timeline, resulting in her Hopeful Trait going poof, which made her Protector Trait mutate into something a lot more... Absolute Utilitarian. The 'kill someone to save ten people' sort of Utilitarian. Hence the Frieza Style and decided lack of reaction to the idea of killing Dandeer, since Dandeer was somewhat responsible for the bad things happening. Murderer has placed most of the blame on Dandeer and herself rather than the ones who actually pushed the button, which also contributes to her lack of care for either her past self (who she intended to pull a Kill And Replace on since Past Kakara has already committed all the 'crimes' that led to that series of events) or her other selves, who she'd probably just leave alone if they let her thing, but clearly retained her past self's values.
Time Travel Is Bullshit!
Just as Kakara grabbed Dandeer, a strange sound, almost like whirring but fundamentally off in some way, rang out, a strange harmony with two other, identical sounds playing out. "What is that?" Yammar asked, even as he raised an arm to blast Kakara if she removed herself from Dandeer, either to try and heal her comrades or to maneuver around him.
A trio of pods appeared, and the doors burst open before they'd landed. The first two automatically fired jets to cushion their fall, but the third didn't, landing with a crash that caused obvious damage, though Kakara couldn't gauge what effect that might have on it's ability to return to their origin point. From each pod emerged... herself? No, these other Kakaras were at least a year older, maybe even two or three. It must have been a Future Trunks situation. Though, with three different versions of her, it was likely quite a bit more complicated. She could practically hear the Kai of Time screaming her head off.
The leftmost and central ones were nearly identical, if somewhat sickly-looking, but the one on the right looked... off. She was cold, and hard, and... there was something in her eyes as they landed on Dandeer that frightened Kakara on an instinctual level, and disturbed her because it was essentially her own face making that expression. She realized she hadn't looked in a mirror since she'd permanently regained the memory of what Dandeer had done to her fellow Sorcerers. That was what completed the circuit in her mind.
In the instant where the other two time travelers were surprised by their compatriots, the third Kakara simply pulled up a hand, extended a finger at Dandeer and fired- was that the Death Beam?! Kakara (she'd need to differentiate the four of them in her thoughts somehow) did something she was certain she'd regret later, and threw Dandeer to Yammar, while throwing up a shield with her own KI. Since the attack was meant to core someone whose Powerlevel was less than 1% of Kakara Prime's, the attack sputtered and died without making any headway.
"Huh. I'd forgotten how stubborn I was about that whole 'never kill anyone' thing." The attempted murderer spoke for the first time, a sort of dull annoyance at her attempt on another's life being thwarted radiating from her QI. Prime was curious at how the other 3 Kakaras didn't seem to have any noticeable Powerlevel advantage on her. If anything, the other two were weaker than Prime and the Murderer. What exactly happened there? Sure they couldn't unlock new transformations without popping the wards, but it seemed odd that they'd grown any weaker.
"The hell are you doing?!" The central Kakara demanded, as what seemed to be strings of QI were spun off of her aura. The leftmost merely got into a more advanced Tien Style stance than Kakara herself had ever used.
"Most of our problems stem from Dandeer. Killing her is the most practical solution." Murderer remarked, unruffled. "Though I'll admit to personal reasons too." A glimmer of madness entered Murderer's eyes, and was extinguished just as quickly, visibly unnerving all other versions of her. Meanwhile, Yammar was moving to the far end of the hall with Dandeer. Prime was unconcerned about that. The time-travelers were blocking the exit to the hall, and Murderer presumably would rather blow up the entrance than let Dandeer escape.
"The smart thing and the right thing aren't always the same thing." Prime muttered.
"You know, Dazarel's been on Dandeer's side. Should have killed him too, which I will as soon as I'm done here. This whole mess could have been avoided if you'd just let Jaffur kill her." Murderer stated, before raising her other hand to fling a Death Wave at Strings and the other Kakara.
Strings moved out of the way, her flight a little sloppy, as if her body wasn't moving the way she expected, but the silent Kakara didn't move. The reason became obvious when the world's coloration in a ten meter radius briefly inverted, and the section of the Death Wave that fell into that range stopped, and then was flung back at Murderer. Murderer's surprised expression lasted only an instant, before she calmly canceled out the blast with a focused one of her own, and did the same with the blasts Yammar, Prime, and Strings had taken the opportunity to launch at her.
