[X] Lore Update

[X] (Interlude) Ino

[X] (Interlude) Hazou's Research Results

[X] (Interlude) Leaf's Hunter Nin, Tracking Hazō an Co.

[X] (Interlude) Snowflake's Perspective on the Goketsu Missing Nin Experience
 
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Scheduled vote count started by eaglejarl on Oct 13, 2024 at 10:56 PM, finished with 132 posts and 15 votes.
 
[] Protoplan: Seventh Path Shenanigans
Word Count: <299
Intended Duration: Until we finish Ninja Radar or Mirror Dragon (until then/1.4 solar)
  • Optimize all with Uplift to avoid offending the Bosses
  • Kumokugo
    • Explain our dilemma about contacting Leaf to her. If we wait too long we can't help, and if we go back too soon what we have might not be enough.
    • Offer suggestions for solving it, either leaving a dead-drop for Orochimaru in a place where he's sure to get it, or we could release her (or another Arachnid) from their oath and have them swear a more specialized one.
    • Once Kumokugo approves, enact the drop, leave a copy of Force Dome research notes as payment.
  • Cannai
    • We know that the war with Leopard must demand most of your attention, and we emphatically do not want to distract from that.
      • Aside from the problems caused by being absent from the Seventh Path Hazou knows there's significant backlash when Summons are forcibly dispersed and that could potentially impact the war effort.
    • Explain the situation with Hidan, although we are being careful, we might be tracked and attacked at any moment.
    • It would be incredibly useful if we had an S-Ranked combatant willing to fight them with us.
    • Hazou can't summon Cannai with just his natural reserves. However, with Noburi overcharge, there's a solid chance we have sufficient chakra.
      • If we can't, we'll train our reserves some and try again.
    • Assuming he says yes, wait until a DoB rest day and make the attempt. Take a Moderate from overcharge and a Mild from overdraw.
      • Noburi on standby for immediate treatment.
    • Introduce him to the team, make an effort to welcome him.
  • Research
    • DoB tracks: Ninja Radar, Mirror Dragon
    • Non-DoB track: Banshee Lover
    • Prep days: PLTR 125, Scry-and-Fry, Green Beast, Earth Enhancer, (2 more?)
    • Continue learning mednin
Feedback encouraged, since I'll be posting this more-or-less verbatim once voting opens.
 
Cannai
  • We know that the war with Leopard must demand most of your attention, and we emphatically do not want to distract from that.
    • Aside from the problems caused by being absent from the Seventh Path Hazou knows there's significant backlash when Summons are forcibly dispersed and that could potentially impact the war effort.
  • Explain the situation with Hidan, although we are being careful, we might be tracked and attacked at any moment.
  • It would be incredibly useful if we had an S-Ranked combatant willing to fight them with us.
  • Hazou can't summon Cannai with just his natural reserves. However, with Noburi overcharge, there's a solid chance we have sufficient chakra.
    • If we can't, we'll train our reserves some and try again.
  • Assuming he says yes, wait until a DoB rest day and make the attempt. Take a Moderate from overcharge and a Mild from overdraw.
    • Noburi on standby for immediate treatment.
  • Introduce him to the team, make an effort to welcome him.
A few questions about this chunk. One: how much do you think immediate treatment is likely to impact the time taken to heal the Moderate? It wouldn't be trivial to be down 6 (4 from -AB to PS and then 2 from the reduced crossover bonus from Sealing) (?) points of PS for a week if we were doing short cycles, but if Noburi can make sure it's healed before our next research roll (and we're doing long enough cycles) then it's less of an issue.

Two: do we actually need the Mild overdraw? It only adds another 16 CP (rounded up); granted, it's a small cost since it would heal in a day, but I'm worried it might interact with the overcharge consequence in some way and e.g. make healing harder. (I don't think we've ever actually tested the overdraw-overcharge thing?) Follow-up; can Hazō recognize whether the overdraw would make the difference quickly enough to decide, so that we could tell him to only do it if it's necessary?

Three: should we explicitly mention that Itachi is a genjutsu spec (and has that soul-sealing sword and Mangekyo Sharingan and whatever other tricks might let him inflict actual damage to a Summon on the Human Path) and offer to commit not to summon Cannai against Itachi, given the increased risk of actual harm to Cannai? (This might be considered insulting, but for the sake of transparency we might want to mention it.)

Research
  • DoB tracks: Ninja Radar, Mirror Dragon
  • Non-DoB track: Banshee Lover
  • Prep days: PLTR 125, Scry-and-Fry, Green Beast, Earth Enhancer, (2 more?)
  • Continue learning mednin
As an option for the two remaining prep days, could I suggest Life Illuminator Rune and/or Target Painter Rune?
As an additional rune (series) idea, which is a bit out there in terms of viability but might work:

Life Illuminator Rune
Rune

Creates a halo of light around living things with chakra in the (large) AoE. Should hopefully be easy, but should research it separately to make sure.

