They care inasmuch as either position may affect the bottom line. If Glomgold is still dealing with assholes like Negaduck, being able to hire people to fight back might be good for him, but otherwise he's going to be neutral. Xanatos will set things up so he benefits either way no matter what happens, so not the issue.
Are they alive? They weren't listed as survivors. Sure, they weren't officially supers in the first place, but that's no guarantee Syndrome didn't commit infanticide.
You remember how among the Supers that we're doing things during the fight at the Con (Luck be a Lady Arc) there was a speedster? They were one of Shego's capes. I can't remember much of a description being given for them but could that have possibly been a grown up Dash? I mean, the portal hero was one of the supers from Incredibles 2 (the one known to really admire Elastigirl no less) so it could be a possibility.
I almost forgot. I had a question I thought of last night: he's called "Doctor" Doofenshmirtz, but doe he actually have a doctorate? And if so, what is it a doctorate in? I like to think that he does, and it's in Theoretical Physics, since his -inators are constantly flouting the laws of physics.
I almost forgot. I had a question I thought of last night: he's called "Doctor" Doofenshmirtz, but doe he actually have a doctorate? And if so, what is it a doctorate in? I like to think that he does, and it's in Theoretical Physics, since his -inators are constantly flouting the laws of physics.
You remember how among the Supers that we're doing things during the fight at the Con (Luck be a Lady Arc) there was a speedster? They were one of Shego's capes. I can't remember much of a description being given for them but could that have possibly been a grown up Dash? I mean, the portal hero was one of the supers from Incredibles 2 (the one known to really admire Elastigirl no less) so it could be a possibility.
I almost forgot. I had a question I thought of last night: he's called "Doctor" Doofenshmirtz, but doe he actually have a doctorate? And if so, what is it a doctorate in? I like to think that he does, and it's in Theoretical Physics, since his -inators are constantly flouting the laws of physics.
Yeah, Khan night very well sit this one one in his far-off island fiefdom of Cape Suzette somehwere in the Pacific (we only can infer that it´s not part of the Hawai´i atoll or else it have been reported "destroyed" with the rest of the chain)
It's almost certainly Speed. Assume any speedster working for or with Gwen Grayson is Speed, any stretchy individual is Lash, any duplicator is Emma, and... actually I dunno what Stitches' power is, but if anyone thought to be her father shows up it's him.
Yeah, Khan night very well sit this one one in his far-off island fiefdom of Cape Suzette somehwere in the Pacific (we only can infer that it´s not part of the Hawai´i atoll or else it have been reported "destroyed" with the rest of the chain)
I believe Cape Suzette is on the US mainland, as Talespin implied as much with it being attached to their North America counterpart. In terms of geography and weather the area has a lot in common with Baja California, so I would scope Cape Suzette as being at the very end of Southern US California (replacing San Diego?) or a special zone that would belong to Mexico in our dimension.
That's part of the reason Khan doesn't have map space. People might think America annexed a chunk Mexico when its only supposed to represent Khan being influential there.
I can agree with musical and cartoon based propaganda to undermine Doom and the SRA. I can agree with either overtly or covertly helping Shego with fighting the SRA (for a certain price of course, we are an evil businessman after all). I can agree with the Insuricare thing. What I can't agree with is the overwhelming opinion that the SRA is not our problem. Because it is.
Argument: We're a sovereign nation. We shouldn't get involved with another nation's internal affairs.
Counterpoint: Uh, when was the last time someone acknowledged Doofania's sovereignty who wasn't us? No one, not even our employees, considers this a sovereign nation. Sure, we got the government in our pocket, but it's still a part of the US government. Heck, even we don't take our own claim seriously, considering we still pay taxes! Until the US recognizes Doofania as a sovereign nation, it's laws still (if only tangentially) apply to us, and our citizens are going to expect us to enforce them. If we don't, we're gonna have riots on our hands. Plus, if we just say we're not gonna enforce it, that will cause us to lose favor with the US government, and, if we're really unlucky, have Russ suffer a loyalty malus. If we fall too out of favor with the government, they're just going to take us out, or, if that fails, cripple our power. Both are pretty undesireable.
