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MrHobbit said:
Yes, I am aware that LOVEMUFFIN rolls lower. I was referring to personal experience, which flavors the narrative. Narratively both Wendy and Ludivine know more about AI than Lizzy and they probably would have been able to lessen the confusion than if we had. The reason why we got dinosaur mounties is that we had Hego do the dino cavalry. MiH has said that the heroes we put on actions influences what exactly we get from them. To simplify this, I'm saying that if both Jumba and LOVEMUFFIN were put on Research Human Genetics and they managed to roll a modified 160 (Jumba would have to roll a 49 and LOVEMUFFIN would have to roll a nat100 and a 9), Jumba would give us a better result than LOVEMUFFIN.
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@Made in Heaven , is this true? Because I would THINK that in a case like this, the gap would be modeled by a straight-up difference in Learning stat, and that while we might get different results from different heroes, it would be a matter of different, not better or worse...
 
Simon_Jester said:
@Made in Heaven , is this true? Because I would THINK that in a case like this, the gap would be modeled by a straight-up difference in Learning stat, and that while we might get different results from different heroes, it would be a matter of different, not better or worse...
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You didn't actually mention him.

I mean, what sort of difference would you expect from putting Jumba and LOVEMUFFIN on the same action? Jumba just knows much more and much of his narrative is mad geneticist. Whereas LOVEMUFFIN is more of , err, generalist? I'm not sure if that really applies. They don't really have a strong narrative in this sense other than that time with Genghis Khan.

I don't think I have been clear enough in what I'm saying. I'm saying that the narrative of the heroes does influence the result and stronger narratives gives us a result which we probably would see as better. Jumba (or even LOVEMUFFIN) would probably get us better results than if we put Max on it, even if they all managed to get a 160 on it.

I mean, if we put Dennis on it it would end up as a massive series of coincidences that allows our countless legions of nameless scientists to take a leap forward in the field. That actually sounds like it would be fun to read.
 
MrHobbit said:
You didn't actually mention him.

I mean, what sort of difference would you expect from putting Jumba and LOVEMUFFIN on the same action? Jumba just knows much more and much of his narrative is mad geneticist. Whereas LOVEMUFFIN is more of , err, generalist? I'm not sure if that really applies. They don't really have a strong narrative in this sense other than that time with Genghis Khan.

I don't think I have been clear enough in what I'm saying. I'm saying that the narrative of the heroes does influence the result and stronger narratives gives us a result which we probably would see as better. Jumba (or even LOVEMUFFIN) would probably get us better results than if we put Max on it, even if they all managed to get a 160 on it.

I mean, if we put Dennis on it it would end up as a massive series of coincidences that allows our countless legions of nameless scientists to take a leap forward in the field. That actually sounds like it would be fun to read.
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I mean, what usually happens when we put hero units on technical projects they dont have the skills for is it's flavored as doof doing it. Like when we made CJ, we put Goofy on it but Dr. D was the one who pulled an all nighter coding her.
 
MrHobbit said:
Yes, I am aware that LOVEMUFFIN rolls lower. I was referring to personal experience, which flavors the narrative. Narratively both Wendy and Ludivine know more about AI than Lizzy and they probably would have been able to lessen the confusion than if we had. The reason why we got dinosaur mounties is that we had Hego do the dino cavalry. MiH has said that the heroes we put on actions influences what exactly we get from them. To simplify this, I'm saying that if both Jumba and LOVEMUFFIN were put on Research Human Genetics and they managed to roll a modified 160 (Jumba would have to roll a 49 and LOVEMUFFIN would have to roll a nat100 and a 9), Jumba would give us a better result than LOVEMUFFIN.
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Even if we go with this (and I don't think it'd be true), doing this would mean missing on:
-Dinosaur Weapons Platforms action unlocked, a (probably) martial action that seems really good considering all of our PMC ride dinosaurs.
-Large Carnivore Domestication research action unlocked, the (probably again) final learning action of the dino tech path.

I think that getting those 2 actions unlocked is better than the supposed benefits Jumba would give us for being him the one doing Human Genetics.

MrHobbit said:
Yes, I am aware that LOVEMUFFIN rolls lower. I was referring to personal experience, which flavors the narrative. Narratively both Wendy and Ludivine know more about AI than Lizzy and they probably would have been able to lessen the confusion than if we had. The reason why we got dinosaur mounties is that we had Hego do the dino cavalry. MiH has said that the heroes we put on actions influences what exactly we get from them. To simplify this, I'm saying that if both Jumba and LOVEMUFFIN were put on Research Human Genetics and they managed to roll a modified 160 (Jumba would have to roll a 49 and LOVEMUFFIN would have to roll a nat100 and a 9), Jumba would give us a better result than LOVEMUFFIN.
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@Made in Heaven could you answer if this is true?
 