Target Painter Rune
Rune

This rune creates a halo of light around living things with chakra in the (large) AoE, except those whose chakra signatures have been input into the rune (ideally at any time after creation, but during creation is fine if that's what makes it doable).



If this works, it would then lead into making a Target Painter Rune with some highly damaging effect (if possible), which we could make our own fighters untargeted by. Might not work, of course, but possibly worth investigation.
 
A few questions about this chunk. One: how much do you think immediate treatment is likely to impact the time taken to heal the Moderate? It wouldn't be trivial to be down 6 (4 from -AB to PS and then 2 from the reduced crossover bonus from Sealing) (?) points of PS for a week if we were doing short cycles, but if Noburi can make sure it's healed before our next research roll (and we're doing long enough cycles) then it's less of an issue
Hazou was healed of a Moderate without impacting his research rolls by Nobs this past timeskip.
Two: do we actually need the Mild overdraw? It only adds another 16 CP (rounded up); granted, it's a small cost since it would heal in a day, but I'm worried it might interact with the overcharge consequence in some way and e.g. make healing harder. (I don't think we've ever actually tested the overdraw-overcharge thing?) Follow-up; can Hazō recognize whether the overdraw would make the difference quickly enough to decide, so that we could tell him to only do it if it's necessary?
As a general rule, Consequences heal separately, I see no reason for it to be different in this circumstance.

I guess we could as him not to overdraw if he senses it's unnecessary at the last minute, but Nobs can generate enough shifts on a typical Mild to clear it in a single day. So it hardly matters.
Three: should we explicitly mention that Itachi is a genjutsu spec (and has that soul-sealing sword and Mangekyo Sharingan and whatever other tricks might let him inflict actual damage to a Summon on the Human Path) and offer to commit not to summon Cannai against Itachi, given the increased risk of actual harm to Cannai? (This might be considered insulting, but for the sake of transparency we might want to mention it.)
I actually think Cannai would find this insulting rather than thoughtful. Regardless I would never risk our Best Boi Summoning him against Itachi unless it was part of a mass assualt.
As an option for the two remaining prep days, could I suggest Life Illuminator Rune and/or Target Painter Rune?
I'll take it into account but there will be other suggestions.
 
Feedback encouraged, since I'll be posting this more-or-less verbatim once voting opens.
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we could release her (or another Arachnid) from their oath and have them swear a more specialized one.
Have her swear the new oath, *then* release the old one.

Research
  • DoB tracks: Ninja Radar, Mirror Dragon
If we do hear back about rift runes, and any of them are achievable, those should probably take priority over Mirror Dragon runes.

Cannai
  • We know that the war with Leopard must demand most of your attention, and we emphatically do not want to distract from that.
    • Aside from the problems caused by being absent from the Seventh Path Hazou knows there's significant backlash when Summons are forcibly dispersed and that could potentially impact the war effort.
  • Explain the situation with Hidan, although we are being careful, we might be tracked and attacked at any moment.
  • It would be incredibly useful if we had an S-Ranked combatant willing to fight them with us.
  • Hazou can't summon Cannai with just his natural reserves. However, with Noburi overcharge, there's a solid chance we have sufficient chakra.
    • If we can't, we'll train our reserves some and try again.
  • Assuming he says yes, wait until a DoB rest day and make the attempt. Take a Moderate from overcharge and a Mild from overdraw.
    • Noburi on standby for immediate treatment.
  • Introduce him to the team, make an effort to welcome him.
This section(and the Kunokogo section, really) is pretty lose with wordcount.
We've explained to Cannai that we're being hunted by Hidan so many times that he's started making fun of us for it. He knows that have an Essie(him) fight with us would be super useful, and has suggested the idea to us at least once before. This could be trimmed down.

I'd like to use the space for the following:

Ask Snowflake for details about her shadow-element jutsu.
We're her trainer and build planner,we need to know.
We're missing-nin again, surely you can share with us now.

Ask Kei/Snowflake if the pirate ship idea makes logistical sense.
We'll visit islands for infusion days, otherwise keep the ship safe with FSB and SCSA.
This would let hazo work while changing locations, and let us keep genin/chunin pirates prisoner for chakra(restrained via combination of chakra drain and FSB ropes/handcuffs)
Would we be able to work out how to sail it?

Yes, I know you don't like the boat idea. But some of us do, and this is a chance to settle the matter while we have the wordcount to do so.
 
