Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
... even if it is. We are a novice seer and dandeer is a grandmaster level sorcerer.
Dragon Ball: After the End
... even if it is. We are a novice seer and dandeer is a grandmaster level sorcerer.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I am not going to chime in on the ongoing argument, but I'll point out that this is due to frequency of occurrence. One out of a hundred people has the potential for Sight, though not nearly all of them develop it. Five out of a hundred have the potential for magic.
CaesriusPolybius
Worldgate Mechanic
- Location
- United States. Ish.
... what.
Like. Let's set aside all futuresight, pastsight, and exotic presentsight, and focus on what the Sight can do with non-exotic presentsight(that is, within our plane of reality).
Objectively? The Sight isn't great at presentsight. Oh, sure, it can do it, and since it can do it without preparation it can do so better in some ways than magic or tech can. But, it can only be used so often.
Meanwhile, a mage clipping an observation spell to a target? Better than the Sight, since they could tap that whenever they want. Same with a tinkerer gluing a spycam to someone.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
You do realize that the two rolls aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, right?
We could have gotten both in principle, @PoptartProdigy , correct me if I'm wrong?
Also, fictionfan, there's something just plain unreasonable about doggedly insisting that Sight has to be better at everything than magic, categorically and in all conditions of things. There's no evidence of Kanassan Sight being that much more powerful than magic in all its various incarnations in Dragonball canon.
And to get your "Sight is disappointing" result, you're ignoring a huge number of important considerations, like the way Sight enables us to actively scry on the future and the past. It's a tremendous asset in ways that we have no sign of Sealing-based magic being able to block or duplicate, no matter how creatively it's abused.
It seems like you've sort of...arbitrarily decided that abilities are ranked strictly in ascending order of rarity. I don't buy that. I mean, hypothetically Kakara could conceivably be the Legendary Super-Saiyan a la Broly, but that would just give us more ki power we would be questionably able to use safely, and it wouldn't do us very much good at all in this situation. And yet that ability would be far rarer than Sight.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
To add to this point, in Dragonball proper, ki seems to trump everything, if you have enough juice. And it is more common than sight or magic.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
On the other hand, you need a LOT of juice to pull this off. Like, a LOT.
Magic definitely wins out on economy of force, if you have the skill to back it up.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
Well, not replicating but Dandeer at least proved capable of blicking it with magic, what with her doing so with the night Vegeta was sealed.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Do the Fusion with Jaffur and we can be.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
Well, first of all, if you expect rarity to directly equal power Sight should be six times better, not five. (100, 99, 98, 97, 96, 95 are all '95 or better'. Six numbers)
As I said above, a ninety five or better roll is actually six percent. Though if you were actually doing a ninety six or better roll, well. Nevermind then.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
RIght, Dandeer can block our scrying attempts with magic.
Aaaand we completely bypassed one of her greatest achievements, the seal on Jaffur, using scrying. Repeatedly. Without even trying.
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I mean, if this were somehow Dandeer Quest and all our actions made sense to us, after a literal lifetime of years spent training up to make the protagonist the greatest sorceress in the history of her people, if we found out that a barely-trained nine year old Seer was able to slip past all our wards and access the locked-away consciousness of Jaffur, we'd be all like "HAX! I CALL HAX!"
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- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Yup. Separate, non-exclusive rolls. Mind, had Kakara gotten both, it would have shifted my plans drastically. Jaffur, with his various unique fighting buffs and magic, is only barely balanced for this system. Any PC, even one so fighting-averse as Kakara, wielding both magic and sight, would have snapped balance over their knee. The quest would have needed to shift radically from me trying to present meaningful challenges, to me trying to run a campaign with a horrendously-overpowered PC.
That would have been fascinating, but it would have been an issue.
I don't actually remember how I handled it at the time, but in any event it is a five percent chance and Kakara would have blown it no matter how I was doing it back then.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
If only we had gotten five cookies before the quest even started...
Ridiculously Average Guy
I'm you, but stronger
- Location
-
Isn't that because, you know, Jaffur fucked it up? I doubt the seal was meant to contain a Hype Ebonics Mind Chamber.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Well, I ran out of time.
Tomorrow, I'm busy, and then I'm driving, and then I'm busy for the weekend. So...no update for a while, I'm afraid. I'd hoped to finish it before I left, but it didn't turn out happening. I'll still be around in the form of short posts, but I won't have anything like the time or space I need to write an update. Sorry, folks! See you in a bit, unless I'm very wrong about how this weekend-
Okay, nah, if this weekend goes off in the only way that would even theoretically make me un-busy, I'd be too busy dealing with the fallout. Expect no update for the next few days!
Tomorrow, I'm busy, and then I'm driving, and then I'm busy for the weekend. So...no update for a while, I'm afraid. I'd hoped to finish it before I left, but it didn't turn out happening. I'll still be around in the form of short posts, but I won't have anything like the time or space I need to write an update. Sorry, folks! See you in a bit, unless I'm very wrong about how this weekend-
Okay, nah, if this weekend goes off in the only way that would even theoretically make me un-busy, I'd be too busy dealing with the fallout.
Expect no update for the next few days!
- Location
- Here and there
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Good luck with the interview/wedding/funeral/robbery/body disposal!
- Location
- California
In Exile history has anybody ever had both, or would such a PC have been the first?
