Izon needed the business. It was a matter of literal survival. If he pleased the hunter, others from the lodge would come. People would hear that the new smith's hands could be trusted. The praise would make its way to the Kannagi, the masters of this land, and they'd honour the covenant again. He would repair their weapons, both common and strange, and they would protect the village from the monsters. If not, the chakra dodos would keep multiplying, and soon enough, the village's heart would beat for the last time.
Hm. Jun, in disguise, working to get the Pangilin Gauntlets fixed?
Nah, seems like it's Ui, who broke his gauntlets and needs them fixed before the Pangolins find out. BTW, it was an interesting interlude @Velorien. I like having to piece the context together.

Chapter 703: The First Lesson
Wow, love the title. Very fitting.

Also, it's hard to describe just how pumped up I am about being back in business. I'm so ready for some righteous face-punching (or reasonable substitute).

That wasn't all, though. His bloodline felt...deeper? Wider? He couldn't find words for it, but he could tell that there were places within it that he had never seen and that he could not reach.
It was just as smooth as always, so he did it again but this time he converted the overhand block into a curling limb trap and shifted the following push kick into a stomp to account for the reduced distance. There was no hesitation, no effort; his mind conceived, his body executed, no need for practice or consideration.
Ooh, Mangekyō Iron Nerve? Whatever it is, it sounds awesome! I'm looking forward to playing with it!

Was there something about the afterlife that made his bloodline different? He knew that his physical body was back on the Human Path and what he inhabited now was a construct; was that construct somehow more efficient? Was human flesh a barrier to the Iron Nerve, sand in the gears that kept the machine from running smoothly?
On further consideration, we-the-players shouldn't assume that this new boos is MIN as opposed to contingent environmental circumstances.
 
If Orochimaru wanted to get the Dog Scroll and Hazō's typical seal loadout, he could simply continue with the "yes, I am a good friend and you have rehabilitated me" act, wait a few weeks or months until he had the right chance, and then execute Hazō. So yes, this specific chapter content was not focused on being simulationist but the outcome was.
My imagining was that Oro was never, ever going to bring the Rift back to Leaf because he's taking no chances with it. As soon as it's back in Leaf (or nearby, whatever) Naruto is going to put measures in place to make sure Orochimaru can't trivially waltz off with it. So, if he wants to loot our corpse and hang onto the Rift, he has a limited window - we're heading back to Leaf right away and we're going to be around Tsunade the entire time. (He can't loot the Scroll from us on the Seventh Path, I assume? Otherwise any Summoner that dies on the Seventh Path locks their Clan out of ever having a Summoner again.) Not being around him in a way that would have allowed him to kill us without making it harder to run away with the Rift seems like it would have been both doable and something we would have naturally done.

Maybe I'm also miscalibrated on how badly he wants our stuff. I wouldn't have imagined he'd want it enough to incur even a 1% chance of losing the Rift or being tracked. He needs to fall off the face of the earth: the Akatsuki are going to be coming for him, and anything we know, they'll get out of us.

Again, I'm not that bothered (right now, at least - as a practical matter we're not going to be able to make use of the Scroll for quite a while) but it just doesn't make sense to me that this was inevitable once we took the seal. The seal doesn't impact how easy it is for him to kill us, but how easy it is for him to get away with, in that he can go missing and *then* end our life from a mile away. But that doesn't get him the Scroll.
 
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[X] Training Hazou: 4th Box

Love the idea of all the knowledge and reading and training Hazou did in life just kinda...slots together now that he's dead. If sleeping helps you process things normally, the big dirt nap clearly helps too.
 
Just to check: is this a thing you feel sufficiently strongly about that it actually needs to be litigated, or could we simply move on? There's a lot of decisions and worldbuilding that still need to be done; I haven't asked the other QMs about this, but I for one would like to focus on those things instead of having to figure out details of something on the Human Path that isn't going to be relevant for scores or hundreds of chapters.

If you really need us to spend time going through all this, we can. If you're willing to let it go and figure it out later, that would be great.
Thanks for asking. I do in fact care a lot about the specific way in which we were killed and about Orochimaru's reasoning for how/when he did so, but not really about what happened to our intellectual property. I will probably never stop caring about the reasoning behind our death, because "how did the rational quest die and what mistakes led to their deaths" is actually really important to my enjoyment of the rational quest and to how I can talk about it to others.

And about the Scroll...
I have now slept on it and decided to try to stop caring about that. It won't be relevant for IRL years anyway, and on second thought we should probably face some kind of permanent consequences for dying. Losing secrets and possibly the Dogs is a big enough consequence, even if we end up not spending much IC time in the afterlife due to time dilation.

TL;DR : I care about Orochimaru's reasoning a lot. I don't care about the secrecy of our seals, and I have decided not to care about losing the Dogs.
 
