Remove ads

Dragon Ball: After the End

Voting is open
Reader mode
[X] Vision time.
-[X] Near future, confrontation with Dandeer.

[X] Vision time.
-[X] Fallout to Unsealing and Dandeer
 
Last edited:
[x] Sit patiently and wait.
-[x]tell him to keep his power level down when the seal breaks. We don't want to blow the wards and lose the element of surprise.
 
[X] Sit patiently and wait.
-[X] Try to get Jaron to calm down.

Ayashi said:
Jaron isn't a SSJ, he's a human that's the point of the Mask spell, so he won't get a power up from just rage. And he's quite far from the Wards power level limit, iirc he's around 8 millions?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

... considering how else Jaffur messed up the Seal, I now find myself wondering if Jaron has any S-Cells...
 
Zero4Ever said:
Pretty sure S-cells were tossed out as noncanon for this quest
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
true, but we still don't know if Jaron will be human or saiyan. Right now he IS the seal, more or less.

I think they might share a body for some time. There was talk of creating a magic-based multiform to separate them permanently, but i'm not sure Jaffur and Dandelor already have dome something like that. Probably not.
 
[X] Sit patiently and wait.

I feel like just "try and get Jaron to be calm" has a low chance of success.
 
Ah, S-Cells have come up. S-Cells have not been so much decanonized in this quest as they are irrelevant.

Which, honestly, isn't much of a change from their status in canon.

Let's be clear: S-Cells are basically midichlorians. They're a special microscopic cell which only Force users Super Saiyans have in any relevant amounts, which allow one to use the Force access the transformation. Like midichlorians, S-Cells were introduced after literal decades of the franchise muddling along acceptably without them, as an attempt to create an explanation for a phenomenon which didn't really need one. They are a solution, desperately searching for a problem and finding nothing.

Furthermore, they possess virtually no presence in the canon save for their mere, pointless existence. They aren't needed, they're used poorly where they're used at all, and they're boring. My reaction to them, much like my reaction to midichlorians, was, "Oh, I guess that's a thing. Okay, I guess. Doesn't seem terribly necessary. Does it change anything? No? Alright, I'll just wait for you to stop talking then, Akira."

S-Cells are pointless, and unless they make themselves relevant, I intend to ignore them. They're not decanonized; they're there, even if they don't really do anything other than the obvious. I just don't intend to grant them any more relevance than they've earned.

Which, in this case, means never mentioning them in the quest itself, and this being my final word on the matter.
 
Last edited:
KnightDisciple said:
I feel like just "try and get Jaron to be calm" has a low chance of success.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

We have damn good communication skills. The DC will be sky-high, but we have a chance. We also have good arguments in favor of him staying calm, which he is now (having accessed his memories) able to understand.

I'm sure that'll matter to an emotional teenager.

But still, I'd be surprised if we had much worse than a 50/50 shot, given the skills and bonuses we have. Plus, Jaron trusts us.
 
KaintukeeBob said:
We have damn good communication skills. The DC will be sky-high, but we have a chance. We also have good arguments in favor of him staying calm, which he is now (having accessed his memories) able to understand.

I'm sure that'll matter to an emotional teenager.

But still, I'd be surprised if we had much worse than a 50/50 shot, given the skills and bonuses we have. Plus, Jaron trusts us.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Hm. Good points.

[X] Sit patiently and wait.
-[X] Try to get Jaron to calm down.
 
Hmm. Just to be sure about something...

@PoptartProdigy has anyone informed Jaffur of the power level limits on the Senzu wards?
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Ah, S-Cells have come up. S-Cells have not been so much decanonized in this quest as they are irrelevant.

Which, honestly, isn't much of a change from their status in canon.

Let's be clear: S-Cells are basically midichlorians. They're a special microscopic cell which only Force users Super Saiyans have in any relevant amounts, which allow one to use the force access the transformation. Like midichlorians, S-Cells were introduced after literal decades of the franchise muddling along acceptably without them, as an attempt to create an explanation for a phenomenon which didn't really need one. They are a solution, desperately searching for a problem and finding nothing.