"Shouldn't have sent an unconcentrated blast at me like that. Between it basically being my own QI and that, you were practically giving it to me." Thief smirked.
The realization hit the other three at the same time. """The Genki Dama?"""
"...You know, I really should've expected you all to get that, being me." Thief admitted bashfully.
"I'll have to look into that later, but for now, I don't think that's going to help you survive getting punched in the face until your face stops looking like a face." Murderer threatened calmly.
"Well, that is something Frieza Stylists excel at. Guessing you were expecting taking Dandeer down a peg to cancel out the stigma there?" Strings asked.
"Giving a damn about what people thought instead of just ripping Dandeer's tail off and dumping her in a cell while she was incapacitated was a a mistake. One I do not intend to repeat." Murderer explained.
"'Better to ask forgiveness than permission' huh? I can see where you got that idea." Thief admitted.
"Can we focus on keeping a future version of me from killing Dandeer please?" Prime asked.
"Yeah, sorry, I'm just surprised." Strings said, firing a stream of blasts that Murderer was still flinging aside without any qualm, even with Prime and Thief joining in. "I was actually aiming for right after Jaffur was Unsealed, but I guess that's just what happens when you don't test the time machine before you use it."
"Uh, hey guys, how long do you suppose it's gonna be before she does something nutty?" Theief asked. "I mean she is one of us and she's in a bad position so-" her speech screeched to a halt as Murderer dived into the ground.
"What's she planning? I mean, it's not like she can hit any of us without warning from down there. Stone doesn't muffle our kind of QI from this distance." Prime's eyes widened as Murderer went past the three of them. "She's going for Dandeer!" She announced to the others, just in case Yammar could hear, as she flew over to Dandeer's body, and while Strings fired Heal Beams at the Senzus, Dandelor, and Jaffur as she passed, Thief did her best to keep up with Prime. Her slightly lower Powerlevel, maybe 10% lower, hindered her immensely even over the short distance to where Yammar was guarding the prone Sorceress.
Yammar, as luck would have it, had hears her, and he picked Dandeer up and blasted the ground beneath them just as Murderer neared their location. The QI signature banked sharply, before emerging between the two pairs. "I know that we're all persistent morons, so let me be clear. The Misfits died because of her in my timeline, because of my high-and-mighty pacifism. So I won't stop until she's dead." Murderer stated bluntly, and blasted Yammar in the face while Thief and Prime blanched in shock at that declaration, while he was grabbing at his ruined eyes, Murderer was aiming an attack at Dandeer. Reacting on instinct, Prime used Instant Transmission to interpose herself and the beam, but this time it was Death Cannon, which did break through Prime's guard and leave her a bloody mess. As she fell backwards, she saw Murderer punch Thief in the gut hard enough to make her vomit blood.
The last thing Prime saw was Murderer destroying a wave of QI strings Strings had sent at her from all directions, as Jaffur, battered as he was, attacked her.
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Future Kakara shook off the Vision. "Okay, time travel's a bad idea, got it. Time for Plan B."
AN: The basic difference between these three time travelers is that Thief came back from two years in the future, Strings came back from one year in the future, and Murderer came back from three years in the future. The amount of time they spent without a body varied as well, but that's the big thing that changed between the three timelines. The Thief spent less time as a Shade than Strings, and so had more time to practice stealing people's QI blasts and sending them back. Strings was forced to spend most of her year as a Shade before they got her body back in a raid, so she spent most of her time learning the string-thing so she could hard-counter Dandeer's mind control. Doesn't matter whose side you're on if you're body does what Kakara says anyway.
Murderer got her body back near the end of two years, and by that point some seriously bad shit happened in her timeline, resulting in her Hopeful Trait going poof, which made her Protector Trait mutate into something a lot more... Absolute Utilitarian. The 'kill someone to save ten people' sort of Utilitarian. Hence the Frieza Style and decided lack of reaction to the idea of killing Dandeer, since Dandeer was somewhat responsible for the bad things happening. Murderer has placed most of the blame on Dandeer and herself rather than the ones who actually pushed the button, which also contributes to her lack of care for either her past self (who she intended to pull a Kill And Replace on since Past Kakara has already committed all the 'crimes' that led to that series of events) or her other selves, who she'd probably just leave alone if they let her thing, but clearly retained her past self's values.