Argument: Fighting the SRA gives us almost no benefit.
Counterpoint: Uh, hello?
-Improved diplomatic relations with Shego
-Improved diplomatic relations with Evelyn (if she's being sincere, which is entirely possible after witnessing Syndrome's genocidal tendencies)
-Increased PR
-Possible increase in government relations due to changing the law the normal way instead of the illegal channels
-Increase in loyalty and possible performance increase in Mirage, due to feelings of guilt being abated
-Increased Martial due to supers being grateful to us and seeing us as a good employer
Argument: If we repeal the SRA, the so-called "heroes" will come after us.
Counterpoint: Entirely possible. However, if we help repeal the SRA, that's going to cast doubt on whether or not we're actually evil. This will cause even the more punch-happy of supers to hesitate and start looking into us. Looking at our public track record, we haven't really done anything evil. In fact, by a lot of standards, we're downright good (at least, as long as no one finds out we were responsible for the Sands Gala Incident). Also, if they look deep enough, they'll realize that the "Evil" in our company name was actually mistranslated (I remember seeing a canon omake where Vanessa and Doof explained the origins of the DEI). That should get any pesky supers off our backs.
Argument: The SRA is not a discriminatory law, it just prevents herowork.
Counterpoint: Dude, that doesn't matter. The law doesn't need to discriminate against supers, because society already has that covered. If that wasn't the case, supers wouldn't have to hide. The only reason society tolerated superpowers was because they were used to help people. Take away that reason? All they become are freaks, prone to discrimination and abuse from society. Besides, the law is discriminatory in a way, considering it forces supers to hide who they are. Supers are forbidden to use their powers because if they are exposed and sued for damages, the government will cut them loose and they'll be forced to pay for everything out of pocket. This even applies to the children of the supers. Taking away their powers is like taking away a part of their identity. It's like when the US forced Native Americans to abandon their native culture and take up America's.
Huff huff... I'm good. I'm good. Just needed to get that off my chest.
I believe Cape Suzette is on the US mainland, as Talespin implied as much with it being attached to their North America counterpart. In terms of geography and weather the area has a lot in common with Baja California, so I would scope Cape Suzette as being at the very end of Southern US California (replacing San Diego?) or a special zone that would belong to Mexico in our dimension.
That's part of the reason Khan doesn't have map space. People might think America annexed a chunk Mexico when its only supposed to represent Khan being influential there.
As long as it´s on the Pacific side, I don´t particularly care (because otherwise that one episode with Not!China invading them wouldn´t make much sense)
I can agree with musical and cartoon based propaganda to undermine Doom and the SRA. I can agree with either overtly or covertly helping Shego with fighting the SRA (for a certain price of course, we are an evil businessman after all). I can agree with the Insuricare thing. What I can't agree with is the overwhelming opinion that the SRA is not our problem. Because it is.
Argument: We're a sovereign nation. We shouldn't get involved with another nation's internal affairs.
Counterpoint: Uh, when was the last time someone acknowledged Doofania's sovereignty who wasn't us? No one, not even our employees, considers this a sovereign nation. Sure, we got the government in our pocket, but it's still a part of the US government. Heck, even we don't take our own claim seriously, considering we still pay taxes! Until the US recognizes Doofania as a sovereign nation, it's laws still (if only tangentially) apply to us, and our citizens are going to expect us to enforce them. If we don't, we're gonna have riots on our hands. Plus, if we just say we're not gonna enforce it, that will cause us to lose favor with the US government, and, if we're really unlucky, have Russ suffer a loyalty malus. If we fall too out of favor with the government, they're just going to take us out, or, if that fails, cripple our power. Both are pretty undesireable.
Argument: Fighting the SRA gives us almost no benefit.
Counterpoint: Uh, hello?
