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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Cariyaga said:
...Unrelatedly I feel like Noburi deserves TYS for facing down Orochimaru unflinching. His is, uh, really low. So like. Not that high a bar to reach.
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"I failed to convince my brother not to get a bioseal, which I believe is a Bad End as per WoG. Then, due to my own behavior, I was barred from observing the operation, meaning I couldn't even try and keep my brother safe."

Sounds like a TYS, for sure.
 
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[x] Action Plan: Up to 100% More Atrocities Than the Competitors!
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  • Buy up to 6 FP.
  • Noburi:
    • Hazou's disappointed. He really wanted Noburi watching, but he screwed that up.
      • Hazou's been there; he'll skip the dressing-down.
      • Next time, treat Orochimaru like a pissed-off Tsunade.
    • Welcome to the 'I-pissed-off-all-three-Sannin-and-survived' club.
  • Follow Oro's post-surgery instructions under Noburi's supervision.
  • Cannai:
    • Summon him with Mild overcharge (immediately Noburi-treated) once you've recovered.
      • If successful, have him meet the team.
    • Reverse-summon to visit Dogs that might agree to join the Riftwar. (Optimize with the team.)
      • Be respectful. Be mindful we're nothing like Kakashi.
      • Emphasize the fight's importance. Note our service to Dog (message running) despite our war.
      • Accept any refusals gracefully.
  • Discuss ideas for sourcing chakra with the team and later, if they approve, Orochimaru.
    • We'll need oceans of chakra for Bosses, summons, runes, and Sannin SCs.
      • Hundreds of chuunin-level batteries, can use upwards of 400.
      • Ideally, they wouldn't be Leaf. (Allowing us to extract only Tsunade and Summoners, making it less likely the Akatsuki at Leaf notice.)
    • Use the Wakahisa Clan. It can't be guarded by Akatsuki S-rankers, so extracting them only risks the Akatsuki getting forewarning.
      • Could their spies inform them faster than we'd reach O'uzu?
      • Could we (with Tsunade/Leaf Summoners) sell the Mizukage/AMI on this? Kei, would the Mori back us?
    • Recruit Moon's ninja. Their village was ransacked by Hidan. If we explain our anti-Akatsuki mission, and pay tons of gold, any chance they'd assist?
      • Is there enough survivors?
    • Recruit Orochimaru's cultists. Orochimaru/Endo might know where their groups are; they may be populous...
    • Raid a minor village (Tea/Moon/Noodle) en-route to O'uzu.
      • Plan:
        • Trap it under Force Domes, Iron Earth, and Air-Leadeners.
        • Commence mass SC assault via Tsunade, Orochimaru, Mari.
        • Maris mass-freeze targets via TLitF, Orochimarus paralyze them, Noburi drains to unconsciousness.
        • Transport them in a net suspended between Tsunade's SCs.
      • It's extreme and it'll have lasting geopolitical consequences, but it significantly boosts our chances.
        • If we lose, there's no future anyway.
        • Is letting the kidnapped ninja go afterwards feasible? They'd be unconscious; wouldn't see runes.
          • Tsunade'll be there to hopefully prevent Orochimaru from Orochimaruing them.
    • Any other ideas?
  • Grind runic veterancy whenever possible:
    • Prioritize RER2. Invoke/Reroll/Timeladder per Hazou's preferences.
    • Secondary priorities: Ninja Radar, Force Dome. Target: reliable double-timeladdered infusion.
    • If we deplete our chakra, send Noburi and a Hazou SC to resupply from Orochimaru.
  • Misc:
    • Research Superchillers (no-prep yes-DoB).
      • Infuse deep underground, "burying" the rune's AoE to prevent storms.
      • Put a Force Dome above the test site to contain any of the Superchiller's AoE that may "spill out".
        • Burn the FD out afterwards, if unneeded.
    • Test how much earth Force Dome's chakra pillar pierces.
 
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ugh, please don't make me quit reading noumero
you can dress this up with nets and shit but proactively getting orochimaru to kidnap villages only ends in one place and it isn't heaven
 
Veedrac said:
ugh, please don't make me quit reading noumero
you can dress this up with nets and shit but proactively getting orochimaru to kidnap villages only ends in one place and it isn't heaven
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But but we need the chakra. :frown2:

I guess we can instead forcibly recruit them at gunpoint? That's one way I could see softening the idea...
 
faflec said:
But like...do we need the chakra? Doesn't we have subjects from Orochimaru and Leaf that we plan to bring with us to drain?
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Orochimaru apparently has so few of them that chakra was a bottleneck on his rune research.