Non-Canon Omake: A Thousand Thousand Mirrors, Mirrored (Negaverse)
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
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- Mid-Atlantic
Hmmm, now I want to write my own alternate version of this playing out. I've been trying to think of the smallest possible change on the NPCs' part, the smallest one that could have butterflied the fight without recriminations about players choosing differently.
And I think I've narrowed it down to Dandeer being very lucky she didn't take just one extra layer of eminently sensible precautions.
And I think I've narrowed it down to Dandeer being very lucky she didn't take just one extra layer of eminently sensible precautions.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
Okay, gotta respect the effort you put into that omake, @QTesseract.
- Location
- Here and there
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I'm on mobile, so I can only make out the faintest hint of that things true power...But fucking wow that looks good.A Thousand Thousand Mirrors, Mirrored (Negaverse)
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Muffin Button ⬤
InsaneGameTheorist
StrudelGenius said: ↑ Update!
Holy Shit! Never in my life have I been so happy we failed a roll, much less that we failed multiple easy rolls in quick succession.Muffin Button can solve every problem! Yes, even that one. Muffin Button InsaneGameTheorist, Yesterday at 12:16 AM Report #63201 + Quote Reply
Yamcha ga Shinda! ⬤
Blue Marble
Wow. When Strudel mentioned being under mind control would debuff our deception, I thought they meant we might be able to get Apra to notice something was wrong, not that this was in the cards. If you expect the unexpected, does the expected become unexpected? Yamcha ga Shinda! Blue Marble, Yesterday at 12:17 AM Report #63202 + Quote Reply
Chaotic Good ⬤
StrudelGenius
Great Singingman said: ↑ Wow. When Strudel mentioned being under mind control would debuff our deception, I thought they meant we might be able to get Apra to notice something was wrong, not that this was in the cards.
So did I, honestly. I was just running through the scenarios, though, and this came up as what Kakara would have picked. She made a gamble based on her personality traits, and the dice made it pay for itself in a big way.My Quest: Dragon Ball: Post the Calamity: Centuries after an mysterious adversary wiped out the Z Fighters and Earth, the final, hidden remnant struggles to survive. Chaotic Good StrudelGenius, Yesterday at 12:17 AM Report #63203 + Quote Reply
Super Duper Saiyan ⬤
Acier
What. The. Fuck. Since when are socials that bullshit? Forget fighting, forget mastering a fourth style, we should never have neglected these skills. Imagine if when Dandeer first mind controlled us, we just talked her out of it! Or the massacre? Why take mental health debuffs for surpressing a rebellion when you can just roll deceit and convince them that they aren't actually super saiyans! Super Duper Saiyan Acier, Yesterday at 12:19 AM Report #63204 + Quote Reply
Yamcha ga Shinda! ⬤
Blue Marble
Acier said: ↑ What. The. Fuck. Since when are socials that bullshit? Forget fighting,
forget mastering a fourth style, we should never have neglected these skills. Imagine if when Dandeer first mind controlled us, we just talked her out of it! Or the massacre? Why take mental health debuffs for suppressing a rebellion when you can just roll deceit and convince them that they aren't actually super saiyans!
