This is actually a cunning and ancient art I learned from @eaglejarl himself, designed to make sure everybody has a chance to read the chapter where they might otherwise only see the main story. But why not. I can move it early.
Ah, that makes sense.

I will say, though: I skipped 8β and 9β at first, because I intended to read them after re-reading the other beta timeline chapters. So then when I got to 8β, I got confused and thought that it was the last beta timeline chapter.

Thanks for clarifying.
 
is voting from the side story chapter or from Chapter 692? If side story, can side story threadmark be moved to main threadmarks to make vote tally easier?
 
[X] Action Plan: Sunrise, Sunset
since doesn't have EM nuke deadswitch
@Left-Hand Mutant
Can you add "Don't Lie"? Given how hazou pilot lied to shika about his suspicions, i'm worried if he will lie to Oro about shadow clones if asked
 
selling my vote to whoever adds a cannai summon attempt btw
Done, with a caveat about only doing so if we have time to heal before reaching Oro.

Unnecessary —> unnecessarily. @Sir Stompy , you have this error as well.
Thanks, that's a big help. Fixed.

Spellcheck: "News" blackout, not "new" blackout.
Thank you, I appreciate it. Fixed.

Oh, speaking of which, @Left-Hand Mutant , did you give up on the asking-Oro-to-prefabricate-substrate thing? If so, why?
....I'd gotten less sanguine about our ability to create scores of RER onsite, so it seemed less important.
On reflection, sending that message, plus that we have the means to protect Leaf, seems useful. I'll probably add it back in when I get home.

Raincheck on this, but a part of me is going "ALARM ALARM SCREAMING IN KAGOME" at the suggestion of disclosing Naruto's secret orders. I make no comment on whether it is a good idea or not yet, but am simply voicing my paranoid concern.
This is a good instinct, and I appreciate it. I also appreciate the distinction between "alarm bells" an "bad idea".

In this case the damaging part of the secret; "Naruto is pursuing rift research against AMITY injunction" is something Oro already knows, as Naruto recruited him to do said research.

But I'd like more eyes on this, let me know what you think.

Suggestion: Also include Iron Earth Rune to prevent the obvious burrowing shenanigans.
Done.

I'd coach this as us suggesting that involving Leaf should be done from the start: something like "Has Leaf been linked in yet?" or similar could be said.
That's a much better frame, thank you. Implemented.

@Left-Hand Mutant
While I understand well your opposition to the bioseals, what's the problem with the EM Nuke dead man's switch? Seems like something we'd want to have no matter what.
Great question, glad you're asking.

Given that we're playing very nice with Oro in the initial meeting, and have almost no additional firepower to offer unless he joins up with Leaf, I expect he'll play nice and use our runes to enlist Leaf's assistance, so we're pretty safe until the Riftwar happens.

And the Riftwar is just to high-risk an event to have Hazou hooked up to a deadman switch that can kill human civilization. A 1/5th chance that we win but Hazou dies and needs rezing isn't great, but a 1/5th chance that we win but EM goes public is much worse.
Plus, if we lose, I'd rather risk Pain/AMITY than just end everything.

And I think it makes Oro *less* happy to keep us around as a long-term risk.

Does that all make sense to you?
 
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@Left-Hand Mutant

While I understand well your opposition to the bioseals, what's the problem with the EM Nuke dead man's switch? Seems like something we'd want to have no matter what.
If anything unexpected happens to Hazō and he doesn't make it to Mari (or whoever )alive then the deadman's switch triggers, even if Oro wasn't actually to blame. It has to, since Mari would not be competent to differentiate. Personally, I find that too high a risk to civilization.
 
If anything unexpected happens to Hazō and he doesn't make it to Mari (or whoever )alive then the deadman's switch triggers, even if Oro wasn't actually to blame. It has to, since Mari would not be competent to differentiate. Personally, I find that too high a risk to civilization.
Yeah, on the one hand, it actively incentivizes Orochimaru to keep us as alive. On the other hand, what if he fails anyway?
 
Adhoc vote count started by Velorien on Dec 7, 2024 at 6:00 PM, finished with 390 posts and 30 votes.


Huh. Looks like Armageddon Initiative is the winning action plan a second time in a row. We did have other plans for the next update, but I guess there's only so much we can deny the will of the people.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Velorien on Dec 7, 2024 at 6:00 PM, finished with 390 posts and 30 votes.


Huh. Looks like Armageddon Initiative is the winning action plan a second time in a row. We did have other plans for the next update, but I guess there's only so much we can deny the will of the people.
[X] Armageddon Initiative
 
Huh. Looks like Armageddon Initiative is the winning action plan a second time in a row. We did have other plans for the next update, but I guess there's only so much we can deny the will of the people.
I think we should actually be counting from the beta timeline interlude, since the "count from last non-interlude chapter" rule is intended to capture us voting for a plan and the QMs then giving us an interlude, not us voting for an interlude. The problem is that since it's no longer in the main threadmarks that's annoying to do.
 
