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DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest

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Simon_Jester said:
I strongly agree. Shere Khan's got a lead on us in fusion, and while we probably have a stronger Learning combo to crack it with and might be able to race ahead of him, I think letting him have this one and cooperating with him with a Diplo action turn after next...
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Of course, if we want to make money while supporting the cause of Greevil, there are plenty of options, like recycling devices to help make a dent in that wall of trash in the wastelands.
 
Just remember we are playing a human, "ocelot" villain. A nice one but a villain. So let us rule and crush those that oppose us.
 
Simon_Jester said:
OK, but it won't help with Learning.

The point is, Ludivine is insanely valuable on Learning actions and will be until we have at least one or two more Learning heroes with stats in the mid-30s. Having her spend a turn tinkering with the Martian robot just doesn't feel like an efficient use of her time until then.
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Also, like, unlike like, say, Max. Ludivine doesn't strike me a hero who isn't going to be sad to be continuously assigned to research fascinating new technological discoveries untouched by man or duck.

King Arthur said:
This is the kind of talk I was talking about.
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Yeah... not a super fan of these either.
 
weredrago2 said:
I will say, that's probably the one issue I've had in regards to DoofQuest. We tried making a consistent timeline for DVV Classic and it blew up in our face because you can't make 40+ time periods play nice with each other. Same is true for Gridlocked, which has a broad span of decades that can't be compromised with one another.

My own campaign dodged references to any years because dating everything is ultimately a sucker's game, and I've adopted a similar mindset with DoofQuest. Mentally scrubbing it because it isn't affecting anything else besides raising more questions.
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That's fair, but I honestly think we could make the worst of it be okay. I figure it's like... most of the Kings "won" their respective series a few years before setting start, depending on how long they needed to consolidate power. The fact that nominally most of these Disney movies and TV series are set in different time periods isn't all that important, most of them can be yanked forwards in time by several decades if you're willing to bullshit a little and use the "this is an alternate timeline that only broadly resembles real life historical details"

Eh. That's my feeling anyway.
 
Nystical said:
How about instead we just re-brand Insuricare completely?

With a whole new motto:
"Like a good neighbor, evil is there!"
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jonasquinn said:
Doofenshmirtz Evil Insurance
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Ah, the difficulty of having a job and being part of a very active thread. I had to go through something like ten/fifteen pages just to say

I have a beautiful idea for a slogan for Doofenshmirtz Evil Insurance: "Just because we're evil, doesn't mean we don't care."
 
Simon_Jester said:
That's fair, but I honestly think we could make the worst of it be okay. I figure it's like... most of the Kings "won" their respective series a few years before setting start, depending on how long they needed to consolidate power. The fact that nominally most of these Disney movies and TV series are set in different time periods isn't all that important, most of them can be yanked forwards in time by several decades if you're willing to bullshit a little and use the "this is an alternate timeline that only broadly resembles real life historical details"

Eh. That's my feeling anyway.
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in some cases time is significantly distorted just look at the recent updates which say that shego started her career in the 1960s and it being 2016 in quest.
 
Simon_Jester said:
You can feel Mirage's guilt in the way this was written. But, yes.

Oof. Screw this, I'm saying 'super' even for the people who technically have no powers, then.

@Made in Heaven , 1961 sounds a little early to be the end of the Golden Age if the present day is 2015, unless we're paradoxing hard. If you say "we're paradoxing hard," I'm not going to complain, but...

After passage of the SHA, Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl hang up their costumes, marry, and conceive two children. The eldest, Violet, is like... fifteen by the events of The Incredibles. If the Golden Age ended in the early 1960s, then that means the events of The Incredibles are taking place around... no later than the early 1980s, I'd think. 30-35 years ago. And yet Syndrome and Mirage haven't aged that much; you wouldn't think it had been more than 10-15 years, at most, since the events of the movie. They're both mature adults in the movie; they'd be nearing retirement age by now if the movie had happened in the '80s.

Again, "paradox be bullshit" is a valid response to this, but it would also be reasonable to posit that the events of The Incredibles took place around, say... 2010, coincidentally near the weighted average of the release dates of the two movies, after a roughly twenty-year SHA period that began around 1990.