Calm down Acier. Strudel mentioned that this required some really favorable rolls; we aren't helpless against this kind of thingIf you expect the unexpected, does the expected become unexpected? Yamcha ga Shinda! Blue Marble, Yesterday at 12:24 AM Report #63205 + Quote Reply
Super Duper Saiyan ⬤
Acier
I'm not mad. This is a good result for us, as far as I can tell. I didn't want to be mind controlled. I just wish we had some inkling that these skills were this insanely overpowered, so we hadn't wasted our time becoming on of the exiles' top fighters. Super Duper Saiyan Acier, Yesterday at 12:26 AM Report #63206 + Quote Reply
I am the hype ⬤
BoxofHippos
Honestly, if you think about it we should have known Kakara would be insane at socials. Remember when we examined her and got a partial look at her chatachter sheet a few years back? She's a pacifist, which is basically a crippling debuff for us saiyans, as her foundational trait. It basically had to come with some extreme buff to the social stats to make up for it. Come to think of it, that's probably also why she can use the spirit bomb; it seems to require a telepathy / communications check to gather the ki. Go beyond even further beyond. I am the hype BoxofHippos, Yesterday at 12:31 AM Report #63207 + Quote Reply
Chaotic Good ⬤
StrudelGenius
I'm not going to give OOC info on Kakara's traits, but she's spent way more of her focus on her socials than you guys ever have. She's friends with Papata Fren for a reason, you know. She wouldn't have been capable of anywhere near this much if you weren't under the mind whammy, but she's also pretty good about not making enemies of the other super saiyans. My Quest: Dragon Ball: Post the Calamity: Centuries after an mysterious adversary wiped out the Z Fighters and Earth, the final, hidden remnant struggles to survive. Chaotic Good StrudelGenius, Yesterday at 12:33 AM Report #63208 + Quote Reply
Grab a Bowl! ⬤
Song Goku
StrudelGenius said: ↑ I'm not going to give OOC info on Kakara's traits, but she's spent way more of her focus on her socials than you guys ever have. She's friends with Papata Fren for a reason, you know. She wouldn't have been capable of anywhere near this much if you weren't under the mind whammy, but she's also pretty good about not making enemies of the other super saiyans.
She's friends with Papata Fren? That explains a lot, honestly.Unfortunately, Song Oku doesn't look very good. Grab a Bowl! Song Goku, Yesterday at 12:35 AM Report #63209 + Quote Reply
Yamcha ga Shinda! ⬤
Blue Marble
At a guess, pacifist gives some serious mental health buffs, in addition to the social buffs she showcased here / Genki Dama / Church Convention. Not only can Kakara effectively interact with people, she also seems to be much less monofocused and just generally more creative. Even before she talked us down, there was her using the power ball on Vegeta Vegeta and Berra (That shit was hilarious), or when she picked Dandeer up as a weapon. Probably some kind of buff to creative choices / picking the third option as well as missing most of Saiyan Society's disadvantages. Besides, with a name like Kakara, how could she be anything but a major character? If you expect the unexpected, does the expected become unexpected? Yamcha ga Shinda! Blue Marble, Yesterday at 12:40 AM Report #63210 + Quote Reply
100% Human ⬤
Imetri
You're the best, StrudelGenius. This is way better than us being able to write omakes for negative roll bonuses.If we had just lost the fight, we would have missed this gloriousness. Greetings, fellow organics. I too enjoy sleep and consumption of carbon compounds. 100% Human Imetri, Yesterday at 12:45 AM Report #63201 + Quote Reply
Ignore the name
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QwikChat
I'm going to buck the trend here. Honestly, this felt kinda cheap. Like, I was somewhat annoyed when we got fucked over by Dandeer, but I knew it was completely fair and we lost due to our own screwups. Now, though, this feels like Kakara was introduced just to be our "get out of jail free" card against Dandeer. It's like we didn't earn wthis victory, and Studel just handed it to us on a silver platter. What agency did we have in this resolution anyway, once we blew our willpower check to ask Kakara to charge Spirit Saiyan before arriving / to avoid going straight after Dandeer and then bragging. She was supposed to be our major arc villain, btu she got handled by factors outside our control for reasons we didn't effect. To find what lies beyond speed. Ignore the name
QwikChat, Yesterday at 12:53 AM Report#63202 + Quote Reply
Chaotic Good ⬤
StrudelGenius
QwikChat said: ↑ I'm going to buck the trend here. Honestly, this felt kinda cheap. Like, I was somewhat annoyed when we got fucked over by Dandeer, but I knew it was completely fair and we lost due to our own screwups. Now, though, this feels like Kakara was introduced just to be our "get out of jail free" card against Dandeer. It's like we didn't earn wthis victory, and Strudel just handed it to us on a silver platter. What agency did we have in this resolution anyway, once we blew our willpower check to ask Kakara to charge Spirit Saiyan before arriving / to avoid going straight after Dandeer and then bragging. She was supposed to be our major arc
villain, but she got handled by factors outside our control for reasons we didn't effect.