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Can we infuse the intact seal blanks we're carrying?

I'd also like to propose a new Hazopilot SOP of using the newly-improved iron nerve to keep track of time. Some minor rhythmic movement provides a known interval, toe positioning allows at least ten bits of memory without getting in the way - twenty, with four distinguishable positions per toe. With one-second intervals, that's almost two weeks per rollover. Any given twelve-day period would hopefully be eventful enough for normal sequential recall to handle, and linking it to bodily position provides baked-in timestamps.
Why would an internal property of this Path allow boring a hole to an entirely different Path?
The necessary hole already exists, we'd just be redefining the malleable landscape such that we're close to it.
 
Hazō hit the ground hard and rolled.
Land, sweet land! We hit the ground rolling.
Everything reminded him of a party where the hosts really wanted you to leave but were too polite to say so: slightly cool and everything fixed in place like stage-wrought 'smiles'.
Antihomeless architecture, the demiplane.
All that, and he had been stabbed in the back by Orochimaru?
Good information. Surprised he is surprised.
Yes, he would. Tsunade had been there, had understood that Hazō was under orders and not missing. She would speak up for the others. Kei could be with Shikamaru and her gazillion other loves again. Noburi could work on being a good husband and Yuno could work on not killing any woman who looked at Noburi for more than two point eight seconds. Mari could sink back into the sybaritic lifestyle that she loved, meanwhile running rings around Leaf's political elite. Hopefully, she would take the position as Clan Lady with Tsunade's backing.
Puuuure delusion.
He was dead, yes, but he was going to be a mature, stoic ninja about it. He was Gōketsu Hazō, Lord of Clan Gōketsu, the first runemaster in a thousand years, slayer of Deidara the Explosion Master of Akatsuki. He could handle this. It was just a setback. He knew of one rift that led out of the afterlife and maybe there were more. If that failed, maybe he could research something.
Speech! Leo pointing meme.
Actually, that would be exactly like her. In fact, that was almost certainly what she had done, damnit. He had been forcing himself not to think about this until now, but once he focused on it there was no way to turn aside: Mari had lied her ass off. There was no way she would end the world simply because Hazō had died, no matter what she had claimed.
Weak deadman's switch if "Do you sincerely believe your allies will deliver?" punctures the bubble - and tricky to arm, rearm self activating switches going into a precarious fight with Akatsuki.

Might be our most evil act if Mari followed through.
His second chakra coil. The one that Orochimaru had implanted in order to enlarge Hazō's reserves enough that he could summon Cannai to the battle. It was gone. There was a giant hole where it should have been, the parallel tracks of chakra surging through himself were once more only a single path, his maximum reserves reduced to only what nature had granted.
A surprise tool that will help us later.
Was there something about the afterlife that made his bloodline different? He knew that his physical body was back on the Human Path and what he inhabited now was a construct; was that construct somehow more efficient? Was human flesh a barrier to the Iron Nerve, sand in the gears that kept the machine from running smoothly?
Ooooohu.
The other man was older than Hazō, perhaps in his forties, with olive skin and scars across his knuckles. Familiar scars, the kind that came from live combat with one's fists. The robe that swaddled him was a shapeless brown mass, its fabric bland and unremarkable in its flat, even texture and color. It was secured with a piece of rope made of twisted grasses. The man's feet were bare but he seemed unconcerned about the rough and uneven stone they stood upon.
New Taijutsu sensei? Rough, fiber clothes suggest you cannot dupe gear or body by dying. Bet the newly dead "whale falls" were better before storage seals.
"Hm? Oh, Gōketsu. Yeah, you just need to hold onto them. Your memories, I mean. Go through them in your mind, mentally relive as much as you can. It's easier for some people than others. You'll make new memories while you're here; tying those to older ones will help you hold onto both." He raised a finger. "I said it will help. It'll let you hold them longer, but you'll always lose them eventually."
Never conceptualized fading away as losing more memories than you form new ones before.
"Things are fairly stable around the settlements. No one knows why, but I think it's because the escaping memories bleed into the environment and mold reality into something that those memories fit into. We all remember trees that stay trees, so the trees around the settlements do. Get too far away, things get wonky. That's the Wilds for you."
Seems like Daizen's death loop would have eventually broken down. Wonder if settlements stay in the same position relative to each other or wiggle around in a sea of change.

Genjutsu OP. Low chakra targets. Unstable reality. People hungry to feel novel sensations. Memory loss shortcut to hacking sacrificial genjutsu like Truth Lost in the Fog?
Hazō looked carefully and after a moment he caught what Daiji was pointing at. A region of the forest shimmered with a faint blue light. Searching carefully, he noticed two other such areas, widely dispersed.