That's surprising, but Evelyn Deavor may be planning some kind of deep-cover bullshit involving Screenslaver-type activities. She did in canon, after all. Alternatively, she may just not feel the same way about supers that she does in canon, or she may be mad over what happened to her company and care more about that than about supers.

Good to know. A lot of those supers may be villains by any reasonable standard, but with the notable exception of Momokase, they'll still defend their turf against invasion by a bunch of crazy supertoons.

Not surprising, not surprising.

And yet, we know in canon that the Deavors did this... and yet Evelyn was playing silly buggers behind the scenes. :(

Well, it's definitely worth taking a stance. The DC of doing it well is challenging, but with our double-action action having come through, we can probably afford to do something like "promote repeal of the SRA" and "reach out to Shego" next turn. There might even be some synergy there.

Possible, but that would leave Mirage continuing to work for Syndrome for years after the moment that in canon inspired her heel-face turn. She could have left his employ at any time if she really wanted to, with no more than a few months' prep time. Someone like Xanatos would have hired her without a second thought.

There are a LOT of 'dark endings' for The Incredibles that end with Bob dead, Syndrome triumphant, and Helen and the children alive.

Mirage obviously has a LOT of guilt and isn't ready to admit her personal involvement in the deaths of those supers in this report. She's trying to soften the wording, when she would otherwise write something like "they're dead, I killed them all, God forgive me."
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You see, the problem with Technor is we only have one of him. Everyone in this joint needs therapy, ASAP.

weredrago2 said:
He's been trapped in Drusselstein for like a thousand years. You tell me whether he wants to get out of a Fourth World Country.
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Excuse me, THE Fourth World Country. I say that because it's the only one.
 
Bardic_Knowledge said:
Ah, the difficulty of having a job and being part of a very active thread. I had to go through something like ten/fifteen pages just to say

I have a beautiful idea for a slogan for Doofenshmirtz Evil Insurance: "Just because we're evil, doesn't mean we don't care."
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ExNihilo said:
They write themselves!

"All insurance companies are evil. We just admit it"

"We're literally owned by a mad scientist, you think a threatening letter will phase is?"
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"We're secure enough in our evilness not to need to prove it by denying your claims!"

firefrog600 said:
in some cases time is significantly distorted just look at the recent updates which say that shego started her career in the 1960s and it being 2016 in quest.
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That was rather the thing I was getting at. If I'd been putting together a timeline, I'd work backwards from 2016, reasoning that the events of The Incredibles probably took place, oh... let's say five years ago, around 2011. Violet was born roughly fifteen years before that, and the SRA would have gone into effect some time in the early 1990s, roughly.

This also lines up pretty well for Shego to be in her mid-thirties. She and her brothers would have gotten into their super-ing right around the time the SRA passed. Being a bunch of kids they didn't appreciate how much trouble this could be. Shego tried to internalize this for a while, get a normal college degree (child development) and generally be a constructive member of society... but then at some point out of college she snaps and stops trying to hide her powers- which, by the conventions of 2000-era America, makes her a villain. The villainy gig is pretty good to her. Starting some time around 2005 or so, she spars with Kim Possible for some years, finally gaining the upper hand and establishing herself as supreme overlady of Drakktech over the intervening years.

It also also lines up well for people like Russ (again, mature adults in their thirties at least, I'd say) to be nostalgic for the Golden Age, as Russ is.

My honest feeling is that almost all the Kings' stories can plausibly be compressed into "they won their respective series some time in the past decade or so."
 
Lets handle Doom first since his thorn on our side then Toffy as our side project then Xanatos with the evil hats
 
Simon_Jester said:
"We're secure enough in our evilness not to need to prove it by denying your claims!"

That was rather the thing I was getting at. If I'd been putting together a timeline, I'd work backwards from 2016, reasoning that the events of The Incredibles probably took place, oh... let's say five years ago, around 2011. Violet was born roughly fifteen years before that, and the SRA would have gone into effect some time in the early 1990s, roughly.