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Hey, I just realized, both I and @QTesseract joked about making AI Alan Turing, but that'd actually work really well as a PR move. I mean, what could prove you've cracked AI better than having your Alan Turing AI take the Turing test and pass it?
 
Retrueno said:
Even if we go with this (and I don't think it'd be true), doing this would mean missing on:
-Dinosaur Weapons Platforms action unlocked, a (probably) martial action that seems really good considering all of our PMC ride dinosaurs.
-Large Carnivore Domestication research action unlocked, the (probably again) final learning action of the dino tech path.

I think that getting those 2 actions unlocked is better than the supposed benefits Jumba would give us for being him the one doing Human Genetics.
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It doesn't mean on missing out on those. It just means putting them back a couple turns. Besides, there is seemingly a mystery box to be unlocked by taking the Large Herbivore Domestication after the park is established.

Also, looking into human genetics Nov/Dec as we reach out to the Zaibatsu (which most people seem to be in favor of) might make Sycorax more likely to collab with us. I'm guessing that human genetics will be public. It will probably require sequencing DNA, which will entail DEI calling people in to DNA scanned. hopefully it is because +111 in genetics where genetics-based Megacorps roll with +70s is the best flex ever
 
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MrHobbit said:
It doesn't mean on missing out on those. It just means putting them back a couple turns. Besides, there is seemingly a mystery box to be unlocked by taking the Large Herbivore Domestication after the park is established.
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It'd mean missing the bonus those actions give us for a couple of turns at least. Besides my read on the mystery box was that we'd get ??? when the Dinosaur Park is established, instead of that we'd get ??? only if we establish the Dinosaur Park before doing this action.

MrHobbit said:
Also, looking into human genetics Nov/Dec as we reach out to the Zaibatsu (which most people seem to be in favor of)
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I thought most people were in favor of Establishing ties with Magic New York.
 
Lab_Accident said:
Hey, I just realized, both I and @QTesseract joked about making AI Alan Turing, but that'd actually work really well as a PR move. I mean, what could prove you've cracked AI better than having your Alan Turing AI take the Turing test and pass it?
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In terms of historical figures i'd want to resurrecting the power of AI, I have a lot of ideas. Elvis, Nikola Tesla...Oh, could you imagine if we brought back Walt Disney, like, the person? If anything would make Toons well-disposed towards us...Actually, how do animators relate to Toons?
 
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woweed said:
In terms of historical figures i'd want to resurrecting the power of AI, I have a lot of ideas. Elvis, Nikola Tesla...Oh, could you imagine if we brought back Walt Disney, like, the person? If anything would make Toons well-disposed towards us...
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So, on the Discord, MiH said that our AI dopplegangers would only be Heroes if it was narratively interesting enough.

So, with that in mind? None of this Elvis stuff (we've basically washed our hands of Hawaii anyway). Let's resurrect Freddie Mercury and Reform the band Queen!
 
Retrueno said:
It'd mean missing the bonus those actions give us for a couple of turns at least. Besides my read on the mystery box was that we'd get ??? when the Dinosaur Park is established, instead of that we'd get ??? only if we establish the Dinosaur Park before doing this action.

I thought most people were in favor of Establishing ties with Magic New York.
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That says ??? if it is established. That doesn't say ??? when it is established. The weapons platform is a Martial, which we don't exactly have heroes really suited towards taking. Oh sure, Genghis Khan, but I'd rather that he get modernized. Whereas Large Carnivore Research is probably the end of the research tree, but it will still take a while to accomplish. Researching Human Genetics sets the stage for interactions with our fellow Kings and could get Sycorax asking us to help them cure an oddly specific biological parasite.

Not from what I have seen. We've been set on reaching out to the Zaibatsu for a while, and I haven't seen much that indicates a massive shift in priorities.