"Dunno where they come from," Daiji continued. "Best guess is that somehow chakra leaks through from the first world. Anyway, there's chakra in those places. If you go to one and sit around, your coils will drink up the chakra. There's never very much and once it's gone, it's gone. Still, it's something. They aren't common and they don't tend to happen around the settlements as much...or maybe people are sneaking out and soaking up what's there. Dunno. Anyway, you'll probably need to get out to the edge of the Wilds if you want to find one."
Reminds me of Vagrants from Dark Souls. Feels like it will be hard to stay net positive on chakra in the deep wilds.
Daiji turned and leaped off the cliff, plunging down to the ground far below. Hazō rushed to the edge, but it was far too late to interfere. All he could do was watch helplessly as the only other human for miles around fell to his death.
No sensei. :cry:

The adventure rebegins! How long will the someone falling to their death at the end of the chapter streak go?
 
I'd also like to propose a new Hazopilot SOP of using the newly-improved iron nerve to keep track of time. Some minor rhythmic movement provides a known interval, toe positioning allows at least ten bits of memory without getting in the way - twenty, with four distinguishable positions per toe. With one-second intervals, that's almost two weeks per rollover. Any given twelve-day period would hopefully be eventful enough for normal sequential recall to handle, and linking it to bodily position provides baked-in timestamps
This seems like a lot of pointless fiddling for something we don't need. Is there a particular argument to be made for why we need this?

If we need something as players we can just go reread the updates. I don't see how giving Hazou internal timestamps is useful in any way.
 
This seems like a lot of pointless fiddling for something we don't need. Is there a particular argument to be made for why we need this?

If we need something as players we can just go reread the updates. I don't see how giving Hazou internal timestamps is useful in any way.
Timekeeping and memory-indexing are explicitly nontrivial in-character challenges.
He had been here for...a few hours? Probably? It was hard to tell without the sun or any other way to mark time.
"How do I fight the memory drain?" Hazō asked after a few seconds.

"Hm? Oh, Gōketsu. Yeah, you just need to hold onto them. Your memories, I mean. Go through them in your mind, mentally relive as much as you can. It's easier for some people than others. You'll make new memories while you're here; tying those to older ones will help you hold onto both."
Hopefully, establishing an appropriate SOP early will be beneficial to both of those. Once it's in place, we won't need to worry about tension between tedious wordcount and random "forgot to mention" screwups - it can just be something he's doing in the background, like maintaining campsites or precautions against chakra beasts used to be. Directly, explicitly leveraging MIN will also help explain Hazo managing better than the average afterlife resident.
 
Hazou's been in the afterlife for less than a day and has talked to one person. While I agree that these are not trivial challenges. They do not seem hard and it seems very likely that other residents have strategies that don't require Hazou's constant attention.
Other residents don't have the iron nerve, and I'm not expecting this would require constant attention - once the habit is established it could be equivalent to walking and chewing gum at the same time. Are you saying no effort should be make to keep track of how long it takes to collect a given amount of chakra, if we're doing that before heading into town? That seems like important data for future strategizing.
 
HAZOU: [walks off from the town into the wilds]
TOWNIE: Well, we're never seeing him again.
HAZOU: [returns after one (1) hour]
HAZOU: Afterlife's haunted.
TOWNIE: Wha
HAZOU: [sharpening kunai] Afterlife's haunted.
TOWNIE:
TOWNIE: Uh yeah I sure hope it is—
 
Yeah, but is there any reason to not do it?
It's a giant pain in the ass?
Other residents don't have the iron nerve, and I'm not expecting this would require constant attention - once the habit is established it could be equivalent to walking and chewing gum at the same time. Are you saying no effort should be make to keep track of how long it takes to collect a given amount of chakra, if we're doing that before heading into town? That seems like important data for future strategizing.
No, this seems like an extreme effort and I am saying it's not worth extreme effort. Minimal effort is fine.
 

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJhJ5E1hK2A

HAZOU

Six-hundred men,
Six-hundred deaths under my air dome,
'Cause I had one goal in mind.

No seals, no friends,
Only the things that I had on hand,
How will I reach my homeland?



MANGEKYOU IRON NERVE

All you have to do is level up your combats.



HAZOU

Iron Nerve?



MANGEKYOU IRON NERVE

[laughs]

Hello, old friend!



[Music cuts out.]



HAZOU

No. More Sealing.​

I see the true path

[÷)] Level Singing
 
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped
If someone attacks Hazo and he has two supplementals available, can he boost with defense with both substitution and reflexive MEW? Same question with sub and waterspout leap, and sub and phoenix rebirth. Basically can you cast two jutsu in response to the same attack.
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped

On a related note, can Hazou use Sub and activate a CATEARS in response to one attack? 2 Reflexive Supps, but only one jutsu
 
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