I think we should actually be counting from the beta timeline interlude, since the "count from last non-interlude chapter" rule is intended to capture us voting for a plan and the QMs then giving us an interlude, not us voting for an interlude. The problem is that since it's no longer in the main threadmarks that's annoying to do.
Do it by post number. That's what I have to do every time people vote after the deadline.
 
[X] Action Plan: The Dawn's Demise
Word Count: <399 (desired)
Desired Duration: A few days
  • Authorize Mari's EM-Nuke dead man's switch.
    • Make another with Cannai, sending messages about EM Nukes to Leaf Summoners.
  • Sanity-check the rest with everyone.
  • Meet Orochimaru.
    • Send only Mari and Hazou, both as SCs. Avoid looking at potential seal elements.
      • Primes camp at the edge of SC range, under cover and concealment. Use SCSA/SSSA, Ninja Radar, etc.
      • Be ready to flee if things go south.
    • If the Medium heals en route, re-attempt to summon Cannai before meeting Orochimaru. Noburi provides immediate treatment.
      • Create the SC for meeting Orochimaru before the attempt.
  • Discuss the Riftwar:
    • Tone: cooperating on a mutually beneficial goal. Be concise. Don't extend the conversation unnecessarily.
    • Inform him about our capabilities: Air Leadening, Icarus, Force Dome, Iron Earth, RER1/2, Ninja Radar.
      • If he's disappointed, tell him many research avenues didn't pan out, and we prioritized protecting Leaf (per Naruto's orders).
      • Mention Rift Runes only if pressed. DON'T mention TRs.
    • Hazou and potentially Noburi's Clan Bosses agreed to be Summoned for this fight.
    • Noburi enables refilled SCs of S-Rankers/ejounin on our side. Like during the Dragonwar.
    • Suggested attack plan:
      1. Trap them inside a Force Dome. With Iron Earth to resist tunneling
      2. Open with a Multi-RER barrage under Air Leadener.
      3. Precision fire at slowed survivors via (now-calibrated/sighted) RERs.
      4. Mop up via S-rank SCs + Bosses.
    • Unsolved problems:
      • Hazou's most powerful offensive runes cannot be transported by storage or 7th Path. They must be shaped on-site.
        • Can we get 4+ hours within ~1 mile of their fortress?
        • Does Orochimaru have expanded storage seals, or a similar solution?
      • Hazou cannot produce substrate. For mass-producing runes, we'd need Orochimaru's assistance.
      • (If Cannai's summoning failed) Hazou doesn't have the reserves to summon Cannai.
        • Hazou suspects Orochimaru has a bioseal to increase chakra reserves. Ordinarily, Hazou wouldn't ask for the unearned power, but given the circumstances, would Orochimaru be willing to apply it to Hazou?
          • If it's permanent, we'd owe him a commensurate favor.
      • Our strongest offensive options require strategic amounts of chakra. We had expected Leaf to supply it.
        • Is there any reason not to involve Leaf? They provide two additional S-Rankers, several Summoners (potentially with Bosses), and chakra.
        • Be alert for his answer. Mari: attempt to determine whether he's deceiving us.
      • When does he plan to strike?
      • Does he have any idea which Akatsuki members are on-site? Numbers of other forces?
Updated plan below 399 words thanks @Noumero for the help. Still needs a couple more edits but the dreaded 499 has been avoided for now
 
I'm split between the two leading plans here. On the one hand, I'm not a fan of risking civilisation with an EM nuke deadman switch, or of getting a CR-increasing bioseal from Oro; on the other hand, Sir Stompy's plan goes into somewhat more detail than LeftHandMutant's about our capabilities and plans, like explicitly bringing up our substrate limitations, and I feel that we need some deterrent against Oro killing us.

Oh, speaking of which, @Left-Hand Mutant , did you give up on the asking-Oro-to-prefabricate-substrate thing? If so, why?
What details would you want to specify?
I'm reasonably content to leave it to Hazoupilot, but I'm happy to be convinced that some things need to be specified.
And I might need to go up to the 300-399 word bracket, so there would be a fair bit of extra space if so.
 
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Current status.

Adhoc vote count started by _The_Bomb on Dec 7, 2024 at 7:48 PM, finished with 143 posts and 18 votes.
 
[X] Action Plan: The Dawn's Demise

I want to do the things more than I want to avoid them. Hazo is already relying on Oro for the entire substrate budget, what's the harm of adding a little invasive surgery between friends?
 
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