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Dragon Ball: After the End

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Lailoken said:
Don't waste a vision on Jaffur. He's had months and at this point he's either ready or he's not.
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We have enough fuel for 1 vision and 1 projection. Contacting Jaffur requires projection so we could still have a vision after contacting him.

uju32 said:
She allegedly killed several thousand Saiyan sorcerers singlehandedly.
We still don't know why, or what she used all that life energy for; Dazarel and the Spirit Bomb has made me it obvious that said power is fungible.
And my experience with Naruto makes me instinctively suspicious of defenses that basically amount to "testing my capac.
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There is no indication that she could use or take the life energy of the sorcerers she killed.
Cariyaga said:
Hm.... So. A good way, I think, to break it to Berra would be to explicitly submit to a Mind Walk (or whatever the technique is called, I forget). Shows trust.
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Or we could just use telepathy to send him the memories of the vision of the night Vegeta was sealed
 
Bakkasama said:
Or we could just use telepathy to send him the memories of the vision of the night Vegeta was sealed
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this one. Right after we finish the unsealing maybe. We also still need to contact Fren, we want her at the Hall when all comes down.


Right now, i'd go with a vision of what would happen IF we didn't stop Jaron and/or Jaffur from going straight for the kill.
If we see Dandeer somehow stopping them, or things going bad in some other way, then we have something to convince them to wait.
 
I don't think we can afford a vision since we need to be present (and lucid) for when Jaffar is unsealed. Besides, logically all the Seers on the planet are already keeping an eye on Dandeer, and her reactions anyways.
Also we are the only one that can stop Jaffar if he wants to do something unfortunate. Or if Jaron makes him change his mind.
Jaron himself can be easily stopped by any of the regular Saiyans around.

That leaves: "do nothing" ,"visit Jaffar to maybe calm him too" and "check on the rest of the conspirators".
The last is ... well, if the conspiration still has issues right now, after months of prep-work it deserves to fail.
The first is, imo, the option to guard against surprise outside events, and with all the Seers on board that honestly can't happen, or we would have been forwarded already.

So this leaves visit Jaffar as the only really useful option.
[ ] Visit Jaffur one last time to see if his head is in the right space. Rebalance him if he needs it.
 
Ayashi said:
I don't think we can afford a vision since we need to be present (and lucid) for when Jaffar is unsealed. Besides, logically all the Seers on the planet are already keeping an eye on Dandeer, and her reactions anyways.
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I'm on the fence about this analysis. Dandeer has ways to block Seers that only we can bypass (assuming she uses the same lock). Then again, it would be odd if she had those defenses up 24/7.

I think I favor of going for a vision of what could go wrong over visiting him, but I'll probably vote for both.
 
Ayashi said:
I don't think we can afford a vision since we need to be present (and lucid) for when Jaffar is unsealed. Besides, logically all the Seers on the planet are already keeping an eye on Dandeer, and her reactions anyways.
Also we are the only one that can stop Jaffar if he wants to do something unfortunate. Or if Jaron makes him change his mind.
Jaron himself can be easily stopped by any of the regular Saiyans around.
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Yeah, but Dandelor needs a bit if prep time with Jaron there before breaking the seal so presumably we have time for a vision before Jaffur is free.

thamuzz said:
I'm on the fence about this analysis. Dandeer has ways to block Seers that only we can bypass (assuming she uses the same lock). Then again, it would be odd if she had those defenses up 24/7.

I think I favor of going for a vision of what could go wrong over visiting him, but I'll probably vote for both.
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From what little we know, sorcery works best with simple concepts. I would think that sealing something that happened from being seen would be easier than sealing a myriad of possibilities that could happen.

As for her having said defense 24/7, if she can actually set them up they don't seem to need her to actively maintain them. No example we have seen needs the sorcerer to do so once the spell is cast.
 
Jaron is definitely the most volatile element of this plan. Could we use this time to leverage our Communication to give him a bonus to his self-control? Or convince him that Dandeer's punishment needs to wait? His rage and ignorance of the Exile's political situation might make it too difficult to do quickly, but none of the other options seem like they'd make much difference.
 