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
If one in twenty Exiles has magic and one in a hundred is a seer and they really are independent, then one in every two thousand Exiles should have both and there should be roughly 150 75 Seer-sorcerors or potentials for same.
EXCEPT that if there were any Vegetan Seer-sorcerors, you'd really really think at least a few of them would have had the good judgment to skip that meeting.
Or no, wait. Maybe all the Vegetan seer-sorcerors foresaw terrible fates if they took up magic training, and never trained, and just concentrated on being seers!
EDIT:
It's like the old joke about the Prescience Olympics: the gold medal is awarded to the only team that bothered to show up.
EXCEPT that if there were any Vegetan Seer-sorcerors, you'd really really think at least a few of them would have had the good judgment to skip that meeting.
Or no, wait. Maybe all the Vegetan seer-sorcerors foresaw terrible fates if they took up magic training, and never trained, and just concentrated on being seers!
EDIT:
It's like the old joke about the Prescience Olympics: the gold medal is awarded to the only team that bothered to show up.
- Location
- Italy
Poptart once said that while 5% and 1% where the odds for kakara and jaffur (and maybe the other named NPC, not sure), the odds for the average saiyan are much lower. It's not really one sorcerer in twenty.
Except I believe it was mentioned there's only about 600 Seers who are trained or in training, out of the 3,000 that possess the gift. So only 1 in 5 get training.If one in twenty Exiles has magic and one in a hundred is a seer and they really are independent, then one in every two thousand Exiles should have both and there should be roughly15075 Seer-sorcerors or potentials for same.
EXCEPT that if there were any Vegetan Seer-sorcerors, you'd really really think at least a few of them would have had the good judgment to skip that meeting.
Or no, wait. Maybe all the Vegetan seer-sorcerors foresaw terrible fates if they took up magic training, and never trained, and just concentrated on being seers!
EDIT:
It's like the old joke about the Prescience Olympics: the gold medal is awarded to the only team that bothered to show up.
Also, can I mention that the number of sorcerers doesn't match up? Poptart mentioned there's over 10,000 Gokun sorcerers, and there was previously 8,834 Vegetan sorcerers. The Exiles have a population of 300,000. At 1 in 20 odds, that would mean 15,000 sorcerers.
Not impossible if they were lucky with the number and they all got training, but IIRC most people with the talent also don't get training.
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
- Location
- Something Clever
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Hm. I wonder if sorcery has any effect on lifespan? If our older demographics are disproportionately skewed toward sorcerers that could contribute to the observed excess.
Alternatively, maybe we still don't have the full story about Dandeer's slaughter of the Vegetan sorcerers, and some of the "Gokun" sorcerers are actually Vegetan survivors of whatever really really happened. There's always another secret!
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
It's a hypersonic lion tamer.
- Location
- England, unfortunately.
- Pronouns
- She/They
High-End Tonic, Lime Flavour
Compliant Omake: New Beginnings
New Beginnings
It happened.
One night, the starships began to appear in the sky. The Enemy had arrived.
It was the duty of all Royals to fight them off as best they could, to buy time for evacuation. Dad was the first to fall, then Vegeta. Yammar and Apra broke the ancient rule, and reached SSJ2, for all the good it did them. Jaffur and Jaron were next, and now you are the last.
You think quickly, and open a telepathic channel to the escaping fleet.
"This is Karen Marsden, also known as Kakara Goku. I can only say this once, so listen closely. One of the secrets which my people, according to legend, once had and then lost was the ability to travel through time. If you have any of the remaining knowledge, please share it so that it can be reconstructed.
"The beings currently attacking Garenhuld are known to us only as the Enemy. They destroyed our ancestral world, killing people with powers we can only dream of. If you do manage to rebuild the secret, I ask that you -"
The message ended when you died.
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BAD END #15
No moratorium. Your next character is:
[ ] Maya Webley.
[ ] Jaffur Vegeta.
[ ] Tabe Stauber.
[ ] Kakara Goku. LOCKED. Once a Fulcrum has failed, they can never again be a Fulcrum.
[ ] Cynthia Balor. LOCKED. This person has their own story, and it is not this one.
[ ] Dandeer Senzu. LOCKED. You may not choose enemies of your previous character.
[ ] Meerak. LOCKED. You have not yet found the secret that unlocks this person.
One night, the starships began to appear in the sky. The Enemy had arrived.
It was the duty of all Royals to fight them off as best they could, to buy time for evacuation. Dad was the first to fall, then Vegeta. Yammar and Apra broke the ancient rule, and reached SSJ2, for all the good it did them. Jaffur and Jaron were next, and now you are the last.
You think quickly, and open a telepathic channel to the escaping fleet.
"This is Karen Marsden, also known as Kakara Goku. I can only say this once, so listen closely. One of the secrets which my people, according to legend, once had and then lost was the ability to travel through time. If you have any of the remaining knowledge, please share it so that it can be reconstructed.
"The beings currently attacking Garenhuld are known to us only as the Enemy. They destroyed our ancestral world, killing people with powers we can only dream of. If you do manage to rebuild the secret, I ask that you -"
The message ended when you died.
-
BAD END #15
No moratorium. Your next character is:
[ ] Maya Webley.
[ ] Jaffur Vegeta.
[ ] Tabe Stauber.