Let me assure you that Kakara was not introduced to save you from Dandeer. Honestly, I never "intended" Dandeer to be a major opponent at all; I had plans for it, but I completely expected you to surprise me like you did with house Talt and completely trivialize it.
Regardless, Kakara almost allied with Dandeer; it was touch and go for a few updates there, even after she made her incredible roll to oppose the sealing. Dandeer thought of her as a Savior, was friends with her beloved father, and like Kakara had something of a pacifist streak. Certainly, you didn't require Kakara's help to win; I think the easiest way to pull it off would have been to spend more time socializing with Dandelor, since he was \equipped to deal with Dandeer's mind control; I also had a fight setup plotted out if you managed to clue Apra in and had a duel over senzu hall.
Besides, this isn't really a complete victory for you, regardless. Kakara winning might be better for you than Dandeer doing the same, but you can expect some things to undergo some major changes from here on outMy Quest: Dragon Ball: Post the Calamity: Centuries after an mysterious adversary wiped out the Z Fighters and Earth, the final, hidden remnant struggles to survive. Chaotic Good StrudelGenius, Yesterday at 1:01 AM Report #63203 + Quote Reply
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HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
I'm impressed, but the user titles appear to be duplicated in the 'posted by' section. This was Yammar's negaverse, I presume?
- Location
- Here and there
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Sure looks that way. Also looks like we won in that one by talking Yammar down.
@PoptartProdigy now that we're past the point of a redo, would that have been possible?
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Nice.A Thousand Thousand Mirrors, Mirrored (Negaverse)
Dragon Ball: Post the Calamity Discussion in 'Quests' started by StrudelGenius, Aug 6, 2013.
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Muffin Button ⬤
InsaneGameTheorist
StrudelGenius said: ↑ Update!
Holy Shit! Never in my life have I been so happy we failed a roll, much less that we failed multiple easy rolls in quick succession.Muffin Button can solve every problem! Yes, even that one. Muffin Button InsaneGameTheorist, Yesterday at 12:16 AM Report #63201 + Quote Reply
Yamcha ga Shinda! ⬤
Blue Marble
Wow. When Strudel mentioned being under mind control would debuff our deception, I thought they meant we might be able to get Apra to notice something was wrong, not that this was in the cards. If you expect the unexpected, does the expected become unexpected? Yamcha ga Shinda! Blue Marble, Yesterday at 12:17 AM Report #63202 + Quote Reply
Chaotic Good ⬤
StrudelGenius
Great Singingman said: ↑ Wow. When Strudel mentioned being under mind control would debuff our deception, I thought they meant we might be able to get Apra to notice something was wrong, not that this was in the cards.
So did I, honestly. I was just running through the scenarios, though, and this came up as what Kakara would have picked. She made a gamble based on her personality traits, and the dice made it pay for itself in a big way.My Quest: Dragon Ball: Post the Calamity: Centuries after an mysterious adversary wiped out the Z Fighters and Earth, the final, hidden remnant struggles to survive. Chaotic Good StrudelGenius, Yesterday at 12:17 AM Report #63203 + Quote Reply
Super Duper Saiyan ⬤
Acier
What. The. Fuck. Since when are socials that bullshit? Forget fighting, forget mastering a fourth style, we should never have neglected these skills. Imagine if when Dandeer first mind controlled us, we just talked her out of it! Or the massacre? Why take mental health debuffs for surpressing a rebellion when you can just roll deceit and convince them that they aren't actually super saiyans! Super Duper Saiyan Acier, Yesterday at 12:19 AM Report #63204 + Quote Reply
Yamcha ga Shinda! ⬤
Blue Marble
Acier said: ↑ What. The. Fuck. Since when are socials that bullshit? Forget fighting,
forget mastering a fourth style, we should never have neglected these skills. Imagine if when Dandeer first mind controlled us, we just talked her out of it! Or the massacre? Why take mental health debuffs for suppressing a rebellion when you can just roll deceit and convince them that they aren't actually super saiyans!
