- Location
- Earth
- Pronouns
- He/Him
DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest
- Thread starter Made in Heaven
- Start date
- Crossover
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
It's more like "he can outlive the civilization that imprisoned him."
Imagine if Hitler was immortal and in jail for what he did. Right now people wouldn't let him out in jail. But it's not just that we know what he did. It's that it's on some level personal. His is the name we talk about as the last Big Evil Guy to walk the Earth, the man whose name is a metonym for "vile mass murderer." He's part of our public consciousness.
But a thousand years from now? Two thousand? At some point Hitler's going to blend into the background of "ancient people who killed a lot of people." Much like Attila the Hun, for instance, whose name is known for barbaric aggression, but who isn't a metonym for barbarism, to the point where people write grudgingly approving descriptions of his life as a "great conqueror."
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Who remembers the kings of Assyria for the part where they tore down dozens of cities and sold the inhabitants into slavery and flayed the skins off their royal families and brought them back to Nineveh as trophies? In their day and in the specific region they dominated, those kings may have been as feared and as reviled as Adolf Hitler. But today? We know their names, we know broadly what they did. We're aware of the Assyrian reputation for conquest, tyranny, and cruelty. We know, intellectually, that all of this happened, but it isn't personal. It happened 2800 years ago, to cities and cultures that no longer exist in recognizable form.
Around 700 BC, a coalition of various neighboring powers tore down the Assyrian capital and took the last of their kings. Suppose he were an immortal thrown into prison by them. What could they possibly have done, in those days so long ago, to ensure that 2700 years later anyone would even care about the crimes of that king? They could carve it onto stone tablets and be sure it was recorded, but could they ensure that 2700 years later people would be reading the tablets and taking them seriously, rather than just having the imprisoned Assyrian king go "well, that history was written by my enemies, who defeated me..."
Realistically of course, it wouldn't matter. If Hitler is in Forever Jail and someone lets him out in the year 4700 AD or something, he's got no special power base and is probably not a threat. But Toffee has, apparently, a lot of magic at his disposal. He'll be a threat whenever he gets out.
Imprisoning truly dangerous immortals, the kind where we use the adjective "sealed" to describe them and not just "in a jail cell," is tricky like that.
Ah, so you're relying on rapid technological development to make him irrelevant. That might work, though the existence of magic becomes a significant equalizer allowing people with a primitive tech base to be a threat to people with more advanced technology.
Ultimately I think the problem is that:
1) We're terrified of his protective sister.
2) Despite his formidable powers, he can't outfight Norm Prime or Genghis Khan reliably, he can't out-Steward or out-Diplo any of several heroes we have in those categories, and so on. He might be helpful to have around as a plus-one on a quest just to increase the warm body count and make sure we have a bit more muscle on the team, but he's rarely the man of the hour when it comes to a National Action.
3) Does Hego actually have any invulnerability or anything? Or is he just super-strong? That ties into the problem with (1); if he does get seriously hurt working for us we have Problems.
OK, but... those burning fists of death... @_@
I mean, maybe you're right. But you can understand the sentiment.
We may want to throw Russ at another Intrigue action directed against Judge Doom. We've already pretty well neutered his security apparatus; this is a window of vulnerability for him.
It would, as I've speculated, be a great time to turn Alonso Hawk into a double agent by offering him something he simply can't get without our help anymore, and without which he will likely lose his job, namely actual intel on our activities.
If we're worried about Hego getting hurt, is there any chance we could have him take the Mongol boot camp as well?
ExNihilo
SPACE!
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Wait, isn't that the plot of The Fall of Numenor?
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
That does seem fair. If Lizzie can make power armor for ants, why can't she make power armor for Doofs?
Well, aside from "Doof is too big, he wouldn't fit inside."
If von Drake weren't so valuable on national actions I'd be all for it...
I think I might prefer to push for "reach out to Shego" and "reach out to Shere Khan." The former for several reasons including getting some information on the drug ring situation, and the latter because I want to collaborate with him on fusion power.
Flubber Pr isn't remotely within a safe roll off.
Our best diplo hero is Goofy, with a 32 loyalty + base state*. We have 18, for a total of 50. Add 10 for xp, and we get +60 to roll.
This means we would need a 60 or better to roll to succeed, or only a 40%. chance. Flubber campaigning isn't viable right now. Our best bet there is to perhaps consult Xanatos, offer him a share of profits if he campaigns since I suspect he's got thte diplomacy to actually do it.
*We can technically squeeze out 3 more points if we -5 everything else for Technor.
Oh dear, I see the crack shipping has gotten really out of hand.
Mattman324
you expected some anime, non-IRL giant robot, eh?
- Location
- Working in the basement on my giant robot.