-Improved diplomatic relations with Shego
-Improved diplomatic relations with Evelyn (if she's being sincere, which is entirely possible after witnessing Syndrome's genocidal tendencies)
-Increased PR
-Possible increase in government relations due to changing the law the normal way instead of the illegal channels
-Increase in loyalty and possible performance increase in Mirage, due to feelings of guilt being abated
-Increased Martial due to supers being grateful to us and seeing us as a good employer
Argument: If we repeal the SRA, the so-called "heroes" will come after us.
Counterpoint: Entirely possible. However, if we help repeal the SRA, that's going to cast doubt on whether or not we're actually evil. This will cause even the more punch-happy of supers to hesitate and start looking into us. Looking at our public track record, we haven't really done anything evil. In fact, by a lot of standards, we're downright good (at least, as long as no one finds out we were responsible for the Sands Gala Incident). Also, if they look deep enough, they'll realize that the "Evil" in our company name was actually mistranslated (I remember seeing a canon omake where Vanessa and Doof explained the origins of the DEI). That should get any pesky supers off our backs.
Argument: The SRA is not a discriminatory law, it just prevents herowork.
Counterpoint: Dude, that doesn't matter. The law doesn't need to discriminate against supers, because society already has that covered. If that wasn't the case, supers wouldn't have to hide. The only reason society tolerated superpowers was because they were used to help people. Take away that reason? All they become are freaks, prone to discrimination and abuse from society. Besides, the law is discriminatory in a way, considering it forces supers to hide who they are. Supers are forbidden to use their powers because if they are exposed and sued for damages, the government will cut them loose and they'll be forced to pay for everything out of pocket. This even applies to the children of the supers. Taking away their powers is like taking away a part of their identity. It's like when the US forced Native Americans to abandon their native culture and take up America's.
Huff huff... I'm good. I'm good. Just needed to get that off my chest.
I need to see Star or Marco's perspective when after they bail on Janna, she shows back up IN STYLE.
Like somehow she ends up finding you, because of course janna would, and she just casually rolls up with a possy of capital S super-villains as backup. Doing that smug thing where you just barley lift sunglasses to smirk at someone, riding on the back of some freaking crime against nature chimera.
From their perspective she didn't make it like five steps out of the city before janna-ing her way onto the payroll of one of the strongest, and hands down the dorkiest, evil-doer on the planet.
Its like in a mmo when the crew started to get serious and hardcore grind for that boss, so you left behind that casual freind who just plays to talk. Then next time you see her, she joined a new guild and they already powerleveled her above you.
Based on the setting explanations from earlier in the thread..
Anthropic Animals
Several cities on the West Coast are populated by walking talking animals. While the line between funny animal and toon can sometimes be unclear, anthropic animals generally do not possess a toon's obsession with comedy or physical resilience. For all intents and purposes, they are furrier- or featherier- people. They are mostly found in the regions of Calistota, Zootopia State, and Cape Suzette.
Cape Suzzette would seem to be somewhere in the Pacific Coast of the American mainland (or, if an island, close enough to the continent to be considered part of the West Coast).
Argument: The SRA is not a discriminatory law, it just prevents herowork.
Counterpoint: Dude, that doesn't matter. The law doesn't need to discriminate against supers, because society already has that covered.
Then change society and laws in such way, that they can use their power for normal honest work, while not giving them too much advantage over common workers.
Supers are forbidden to use their powers because if they are exposed and sued for damages, the government will cut them loose and they'll be forced to pay for everything out of pocket.
Like maybe they should not deal damage in the first place, just like every other people out there. Ability to cause damage and walk free from it, is what lead to SRA in the first place. Removing it don't change underlying problem, society will just circle back to it couple of years later.
Then change society and laws in such way, that they can use their power for normal honest work, while not giving them too much advantage over common workers.
Like maybe they should not deal damage in the first place, just like every other people out there. Ability to cause damage and walk free from it, is what lead to SRA in the first place. Removing it don't change underlying problem, society will just circle back to it couple of years later.
Make additional laws regarding children? Offer cheap insurance in case of unfortunate incidents?
