If we default to going against the SRA, we may want to have Mirage look into old Kronos stuff at some point in the next couple of turns. Her trait pushes her a touch beyond critical fail range for doing espionage against Olympia and a good roll could 1) give us evidence of Buddy's old crimes that should help against any resistance there is to turning down the stupid thing and 2) possibly gives us hints about whatever Deavour is preparing to sabotage the supers.

In any case, it is likely that Mirage will appreciate the opportunity to participate in this.
 
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Superhero Relocation Act while making public acts of heroism illegal, not in any way or form prosecute actual supers or infringe on their basic rights, unless you somehow consider super heroism as their inherited right. While Doom used our indifference toward SRA as opportunity for PR attack, concentrating on it means bringing our fight to chosen by him diplomatic battlefield, and spending actions on it, while we have much more promising angles of dealing with him on intrigue front.
 
Superhero Relocation Act while making public acts of heroism illegal, not in any way or form prosecute actual supers or infringe on their basic rights, unless you somehow consider super heroism as their inherited right. While Doom used our indifference toward SRA as opportunity for PR attack, concentrating on it means bringing our fight to chosen by him diplomatic battlefield, and spending actions on it, while we have much more promising angles of dealing with him on intrigue front.

I would agree with this, if it were not for Shego. I actually kinda suspect the original attack wasn't really on our PR. That's a side benefit, but the real goal was Shego. Shego hates the SRA, and everyone knows this. Doom is currently in conflict with us, and in conflict with his mysterious enemy back home, he needs someone fighting us so we are distracted, and painting us as anti-SRA is a good way to induce conflict with Shego. (remember, until he took the spot, Shego was the most hated enemy,)

Now, we have an advantage there that he doesn't realize, which is goodwill from the gala. Which means Shego is going to be less conflict-y. Buuuuut, "less" isn't "none". Shego may sorta not-hate us, but like, if we are getting in the way of her passion project* she will likely fight us. As such, jumping onboard helps secure our border**.

Additionally, Shego is one of the few people with enough credentials as a super and a opponent that she could reasonably hijack the moment from Doom, so tying our star to her's isn't a bad idea.

*And Shego is nothing but passionate about spite
**Admittedly Dev is something of a problem in this calc, but I'd say we contact them turn after and make it clear we are pro-SRA due to political concerns over hardcore ideology, and she's likely to focus on Doom/Shego, understanding us as someone who will swap back if not pushed.
 
Fun fact! Since the Superhero Relocation Act was only named as such in Incredibles 2, I ended up calling it the Superhero Liability Act in my own campaign.

I never got the chance to fully explore it myself, but that's what DoofQuest is for!
 
That's fair, but I honestly think we could make the worst of it be okay. I figure it's like... most of the Kings "won" their respective series a few years before setting start, depending on how long they needed to consolidate power. The fact that nominally most of these Disney movies and TV series are set in different time periods isn't all that important, most of them can be yanked forwards in time by several decades if you're willing to bullshit a little and use the "this is an alternate timeline that only broadly resembles real life historical details"

Eh. That's my feeling anyway.

I´ll just go with "the villains won a few year ago from NOW and any stylistic/political/social/other discrepancies are because WWII caused different areas/subcultures/what not to get wonky in their development compared to OTL"
 
Additionally, Shego is one of the few people with enough credentials as a super and a opponent that she could reasonably hijack the moment from Doom, so tying our star to her's isn't a bad idea.
But repealing of SRA will rejuvenate superhero movement, and guess who is evil overlord in control of several American states? Like now we can just fill lawsuit against any do gooder individuals, but if it will be like before SRA implementation, then government just cover all their money issues with attacking us. I feel like we are shooting himself in the foot here for some off chance of date with Shego. Why can't we just tell her that SRA is not our problem, since we are independent country.
 
I´ll just go with "the villains won a few year ago from NOW and any stylistic/political/social/other discrepancies are because WWII caused different areas/subcultures/what not to get wonky in their development compared to OTL"
That's generally how I rule it. You have a "now" that is a few years forward from the villains winning and the crossover occuring.
 
But it could be Armored Core in a few years.

I was gonna make a King's Field reference, but AC is Fromsoft as well and I've actually played some of that.

God, I'm now imagining A.C.E Villains Victorious and it's kinda frightening.

(Nevermind that that's technically just ACE 1's ending, shhhhh)

not to mention Hugo's brain melting at the cognitive dissidents occurring in his own mind.

Hego would probably be more concerned about his alternate self being evil than us, or that Shego is blatantly heroic.

Xanatos' internal monologue is gold by itself.

Only a small amount would be dedicated to us, on the question of "is he like this because our Doof is too much of a good person to be like that, too scatterbrained to be like that, or both?" He'd probably be more focused, again, on himself, and on his immediate neighbors.