Calm down Acier. Strudel mentioned that this required some really favorable rolls; we aren't helpless against this kind of thingIf you expect the unexpected, does the expected become unexpected? Yamcha ga Shinda! Blue Marble, Yesterday at 12:24 AM Report #63205 + Quote Reply
Super Duper Saiyan ⬤
Acier
I'm not mad. This is a good result for us, as far as I can tell. I didn't want to be mind controlled. I just wish we had some inkling that these skills were this insanely overpowered, so we hadn't wasted our time becoming on of the exiles' top fighters. Super Duper Saiyan Acier, Yesterday at 12:26 AM Report #63206 + Quote Reply
I am the hype ⬤
BoxofHippos
Honestly, if you think about it we should have known Kakara would be insane at socials. Remember when we examined her and got a partial look at her chatachter sheet a few years back? She's a pacifist, which is basically a crippling debuff for us saiyans, as her foundational trait. It basically had to come with some extreme buff to the social stats to make up for it. Come to think of it, that's probably also why she can use the spirit bomb; it seems to require a telepathy / communications check to gather the ki. Go beyond even further beyond. I am the hype BoxofHippos, Yesterday at 12:31 AM Report #63207 + Quote Reply
Chaotic Good ⬤
StrudelGenius
I'm not going to give OOC info on Kakara's traits, but she's spent way more of her focus on her socials than you guys ever have. She's friends with Papata Fren for a reason, you know. She wouldn't have been capable of anywhere near this much if you weren't under the mind whammy, but she's also pretty good about not making enemies of the other super saiyans. My Quest: Dragon Ball: Post the Calamity: Centuries after an mysterious adversary wiped out the Z Fighters and Earth, the final, hidden remnant struggles to survive. Chaotic Good StrudelGenius, Yesterday at 12:33 AM Report #63208 + Quote Reply
Grab a Bowl! ⬤
Song Goku
StrudelGenius said: ↑ I'm not going to give OOC info on Kakara's traits, but she's spent way more of her focus on her socials than you guys ever have. She's friends with Papata Fren for a reason, you know. She wouldn't have been capable of anywhere near this much if you weren't under the mind whammy, but she's also pretty good about not making enemies of the other super saiyans.
She's friends with Papata Fren? That explains a lot, honestly.Unfortunately, Song Oku doesn't look very good. Grab a Bowl! Song Goku, Yesterday at 12:35 AM Report #63209 + Quote Reply
Yamcha ga Shinda! ⬤
Blue Marble
At a guess, pacifist gives some serious mental health buffs, in addition to the social buffs she showcased here / Genki Dama / Church Convention. Not only can Kakara effectively interact with people, she also seems to be much less monofocused and just generally more creative. Even before she talked us down, there was her using the power ball on Vegeta Vegeta and Berra (That shit was hilarious), or when she picked Dandeer up as a weapon. Probably some kind of buff to creative choices / picking the third option as well as missing most of Saiyan Society's disadvantages. Besides, with a name like Kakara, how could she be anything but a major character? If you expect the unexpected, does the expected become unexpected? Yamcha ga Shinda! Blue Marble, Yesterday at 12:40 AM Report #63210 + Quote Reply
100% Human ⬤
Imetri
You're the best, StrudelGenius. This is way better than us being able to write omakes for negative roll bonuses.If we had just lost the fight, we would have missed this gloriousness. Greetings, fellow organics. I too enjoy sleep and consumption of carbon compounds. 100% Human Imetri, Yesterday at 12:45 AM Report #63201 + Quote Reply
Ignore the name
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QwikChat
I'm going to buck the trend here. Honestly, this felt kinda cheap. Like, I was somewhat annoyed when we got fucked over by Dandeer, but I knew it was completely fair and we lost due to our own screwups. Now, though, this feels like Kakara was introduced just to be our "get out of jail free" card against Dandeer. It's like we didn't earn wthis victory, and Studel just handed it to us on a silver platter. What agency did we have in this resolution anyway, once we blew our willpower check to ask Kakara to charge Spirit Saiyan before arriving / to avoid going straight after Dandeer and then bragging. She was supposed to be our major arc villain, btu she got handled by factors outside our control for reasons we didn't effect. To find what lies beyond speed. Ignore the name
QwikChat, Yesterday at 12:53 AM Report#63202 + Quote Reply
Chaotic Good ⬤
StrudelGenius
QwikChat said: ↑ I'm going to buck the trend here. Honestly, this felt kinda cheap. Like, I was somewhat annoyed when we got fucked over by Dandeer, but I knew it was completely fair and we lost due to our own screwups. Now, though, this feels like Kakara was introduced just to be our "get out of jail free" card against Dandeer. It's like we didn't earn wthis victory, and Strudel just handed it to us on a silver platter. What agency did we have in this resolution anyway, once we blew our willpower check to ask Kakara to charge Spirit Saiyan before arriving / to avoid going straight after Dandeer and then bragging. She was supposed to be our major arc
villain, but she got handled by factors outside our control for reasons we didn't effect.