LeMat said:
Jaron is definitely the most volatile element of this plan. Could we use this time to leverage our Communication to give him a bonus to his self-control? Or convince him that Dandeer's punishment needs to wait? His rage and ignorance of the Exile's political situation might make it too difficult to do quickly, but none of the other options seem like they'd make much difference.
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We could mention how it would look to our friends like Maya and Sophie.

EDIT: Also his sister. To be honest, talking with Jaffur to make sure we're on the same page and ready to talk him down would be helpful.
 
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LeMat said:
Jaron is definitely the most volatile element of this plan. Could we use this time to leverage our Communication to give him a bonus to his self-control? Or convince him that Dandeer's punishment needs to wait? His rage and ignorance of the Exile's political situation might make it too difficult to do quickly, but none of the other options seem like they'd make much difference.
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He might be, but with his current power level of a couple milions, there's a lot of saiyans around that can simply sit on him. Like Raditz for exemple.
 
Can we at least inform Maya and the others?
I'm not sure how separated they are from the training we're doing with Jaron, should check in, just in case they went looking for us.
 
[X] Vision time.
-[X] Near future, confrontation with Dandeer.
[X] Visit Jaffur one last time to see if his head is in the right space. Rebalance him if he needs it.
 
Jrin said:
Raditz is a Super Saiyan right?
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Terrabrand said:
Unless he's lying, no. He said he wasn't point blank.
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He did, indeed, directly say he hadn't become a Super Saiyan. And of course our Deceit is good enough to pick out a lie, right?

He also demonstrated that the wards of House Senzu would NOT be sufficient to hide a SSJ power level, and invited us to test them. We did, and found he was telling the truth. And it isn't like he has a Master-class Sorcerer on call who could raise (or, more importantly, lower) additional wards on demand to contain higher power levels, right?

So I'm pretty sure he's not a Super Saiyan. Right?

He's definitely a Super Saiyan. But we can't prove it, and the Full-Power SSJ training is enough of a secret that he likely has only reached USSJ, not FPSSJ.

After all, if he were a SSJ, the Aftermath would go horribly wrong. Would @PoptartProdigy do that to us? We're doomed.

[X] Sit patiently and wait.
-[X] Try to get Jaron to calm down.

[X] Vision time.
-[X] Near future, confrontation with Dandeer.

[X] Sit patiently and wait.
 
[X] Vision time.
-[X] Fallout to Unsealing and Dandeer

At least find out what would be the fallout, that we can manage it just in case.
 
[X] Sit patiently and wait.
-[X] Try to get Jaron to calm down.

[X] Vision time.
-[X] Near future, confrontation with Dandeer.
 
@PoptartProdigy : Can we do ki blocking? It occurs to me that that if they fully power up the wards will pop which means we can't choose how to explain things to Dad.
 
[X] Visit Jaffur one last time to see if his head is in the right space. Rebalance him if he needs it.
fictionfan said:
@PoptartProdigy : Can we do ki blocking? It occurs to me that that if they fully power up the wards will pop which means we can't choose how to explain things to Dad.
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As i see it Ki blocking (or hiding your powerlevel) is mutually exclusive with powering up to your peak.
There's also the instant full power thing where you only go full power in the instant where you hit someone, but while that could fool a person if you do the "power up - hit - power down" fast enough, i would guess it would simply shatter the wards.
 
fictionfan said:
@PoptartProdigy : Can we do ki blocking? It occurs to me that that if they fully power up the wards will pop which means we can't choose how to explain things to Dad.
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Depends on what you mean by ki blocking. If you mean that skill of Carrick's wherein a sufficiently skilled seer can use their Sight to block up the body's ki pathways, no.

If you mean erecting a sufficiently powerful sorcerous ward as to mask other people's ki sensing, no.

If you mean suppressing your power level by lowering it, then yes, but not if you're powered up.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Depends on what you mean by ki blocking. If you mean that skill of Carrick's wherein a sufficiently skilled seer can use their Sight to block up the body's ki pathways, no.

If you mean erecting a sufficiently powerful sorcerous ward as to mask other people's ki sensing, no.

If you mean suppressing your power level by lowering it, then yes, but not if you're powered up.
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Well I want to suppress Jaron's power level so he doesn't pop the wards when the seal is broken.
 
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