But repealing of SRA will rejuvenate superhero movement, and guess who is evil overlord in control of several American states? Like now we can just fill lawsuit against any do gooder individuals, but if it will be like before SRA implementation, then government just cover all their money issues with attacking us. I feel like we are shooting himself in the foot here for some off chance of date with Shego. Why can't we just tell her that SRA is not our problem, since we are independent country.

They could definitely come to bust us up, but we have lowered the crime by a massive amount in our land. Any intelligent super would notice that.
 
They could definitely come to bust us up, but we have lowered the crime by a massive amount in our land. Any intelligent super would notice that.
We publically announced our rule, so we are big target, while not everyone will care or check for actual crime rates. Some will do it just for PR, and in the end I just don't think that smart capes is majority.

Edit: While I would prefer that we work on implementing green technology, reformed Doofania educational system and improved public transportation, if people want anti doom musical and insuricare reform I can accept it. And I agree that we need to speak with Shego next turn, but for us supporting SRA she must promise substantial benefits, and if not, it's better to stay firmly neutral on issue.
 
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Has anyone considered making a robot double of Janna to send back to Echo Creek? Make up a story for why she was gone or say she was fired for excessive pranking and see if Toffee tries to kill the double or not.

If so, we'd know in character he'd kill a teen for who they befriend and could possibly fake Janna's death to protect her. If not, we could us it to have a bot to spy down there and tell us any weird going ons. Also, would give a possibility to get Janna's and Marco's parents out of there quickly if things take a turn for the worst.
 
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Has anyone considered making a robot double of Janna to send back to Echo Creek? Make up a story for why she was gone or say she was fired for excessive pranking and see if Toffee tries to kill the double or not.

If so, we'd know in character he'd kill a teen for who they befriend and could possibly fake Janna's death to protect her. If not, we could us it to have a bot to spy down there and tell us any weird going ons. Also, would give a possibility to get Janna's and Marco's parents out of there quickly if things take a turn for the worst.

I'm not sure if the world would survive a Jannimatronic.
 
Has anyone considered making a robot double of Janna to send back to Echo Creek? Make up a story for why she was gone or say she was fired for excessive pranking and see if Toffee tries to kill the double or not.

If so, we'd know in character he'd kill a teen for who they befriend and could possibly fake Janna's death to protect her. If not, we could us it to have a bot to spy down there and tell us any weird going ons. Also, would give a possibility to get Janna's and Marco's parents out of there quickly if things take a turn for the worst.
Not sure if it will be able to pass magic scrutiny. But while we at it maybe make Star robo double, so she can appear in different places and distract Toffee, make finding original harder for him.
 
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How about a robot doppelganger of jumba that looks human? Just in case someone wants to know the lead geneticist of DEI.
 
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Why should we care about anti-toon laws in LA? We're not part of LA therefore it means nothing to us and we shouldn't do anything about it.

Edit: Doom also recently (successfully) implied we were apathetic towards Super/Cape discrimination and that doesn't exactly look good. The argument that we just look reactionary doesn't hold up if we actually do something about it (that whole insurance thing).

We might not be part of L. A., but anti-Toon sentiments exist all across the US, which means that with many of them under our employment we are under threat racist/speciesist attacks against our property/subject, which we simply can´t allow go unanswered. That is (part of) why we decided to become the "Anti-Doom" of the Toon Question....enlightened self-interest, you know?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we can always just publicly declare that the SRA will no longer be enforced in Doofania.

It clearly get's across that we are pro-super, but it's also not us poking our nose into another nations business. It gives us a pass on the PR thing, but we aren't obligated to continue helping out the cause.

On the other hand, enforcing a "non-enforcement" of the SRA (or any other official federal decree for that matter) would send the message to the US government and the pulbic at large that we are serious about seceeding from it, which in turn could cause them to get serious about really not liking that, sending our relations with the Eagle down the drain again after we tried playing nice and approachable about it for so long.

I´d honestly prefer us weakening the SRA covertly over subsidiaries like Insuricare...that and maybe talking to Shego about maybe cooperating with her in some form there.

Of course, if we decide to offer Shego our assistance in fighting the SRA *covertly*, we shouldn´t do it without any recompense from her - we are an EVIL CEO, after all
 
I wouldn't be all that surprised if Doom's speech about us hating supers isn't also somewhat self-projection, he is a toon who hate toons while we are a cape who had (besides Doom) Shego and Syndrome as his most hated ennemies.

If we hadn't taken the side of Toons, he might have thought us like-minded and a potential ally.
 
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I wouldn't be all that surprised if Doom's speech about us hating supers isn't also somewhat self-projection, he is a toon who hate toons while we are a cape who had (besides Doom) Shego and Syndrome as his most hated ennemies.

If we hadn't taken the side of Toons, he might have thought us like-minded and a potential ally.
Doof isn't a cape by any extension of the word. He is an "EVIL SCIENTIST!!!" but he has never been a cape. Phineas and Ferb would technically be capes through their short stint as "The Beak" though.
 