Then change society and laws in such way, that they can use their power for normal honest work, while not giving them too much advantage over common workers.
I mean, if they can't use their powers for honest work, regardless of the advantage thats just protectionism. Especially because Supers are too local to have major impact on industries
Argument: If we repeal the SRA, the so-called "heroes" will come after us.
Counterpoint: Entirely possible. However, if we help repeal the SRA, that's going to cast doubt on whether or not we're actually evil. This will cause even the more punch-happy of supers to hesitate and start looking into us. Looking at our public track record, we haven't really done anything evil. In fact, by a lot of standards, we're downright good (at least, as long as no one finds out we were responsible for the Sands Gala Incident). Also, if they look deep enough, they'll realize that the "Evil" in our company name was actually mistranslated (I remember seeing a canon omake where Vanessa and Doof explained the origins of the DEI). That should get any pesky supers off our backs.
Another counterpoint, if a Hero comes and attacks we could always offer them therapy or just friendship in general and try to hire them as employees. Why go looking for hero units if hero units can come to us and we can spend a action instead trying to hire them.
This is an argument that bugs me by the way, there's a lot more flaws to it then people seem to think.
I can't actually figure out what balance of smart and dumb the super would need to attack us for being evil, because no matter what you're logic is ... it doesn't make sense.
Cause, you know, important thing to note, as far as people who believe the masquerade go ... the literal only thing that would make people suspect we are a evil is the fact that we call ourselves evil. If you believe in the masquerade, we've committed no crimes, done no villainy, and are still part of the state. Literally just a title.
The problem with believing superhero's would attack someone with that title is, well
It's an aesthetic.
Plenty of people call themselves evil, they wear a shirt that literally says "I'm evil", or some satanic imagery, or just go around saying "I'm so evil." There are tons of shirts and jackets that literally call the wearer evil or a villain or the devil, etc, etc, etc.
For a super to attack us literally just for an aesthetic .... that's a villain, even if their intentions are good, cause their also gonna be attacking a few innocent Goth kids who did nothing wrong but wear a particularly dark shirt. I'd rather that person, if their in our land, attack us anyway so we can put them down quick, rather then just roaming our land attacking our citizens because their actually delusional.
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So that takes care of literally everyone who isn't part of the masquerade. As for those in the masquerade .... well, again, us literally seceding from the US isn't public knowledge, it's a secret, those who would know that sort of thing have to be intelligent and perceptive and knowledgeable enough to see the world as it really is.
If that is the case, their probably smart enough to see that we are a lot less evil then literally all of our rivals and go for them first.
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So yeah, I don't see the logic where hero's attacking us is a problem. Either their so dumb their going to attack random citizens because they had the misfortune of wearing the wrong shirt, in which case we are bound to come into conflict anyway if their in our territory, or their smart enough to see through hte masquerade and thus smart enough to see that everyone around us is more evil then us.
I can't imagine an actual notable numbers of supers attacking us thanks to the SRA being repealed that wouldn't come into conflict with us anyway, cause the criteria for a superhero to attack us is at "this person must be crazy" so it's not like they'd let the law stop them in the first place.
Like somehow she ends up finding you, because of course janna would, and she just casually rolls up with a possy of capital S super-villains as backup. Doing th
Janna rolls up with a magical super ancient being stuck in her staff, multiple new friends her age, one of the greatest showmen who ever lived, a genderbent clone of a well known old instructor, a psychiatrist who looks like a TV, multiple other mad scientists, one of whom is actually the leader of a group of aliens, Ghengis fucking Khan reborn as a radioactive (THAT CAN'T BE GOOD) superbeing leading the Reborn Mongol Hordes, a duck who likes sandwiches and is swole as fuck, multiple government spies and agents, and all being led by some washed up pharmacist looking fucker who's somehow weaseled his way into controlling two and a half states.
Our group is pretty weird come to think of it.
EDIT: Oh, and at least one superhero, and a robot army led by an arguably sophont robot. Can't forget that.