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Ask Snowflake for details about her shadow-element jutsu.
Fwiw I do think that asking Snowflake has a better chance of success but I don't think the improvement is worth the inevitable drama when Kei finds out we used her clones' agency to go behind her back for a promise she made to the Nara. For the sake of general Uplift morale and the need to cooperate with Kei I would rather ask Kei directly.
 
If we do hear back about rift runes, and any of them are achievable, those should probably take priority over Mirror Dragon runes
Sure, but a hearty mega doubt about hearing back so soon.
This section(and the Kunokogo section, really) is pretty lose with wordcount.
We've explained to Cannai that we're being hunted by Hidan so many times that he's started making fun of us for it. He knows that have an Essie(him) fight with us would be super useful, and has suggested the idea to us at least once before. This could be trimmed down.
Fair enough. Depending on what you want put in place.
I'd like to use the space for the following:

Ask Snowflake for details about her shadow-element jutsu.
We're her trainer and build planner,we need to know.
We're missing-nin again, surely you can share with us now.
I don't want to deal with the extreme amount of drama this is going to cause. Like nuclear reactor amounts. Oceans of drama. If we ask Snow we ask Kei too, and she's going to say no. So why ask at all.
Ask Kei/Snowflake if the pirate ship idea makes logistical sense.
We'll visit islands for infusion days, otherwise keep the ship safe with FSB and SCSA.
This would let hazo work while changing locations, and let us keep genin/chunin pirates prisoner for chakra(restrained via combination of chakra drain and FSB ropes/handcuffs)
Would we be able to work out how to sail it?

Yes, I know you don't like the boat idea. But some of us do, and this is a chance to settle the matter while we have the wordcount to do so
I am not interested in the boat idea. I am not asking Kei about it. Fork the plan if you want it so badly.
 
I don't want to deal with the extreme amount of drama this is going to cause. Like nuclear reactor amounts. Oceans of drama. If we ask Snow we ask Kei too, and she's going to say no. So why ask at all.
Put on your romcom goggles and ball harder

If we can kill the Akatsuki we can do this

We don't need specifics or anything but we need to know how good they are in a fight, surely other people partner with the Nara from time to time?

>worst she can say is no
 
Put on your romcom goggles and ball harder

If we can kill the Akatsuki we can do this

We don't need specifics or anything but we need to know how good they are in a fight, surely other people partner with the Nara from time to time?

>worst she can say is no
>Trying to optimize Kei's build
>Ask Kei if her Nara jutsu are goated or unlevelable
>She doesn't understand
>Hazou pulls out illustrated diagram explaining goated vs. unlevelable
>She laughs and says: "They're good jutsu, sir."
>Buy levels in them at her recommendation
>They're unlevelable
 
[] Protoplan: Seventh Path Shenanigans
Word Count: <299
Intended Duration: Until we finish Ninja Radar or Mirror Dragon (until then/1.4 solar)
  • Optimize all with Uplift to avoid offending the Bosses
  • Kumokugo
    • Explain our dilemma about contacting Leaf to her. If we wait too long we can't help, and if we go back too soon what we have might not be enough.
    • Offer suggestions for solving it, either leaving a dead-drop for Orochimaru in a place where he's sure to get it, or we could release her (or another Arachnid) from their oath and have them swear a more specialized one.
    • Once Kumokugo approves, enact the drop, leave a copy of Force Dome research notes as payment.
  • Cannai
    • We know that the war with Leopard must demand most of your attention, and we emphatically do not want to distract from that.
      • Aside from the problems caused by being absent from the Seventh Path Hazou knows there's significant backlash when Summons are forcibly dispersed and that could potentially impact the war effort.
    • Explain the situation with Hidan, although we are being careful, we might be tracked and attacked at any moment.
    • It would be incredibly useful if we had an S-Ranked combatant willing to fight them with us.
    • Hazou can't summon Cannai with just his natural reserves. However, with Noburi overcharge, there's a solid chance we have sufficient chakra.
      • If we can't, we'll train our reserves some and try again.
    • Assuming he says yes, wait until a DoB rest day and make the attempt. Take a Moderate from overcharge and a Mild from overdraw.
      • Noburi on standby for immediate treatment.
    • Introduce him to the team, make an effort to welcome him.
  • Research
    • DoB tracks: Ninja Radar, Mirror Dragon
    • Non-DoB track: Banshee Lover
    • Prep days: PLTR 125, Scry-and-Fry, Green Beast, Earth Enhancer, (2 more?)
    • Continue learning mednin

Oh, I've already said it on Discord, but I'll say it here to make it more "official."

I think Hazou should spend DoB Rest Days over on the 7th Path, serving as a Summoner Relay Messaging System for the Dog Clan. Cannai said that having Hazou do this would be a major boon in their war efforts against the Leopards.