Our ability to extract jounin/chuunin from Leaf for that purpose is constrained by the need not to alert the Akatsuki surveilling it.

This plan provides us with an ocean of chakra, far more than we'd get otherwise, and it'd allow us to get away with only extracting Tsunade and the Summoners from Leaf, no miscellanea jounin/chuunin needed. Significantly lowers the profile of the operation, raises the chances the Akatsuki won't be warned in time.
 
ProperAttorney said:
There might be a pro-social way of doing this with any Moon survivors? Hidan slaughtered most of the village somewhat recently, I don't think they'll exactly be opposed to what we want to do.
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No ninja with a functioning brain will allow Orochimaru anywhere near them without attempting violence.

Plus we need basically an entire minor village, a few scattered survivors don't have the numbers to give us what we need.
 
Noumero said:
(Tea/Moon)
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I think Noodle deserves mentioning too here, it's further from the Rift, but basically in a straight line from Leaf.
Noumero said:
30-50 ninja with 200 CR would yield us 6000-10000 CP, allowing us to summon all Bosses, armies of summons, and top up all Sannin SCs
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Reminder that Hazou cannot see CP, I suggest changing 200 CP to "chunin reserves" and removing the 6000-10000 CP reference.

Unfortunately this is not enough chakra. The Sannin clones need like 900 CP each, Noburi needs 5000 for his Bosses, Hazou perhaps 1500 for his Dogs etc. Estimate 50000 CP would be optimal, allowing 20 SCs of Oro and Sunny and full Boss Rush. Plus Hazou's ES chakra.
 
Noumero said:
I guess we can instead forcibly recruit them at gunpoint? That's one way I could see softening the idea...
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"Anyone who surrenders will be returned unharmed within a week, and paid in unmarked gold ingots proportional to chakra capacity - about 2% of your body weight for the average chunnin. Anyone who resists, basically the same deal, but there's some risk of injury during the capture process and you won't be paid half in advance."
 
Unless there's a sufficiently more effective option, the drawbacks of using a small village as temporary chakra batteries, even forcefully, is nowhere near comparable to the consequences of us losing here and now. It is not "pro social" to endanger millions for the temporary respite of hundreds - who will shortly thereafter suffer Pain's "peace in our time", anyway.

Edit: My primary concern there is logistical, such as escapees forewarning someone who could, eventually, get the message to Akatsuki. So timing and effectiveness are essential. An example failure mode would be a villager temporarily "outside" for errands or whatever. Or we can use a different approach, like @strange_person indicated above, either used on its own or in a carrot and stick scheme. In a world without opsec concerns, an obvious answer would have been to offer the resurrection of loved ones.

If a more palatable option to people with different priorities can be found, I'd be fine with that too. But for now:

[x] Action Plan: Up to 100% More Atrocities Than the Competitors!
 
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Sir Stompy said:
I think Noodle deserves mentioning too here, it's further from the Rift, but basically in a straight line from Leaf.
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Oh, I mixed up Tea and Noodle. Added.
Reminder that Hazou cannot see CP, I suggest changing 200 CP to "chunin reserves" and removing the 6000-10000 CP reference.
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Eh, I've seen plans that blatantly refer to the mechanics like this end up interpreted fine before. But sure, maybe I'll change it.
Unfortunately this is not enough chakra. The Sannin clones need like 900 CP each, Noburi needs 5000 for his Bosses, Hazou perhaps 1500 for his Dogs etc. Estimate 50000 CP would be optimal, allowing 20 SCs of Oro and Sunny and full Boss Rush. Plus Hazou's ES chakra.
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Yeah, I did think this might be way too little.

Hm. Do you think a minor has 250 ninja we can capture, and that we can transport them? Probably not, right?
 
Noumero said:
Yeah, I did think this might be way too little.

Hm. Do you think a minor has 250 ninja we can capture, and that we can transport them? Probably not, right
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I think we are likely to get a hundred batteries at most. Although it'd be cool if we could get 200. Minor villages usually have a couple hundred ninja, but some are going to die fighting and some are going to be out of the village.
 
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