Let me assure you that Kakara was not introduced to save you from Dandeer. Honestly, I never "intended" Dandeer to be a major opponent at all; I had plans for it, but I completely expected you to surprise me like you did with house Talt and completely trivialize it.
Regardless, Kakara almost allied with Dandeer; it was touch and go for a few updates there, even after she made her incredible roll to oppose the sealing. Dandeer thought of her as a Savior, was friends with her beloved father, and like Kakara had something of a pacifist streak. Certainly, you didn't require Kakara's help to win; I think the easiest way to pull it off would have been to spend more time socializing with Dandelor, since he was \equipped to deal with Dandeer's mind control; I also had a fight setup plotted out if you managed to clue Apra in and had a duel over senzu hall.
Besides, this isn't really a complete victory for you, regardless. Kakara winning might be better for you than Dandeer doing the same, but you can expect some things to undergo some major changes from here on outMy Quest: Dragon Ball: Post the Calamity: Centuries after an mysterious adversary wiped out the Z Fighters and Earth, the final, hidden remnant struggles to survive. Chaotic Good StrudelGenius, Yesterday at 1:01 AM Report #63203 + Quote Reply
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Have yourself a compliant, bonus going to the climactic moment of the Unsealing.By the by, did anybody else have omakes for me that I haven't threadmarked? I'm sure I've lost a few in the flare-ups following the loss.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
As for you! Obviously, as you state, non-canon. Bonus going to time travel (more relevant than it sounds).
Yes, although not once you were holding Dandeer.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Incidentally, can I hear what would've happened if we tried to sacrifice Dandeer in order to wake Jaffur up?
- Location
- Here and there
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Huh.
That's interesting.
I'll ask how, but I'm not expecting an answer.
Either way that mind control must somehow be even more finicky than we thought.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Vote Tally : Dragon Ball: After the End - Sci-Fi | Page 1281 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 32031-32088]
##### NetTally 1.9.10
[X] Dart in close and take your time with this bastard. Let him feel how helpless he is. Don't go straight for the kill; just spend your time knocking him around. (Canon route, x2 vote weighting.)
No. of Votes: 9
[X] Get in there and kill him immediately. Your son is still here.
No. of Votes: 4
[X] Fire up a Kamehameha and erase him. Let him feel what Krillin felt.
No. of Votes: 2
[X] You're not much one for blasts, but Freeza must know that too, by now. How furious would he be if blasting was all you decided to do right now? Make him dance. (x2 vote weighting.)
No. of Votes: 2
Total No. of Voters: 17
##### NetTally 1.9.10
[X] Dart in close and take your time with this bastard. Let him feel how helpless he is. Don't go straight for the kill; just spend your time knocking him around. (Canon route, x2 vote weighting.)
No. of Votes: 9
[X] Get in there and kill him immediately. Your son is still here.
No. of Votes: 4
[X] Fire up a Kamehameha and erase him. Let him feel what Krillin felt.
No. of Votes: 2
[X] You're not much one for blasts, but Freeza must know that too, by now. How furious would he be if blasting was all you decided to do right now? Make him dance. (x2 vote weighting.)
No. of Votes: 2
Total No. of Voters: 17
The canon route is our current leader. Thanks to vote weighting, it has an effective 18 votes, which is more votes than there are participating voters.
Non-canon to your omake, bonus to desperation moves.
Tried to sacrifice her at what point? First time you went to revive Jaffur, or the second time you tried to take her hostage?
You'll have one anyway.
It wasn't actually about the mind control. Yammar has a trait forbidding him from honoring a hostage as a check on his actions. He got it during the Death of Talt.