Furthermore, they possess virtually no presence in the canon save for their mere, pointless existence. They aren't needed, they're used poorly where they're used at all, and they're boring. My reaction to them, much like my reaction to midichlorians, was, "Oh, I guess that's a thing. Okay, I guess. Doesn't seem terribly necessary. Does it change anything? No? Alright, I'll just wait for you to stop talking then, Akira."

S-Cells are pointless, and unless they make themselves relevant, I intend to ignore them. They're not decanonized; they're there, even if they don't really do anything other than the obvious. I just don't intend to grant them any more relevance than they've earned.

Which, in this case, means never mentioning them in the quest itself, and this being my final word on the matter.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Ah. So they're basically the biological reason for super saiyan having a power level pre-requisite? Without a power level of 1 million +, you just don't have enough S-Cells?
 
KaintukeeBob said:
He also demonstrated that the wards of House Senzu would NOT be sufficient to hide a SSJ power level, and invited us to test them. We did, and found he was telling the truth. And it isn't like he has a Master-class Sorcerer on call who could raise (or, more importantly, lower) additional wards on demand to contain higher power levels, right?

So I'm pretty sure he's not a Super Saiyan. Right?

He's definitely a Super Saiyan. But we can't prove it, and the Full-Power SSJ training is enough of a secret that he likely has only reached USSJ, not FPSSJ.

After all, if he were a SSJ, the Aftermath would go horribly wrong. Would @PoptartProdigy do that to us? We're doomed.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

I hope you don't mind me revealing your silly invisitext so others know what I'm responding to- there's no way in hell that Dandelor alone has actually not only managed wards that good but done it without us catching them offguard when we, you know, caught them unexpectedly. Head Raditz, in particular, has no reason to expect a mind delve to clear him if he actually went Super Saiyan.
 
Terrabrand said:
I hope you don't mind me revealing your silly invisitext so others know what I'm responding to- there's no way in hell that Dandelor alone has actually not only managed wards that good but done it without us catching them offguard when we, you know, caught them unexpectedly. Head Raditz, in particular, has no reason to expect a mind delve to clear him if he actually went Super Saiyan.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

If the increased wards were only up when practicing SSJ, I could see them being down when we caught them by surprise. I could also see Raditz having had time to instruct them brought down before he invited us to test the wards. There was time, especially since we knew nothing of magic at the time.

But you are entirely correct that he wouldn't be able to be cleared by Mind Delve if he had been practicing SSJ. And I don't see Yammar, Apra, or our Dad letting him off for breaking that law.

I did, however, want to point out in my initial comment that taking it on faith that he hadn't, especially with the relatively flimsy 'testing' we had done to 'prove' it was silly. Raditz is a character with his own motives and desires, and those could lead him to lie to us. I'm not saying they did, but they easily could have...and some people don't seem to realize that. I've noticed a number of people who are fans of a work take the words of anyone in that work as complete gospel. Hell, there are even some people who think that Sweet (the demon in the Buffy musical episode) lost.

All I'm saying (with any degree of seriousness) is that we can't just assume that everyone is telling us the truth. Some people are dishonest, and will lie about that fact.
 
Wiadi said:
Hmm. Just to be sure about something...

@PoptartProdigy has anyone informed Jaffur of the power level limits on the Senzu wards?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Yup. He's aware.
Aranfan said:
Ah. So they're basically the biological reason for super saiyan having a power level pre-requisite? Without a power level of 1 million +, you just don't have enough S-Cells?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
S-Cells occur in kind-hearted saiyans, or simply as the result of an ass-load of training.
 
[X] Visit Jaffur one last time to see if his head is in the right space. Rebalance him if he needs it.

[x] Sit patiently and wait.

[X] Sit patiently and wait.
-[X] Try to get Jaron to calm down.
 
[X] Sit patiently and wait.
-[X] Try to get Jaron to calm down.

[X] Vision time.
-[X] Fallout to Unsealing and Dandeer

[X] Vision time.
-[X] Near future, confrontation with Dandeer.
 
Reader mode
You must login or register to reply here.
Voting is open
Remove ads
Back
Top