This also lines up pretty well for Shego to be in her mid-thirties. She and her brothers would have gotten into their super-ing right around the time the SRA passed. Being a bunch of kids they didn't appreciate how much trouble this could be. Shego tried to internalize this for a while, get a normal college degree (child development) and generally be a constructive member of society... but then at some point out of college she snaps and stops trying to hide her powers- which, by the conventions of 2000-era America, makes her a villain. The villainy gig is pretty good to her. Starting some time around 2005 or so, she spars with Kim Possible for some years, finally gaining the upper hand and establishing herself as supreme overlady of Drakktech over the intervening years.

It also also lines up well for people like Russ (again, mature adults in their thirties at least, I'd say) to be nostalgic for the Golden Age, as Russ is.

My honest feeling is that almost all the Kings' stories can plausibly be compressed into "they won their respective series some time in the past decade or so."
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shego would be around 60 if she started heroing in the 60s. I wonder if people are capable of noticing the discrepancies.
 
Simon_Jester said:
"We're secure enough in our evilness not to need to prove it by denying your claims!"

That was rather the thing I was getting at. If I'd been putting together a timeline, I'd work backwards from 2016, reasoning that the events of The Incredibles probably took place, oh... let's say five years ago, around 2011. Violet was born roughly fifteen years before that, and the SRA would have gone into effect some time in the early 1990s, roughly.

This also lines up pretty well for Shego to be in her mid-thirties. She and her brothers would have gotten into their super-ing right around the time the SRA passed. Being a bunch of kids they didn't appreciate how much trouble this could be. Shego tried to internalize this for a while, get a normal college degree (child development) and generally be a constructive member of society... but then at some point out of college she snaps and stops trying to hide her powers- which, by the conventions of 2000-era America, makes her a villain. The villainy gig is pretty good to her. Starting some time around 2005 or so, she spars with Kim Possible for some years, finally gaining the upper hand and establishing herself as supreme overlady of Drakktech over the intervening years.

It also also lines up well for people like Russ (again, mature adults in their thirties at least, I'd say) to be nostalgic for the Golden Age, as Russ is.

My honest feeling is that almost all the Kings' stories can plausibly be compressed into "they won their respective series some time in the past decade or so."
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Unfortunately this is hard to argue for settings that are very heavily based on certain time periods. It's hard to explain why Mr. Incredible was running around in a city that looks like 1940s pulp action art deco in his glory days when shego was only a couple hundred miles away and yet hyper modern early 2000s, and meanwhile in the other direction you have freaking windmill blimps when Syndromeland still thinks genetics is a nifty idea to maybe get to eventually.

Roger Rabbit really needs to take place during the late 40s, because that was when the LA highway was first made, and that was when private eyes were a thing, and that was when animation was in the golden age you see depicted, and so on and so on across the settings.

Since several major factions either have time shenanigans, or require time shenanagains to not be 500 years in the future, the ultimate desision for these settings was for a paradox. An internally consistent paradox. Rest assured that there is a reason characters don't seem to notice something wrong, even if that reason changes depending on who's running the game.

I think it's a fair bet the question will at least be touched upon in Doofquest, considering that Suspicious Minds mentions four major secret FBI bureaus as 'Metahuman, Paranormal, Extraterrestrial, and Chronoanomalous'.
 
I find it pretty easy to ignore the architecture of the Incredibles, and everything else is either Doom, fits the time period perfectly fine, or is at least close enough, or is actually literally from the future via time travel.

Roger Rabbit is the only one that you can't ignore it had to happen in the past but, that's fine, Doom is a Toon and thus doesn't age, there are enough people in the real world that look like only five years older then they did 40 years ago. I just picture a slightly older Doom, he uses make up to pretend that he's aging, and that's done.

I don't see the problem with just pretending that everything happened recently, outside of literally just Doom, Doom was around for decades but still looks mostly the same.
 
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Arathnorn said:
Rest assured that there is a reason characters don't seem to notice something wrong, even if that reason changes depending on who's running the game.
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Question would Doofenshmirtz gain Insight if he looks into this or does is Diseased Lunatic trait afford some protection or is this not a factor we need to be concerned about?
 
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