QTesseract said:
That's why I said he seems to lead the field. Sevarius also seems to have 35 learning, like Jumba, but Jumba gets a +3 from 625 and another +30 in his specialty. Diane seems to have a 25+10 or a 25+8; either way, still less than Jumba. Of course, the real potential value in my eyes comes from cooperation; if we collaborate with one of them, we're looking at a ~180 bonus on a given subject, which is enough to take on some seriously hefty DCs.
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QTesseract tangentially mentioned the main bonus of getting Human Genetics done, that being +180 in genetics collaborations. Getting it done earlier will give them more time to notice us and think it over.
 
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sunsunsunsunsun said:
There are so many animation superstars we could bring back that weren't horribly racist. Why that one.
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Not to get into a debate (suffice to say, though Walt wasn't overly-tolerant for his time, there's no real evidence he was any more racist then any other man of the era, and, indeed, some evidence in his favor, most notably, his heavy campaigning for James Baskett to win an Oscar for Song of the South, which he did, thereby making him the first Black actor to do so) but, uh...We own Disney, as in, the company (nowhere near as powerful as ours, because they quit filmmaking in the 70s, but still), and, also, you know...This is a Disney-themed Quest.
 
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woweed said:
Not to get into a debate (suffice to say, though Walt wasn't overly-tolerant for his time, there's no real evidence he was any more racist then any other man of the era) but, uh...We own Disney, as in, the company (nowhere near as powerful as ours, because they quit filmmaking in the 70s, but still), and, also, you know...This is a Disney-themed Quest.
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UB Iwerks would be better then. He's the guy who actually drew all those toons.
 
On tempest domain and the cybugs: we're told time and time again that we cant understand eachother. Obviously this means we can't comunicate with them verbally, but it also implies we can't rely on them writing down their words in binary and having us decode it, even as a stopgap. The immediate thought is that they use binary but speak the digital equivalent of tantalog, but it could also mean they don't use binary at all and instead use something like base 17 or higher. That's bad for us, but could mean the cybugs will have a hard time eating their data
 
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Made in Heaven said:
Sycorax
[ ] Fulfill a military contract
DC 140
77+25+27+10+8+30 (Government Funding)=177
Great Success

Sycorax, at long last, revealed their promised rice crops to the United States government, having gone through additional months of laboratory tests. Now proven to have no adverse effects in human consumers, the plants are free to be grown across the entire nation, being able to acclimatize to all sorts of different environments and produce a sustainable harvest in a short amount of time. Coupled with Gen-U-Tech's advancements into the meat market, it is safe to say that the famine problems have been averted, with food prices, if not food variety, back to what they were before the collapse. Strangely, despite the return of staple crops, much of the Midwest seems to have gained a taste for cricket and algae.
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Why is this a military contract? I mean, the government contracting Sycorax makes sense, but why would the military do that?
 
TheGleeman said:
tbf, just because they are from the 40th millenium doesn´t mean that they aren´t still based on something from our times, depending on what happened
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Maybe. Do you know that? Because the chance that the Cybugs or MCP Programs can get to them as they are right now is super fucking low.
 
Mattman324 said:
Maybe. Do you know that? Because the chance that the Cybugs or MCP Programs can get to them as they are right now is super fucking low.
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I am simply arguing the fact that it´s not so easy to say that the further in the future someone is the more advanced they HAVE to be compared to you.

Technologicial development rarely is that linear.

But yes, Drossels realm propbably is significantly more advanced than us technologically if for no other reason than in-game balancing.
 
Some Toon headcanons: Due to Toontown being destroyed, Walt's EPCOT plans here were not for a new town for humans to live in, but, rather, a new Toon Mecca as the LA toontown had once been, that would shelter them from Doom (and make them, friends of and reliant on his company, thereby giving him sole access to them. Walt was many things, but he was hardly an altruist). Sadly, Doom got insider info on the project, and quietly sent a hit out. Walt didn't die of lung cancer in this world. With his death, and his company's complete abandonment of animation, and, indeed, most non-documentary films in the next decade, the plans for EPCOT were scrapped. Though many Toons do still use Disneyland as a meeting place, as it's one of the few places on the entire West Coast where they can naturally blend in, some even living in its shadow. Doom's made many attempts to destroy this last vestige of Tooniness in Cali, mostly averted by the hard efforts of other Toons, most notably a certain Mouse. And, of course, now Dr. Doofenshmirtz, The Toon's Friend, owns the place. UGH...Of course, sitting somewhere beneath Disneyland is said to be Walt's head, left in statis to be used to bring him back in the future. Probably just an urban legend: Many Toons have looked and found nothing.

On questions, rather then me elaborate waxing poetic about something that probably isn't true....Do CGI characters count as Toons?
 
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