But repealing of SRA will rejuvenate superhero movement, and guess who is evil overlord in control of several American states? Like now we can just fill lawsuit against any do gooder individuals, but if it will be like before SRA implementation, then government just cover all their money issues with attacking us. I feel like we are shooting himself in the foot here for some off chance of date with Shego. Why can't we just tell her that SRA is not our problem, since we are independent country.

Repeal of the SRA is happening, like it or not. Now, you are a budding super-hero. Who are you going to want to go after more?

Doof- noted evil inc hold, claimer of independent nation, and mad scientist who ignored the defining issue.

Or

Doof. Noted eccentric who was on stage with Shego when she gave the defining speech about the SRA, calling out Doom's attempt to make a movement for supers all about himself.

Of course, if we decide to offer Shego our assistance in fighting the SRA *covertly*, we shouldn´t do it without any recompense from her - we are an EVIL CEO, after all

Frankly, I doubt Shego would trust any offer we made for free.
 
Frankly, we´d be the same if roles had been reversed.

...Heck, we or rather Doof was pretty suspicious of Shego when she approached us about teaming up at the Sands...remember, we are all corporate bosses of varying degrees of evilness (except Bill, but he is a whole other beast entirely)
With only one eye, to boot! : D
 
Repeal of the SRA is happening, like it or not.
I would not be so sure
Now, you are a budding super-hero. Who are you going to want to go after more?
Doof- noted evil inc hold, claimer of independent nation, and mad scientist who ignored the defining issue.
Or
Doof. Noted eccentric who was on stage with Shego when she gave the defining speech about the SRA, calling out Doom's attempt to make a movement for supers all about himself.
There will be minimal difference.SRA is not some kind of discrimination law, removing which will make them eternally grateful toward us. We are still villain, they are still heroes, they will just think that we also gained something, or advanced one of our nefarious plans toward world domination.
 
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Okay, so some musings about the situation around the SRA.

-Doom is pushing for repeal. It lets him besmirch us a little in the public eye (little win) and it lets him attract super-muscle (direct martial upgrade, big win). There may also be an angle attempting to make Shego turn against us.

-Shego is going to be pushing for repeal. This is her whole thing, after all, even if she doesn't trust Doom at all. She is a direct neighbour with a lot of military power. She trusts us enough not to attempt to user her brother against her, but no sense in allowing relations to decay. She can make our life very difficult.

-Olympia is not (openly) fighting the repeal. Deavor is probably planning to backstab super-heroes, but she wants to distance herself from Syndrome and she probably plans something that involves wrecking the reputation of supers in the eyes of the public, which could really hurt Shego's position. We may or may not be the designated fall guy. Robot duplicates may or may not be involved in the coming backstab. However, we can be pretty sure that any actions from this front won't be direct ones, she is a sneaky one of the type that operates through deniable assets.

-California beyond Los Angeles is noted to be broadly cape friendly, so probably not much opposition from that angle.

-Khan is going to oppose repeal. He seems to be overall anti-cape, which may negatively impact future dealings with him.

-No clue about the position of Xanatos or Glomgold or minor players like Zootopia (although the sheep will probably oppose repeal if she thinks it may complicate her anti-predator apartheid).

-Toffee, Doris and remaining apocalypse engines are probably indifferent, except in as much as they can use the chaos to further their objectives, although Toffee may actually oppose repeal if he happens to consider that keeping supers contained helps his plans against humanity.

-Mirage is actually at pretty safe levels of loyalty, so not a huge concern as long as we don't start reminding her of the old boss, but helping here may boost her loyalty some.
 
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I say we should campaign against the SRA for the benefit of villains everywhere. Villians should fight heroes instead of the national guard. Villians should have challenges to their plans that isn't a hail of bullets. The battle between Good and Evil should be a brawl between individuals so that they can become nemeses. Repel the SRA to help villains grow as evil people.
 
I say we should campaign against the SRA for the benefit of villains everywhere. Villians should fight heroes instead of the national guard. Villians should have challenges to their plans that isn't a hail of bullets. The battle between Good and Evil should be a brawl between individuals so that they can become nemeses. Repel the SRA to help villains grow as evil people.
Wait, of course, how could we be so blind.

Next turn, we Reach out to Shego with Diplo, we Repeal Insuricare's anti-super policies with Stewardship... and we perform Supervillainy with Martial.*

Why does Doof really want to repeal the SRA? Obviously we just want to make sure it's safe and affordable for the heroes and us Supervillains to get into a good ol' scrap.

*I am at least 20% serious about this suggestion, we have supervillain Queen Lizzie to stick on the action and everything
 
-Khan is going to oppose repeal. He seems to be overall anti-cape, which may negatively impact future dealings with him.

OTOH, Khan isn't US based, so I feel this is way less important to him than everyone else.

-Toffee, Doris and remaining apocalypse engines are probably indifferent, except in as much as they can use the chaos to further their objectives, although Toffee may actually oppose repeal if he happens to consider that keeping supers contained helps his plans against humanity.

Doris might oppose well, vigilantism just feels like it would be something the hyper-controlling AI would personally dislike.
 
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