Sure, I doubt it's a right now deal - given the massive DC it's obviously meant to be something we chip away at - but the occasional action that could chip away at it is probably a good idea. The literal hardest item in the game, harder than even convincing Doom to like us, couldn't be a red herring entirely, I don't think - that'd be like having a video game where the most involved, hardest, and most lengthy sidequest gives you starting weapons as its prize.
It's probably just related to the famine. But, you know, it's certainly notable that there were a lot of them that were otherwise pointless to the quest - unless, I dunno, Skinner decides he wants to cook people or some shit.
Somewhat. Sauron surrendered himself to Ar-Pharazon, the King of Numenor, and eventually wormed his way into becoming the top advisor of the King. He managed to convert the country of Numenor into worship of Melkor and inserted himself as High Priest. Said worship included human sacrifice. The entire time Sauron (of course) oppressed those who opposed him. Sauron then managed to get Ar-Pharazon to attack Valinor, home of Arda's stewards, to gain immortality. The Valar, said stewards, were forbidden to kill the Children of Eru and so they had to appeal to Eru (God). He then destroyed Numenor's navy and sunk the island with Sauron on it.
weredrago2
"Cowabunga, Shadow the Hedgehog..."
- Location
- Florida
1) Fair, she is pretty scary.
2) That's a good point. He's somehow middle of the road thanks to all of the weirdos you've collected.
3) Yes. He's about as super tough as he is super strong thanks to the power of his blue glow.
I do understand the sentiment, but people shouldn't be too scared to use him. That gets boring, you know?
Yeah, but from all the discussion I've been hearing boosting Goofy's loyalty is important so that we can find his secret. Helping him self-actualize by completing his degree and putting to rest his regrets regarding the X-Game incident seems like a surefire way to get that accomplished - and if it improves his stats, so much the better.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Yeah, pretty much. Only in some ways more, in some ways less.
The problem isn't that he isn't swole enough. He's got swole for days.
The problem is that he's kind of an idiot when it comes to things like "battle tactics" and "people who fight smart." Check his Glory Daze trait.
OK, that's kind of a relief. I've been a bit worried that he's sort of like a dumb version of Spider-Man or something, with extra strength but not much extra durability. Spider-Man can pull that off because he's smart and agile and so doesn't get hit very often. Hego is... not smart like that.
If he has some invulnerability, I'm less worried.
Yes, but we can have Goofy complete his degree without Ludivine's help. We just need to pick up another competitive Diplomacy hero or two so we don't need him as badly.
Damnit, I forgot the loyalty bonus. Gotta rework those posta later.
King Arthur
The Once and Future King
Does anyone know what the DC is on him completing his DC?
Cause if I recall right, it's two more success regardless of if it crits or not. So if the DC isn't bad, not sure how necessary Von Drake is there.
Cause if I recall right, it's two more success regardless of if it crits or not. So if the DC isn't bad, not sure how necessary Von Drake is there.
- Location
- NJ
weredrago2
"Cowabunga, Shadow the Hedgehog..."
- Location
- Florida
I mean, Spider man is pretty durable if you go by his straight stats in the books. About as tough as Luke Cage, the guy whose only powers are being strong and tough without the spider sense or wall crawling.
Actually, think of Hego as being in the rough range of Luke Cage. Maybe a notch or two higher.
We don't know if it's Goofy or Russ. Furthermore, we have options that are likely to increase his loyalty without taking up the actions of our best hero in both diplomacy and learning.
1. Max connecting with Goofy is likely to increase loyalty at some point, and max isn't nearly as valuable on action.
2. Boss talk/Technor for a boost.
3. Good actions, since it faids our evil negative.
4. Comedizing our supply-chain has good odds since it gives toons jobs, which seems like something he'd approve of.
5. Dealing with Doom, who we already hate.
6. Donald reunion.
7. Finally, I suspect that letting him garden would be a much more direct loyalty/happiness boost that something that traditionally takes four years.
Mojave
BWAAAH
- Pronouns
- He
Now seems like as good a time as any to refresh
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THE DOOFQUEST SHIPPING CHART
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- Location
- Landland USA
If only we knew someone with high diplomacy, technological knowhow, and edutainment experience...
- Location
- USA
Mojave
BWAAAH
- Pronouns
- He
Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair.
- Location
- Southbend indiana
There's always the option to put him somewhere he realistically would never be able to escape and no one would be able to free him.... You know like shooting him into the sun even if he survives he'll still be basically trapped untill humanity is probably long dead barring some kind of weird was uber magic of course
KitRougard
Blatant furry. Deal with it.
- Location
- wherever I feel like~
- Pronouns
- He/She
I still register my dream of calling up our illegal fireworks dealer with a slightly-less-illegal job offer
My hope is that her tutoring him will make it happen faster, and by extension bringing up his loyalty faster so that we can find out his secret sooner.
I want Wendy as badly as the next person. Heck, if we managed to upgrade Princess, we'd probably have a substitute diplo-heavy hitter as well. (though sadly she's likely to be a stewardship heavy hitter as well).