If you'll implement this change, it'll earn my vote, regardless of whatever else the action plan has, or whatever future changes this action plan goes through.
 
Have her swear the new oath, *then* release the old one.
This seems needlessly untrusting. We didn't force the Arachnids to swear, they agreed to do it because they (I assume we explained?) understand the rationale. They're not going to blurt out a tirade of Akatuski-coercion messages in the few minutes between releasing the first oath and swearing the second, nor are they likely to refuse to reswear after we release them given that they agreed in the first place.
Ask Snowflake for details about her shadow-element jutsu.
We're her trainer and build planner,we need to know.
We're missing-nin again, surely you can share with us now.
I am not in favour of this. Like, at all. I would love to know what Kei's shadow jutsu do; I do not want either to go behind her back by asking Snowflake (who Kei considers to be a separate person) in order to exploit her crush on us and possibly-lessened attachment to keeping Nara clan secrets, and I also don't want to do the "we're missing-nin now, so surely you can do this thing that is actually genuinely a betrayal of your clan" approach. This feels like it will cause Kei to blow up in our face.

Fair enough. Depending on what you want put in place.
In the unlikely event that we end up with nothing better to spend the wordcount on, can I suggest my Elementary Genetics plan fragment?
[] Plan Fragment: Elementary Genetics (93 words)
  • Ask Kei if she knows anything about whether and how Elements are inherited.
    • If not and if he has time, ask Cannai how it works on the Seventh Path.
  • If not: ask the team if they know any ninja families (not Wakahisa!) well enough to know what Elements the parents and children had.
    • Kei's parents included, if she knows their affinities.
    • Importantly; which were they born with?
    • Be sensitive - families are a touchy topic right now.
  • If the team doesn't know enough examples, ask the Dusk Willow pack the same thing for dogs.
That's quite a lot of wordcount, so here's a shorter version (less good IMO but easier to fit in):

[] Plan Fragment: Elementary Genetics (42 words)
  • Ask Kei if she knows anything about whether and how Elements are inherited.
  • If not: gather Element data from the team (Kei's parents, ninja families known, etc.)
    • Be sensitive!
  • Failing the above: ask Cannai (if available) and gather data from Dusk Willow.
It's not likely to give us much, so if we have pretty much anything else to spend the wordcount on that should take priority, but it would be interesting to see.

Oh, I've already said it on Discord, but I'll say it here to make it more "official."

I think Hazou should spend DoB Rest Days over on the 7th Path, serving as a Summoner Relay Messaging System for the Dog Clan. Cannai said that having Hazou do this would be a major boon in their war efforts against the Leopards.

If you'll implement this change, it'll earn my vote, regardless of whatever else the action plan has, or whatever future changes this action plan goes through.
While I approve of supporting our relationship with Cannai, wouldn't this violate our Seventh Path contact restrictions? Cannai suggested it, so I suppose not, but Kei mentioned restricted meeting points when the team was discussing the original oaths. I'm also a bit worried about running into that E-jounin Leopard who wanted to hunt down Hazō for killing her brother (or whoever), but I suppose if we're just acting as a communicator that might not be too much of an issue. Maybe not something to do too predictably, though; I'm worried about leopards waiting till they see a dog get summoned, then attacking before we reverse summon so that we drop back in the middle of a fight and they skewer us before we can unsummon.
 
"we're missing-nin now, so surely you can do this thing that is actually genuinely a betrayal of your clan"
IN FAIRNESS the only reason people even suggested this was because we were straight up told missing nin do not know clan secrets, hence all the stuff we gave to Akatsuki are still considered clan secrets. And now anything we know is still considered secret to the Goketsu, etc. Doesn't change the overall point but legally speaking yea this is actually a valid argument 🗿
 
While I approve of supporting our relationship with Cannai, wouldn't this violate our Seventh Path contact restrictions?
I don't think so? We're not asking about the Akatsuki, or Leaf, and the dogs either wouldn't know (since they're not one of Hazou's personal summons, with frequent contact on the 7th Path), or they wouldn't say (as common Summons, their focus would be on the war effort, not about the politics of a foreign nation, on a foreign dimension, of an alien people).

We'd be Summoning/Dispelling Dogs from across all of Dog Country, keeping each Pack updated, in real time, with the movements and actions of all the other ones, with live and actionable information about enemy movements.

We wouldn't exactly be rumormongering the foot soldiers. And if, by whatever weird and outlying circumstance, a random footsoldier knows something about Leaf/Akatsuki, then Cannai can just order them not to tell Hazou, and/or make them swear an oath to that effect. Easy work around.
 
Fwiw I do think that asking Snowflake has a better chance of success but I don't think the improvement is worth the inevitable drama when Kei finds out we used her clones' agency to go behind her back for a promise she made to the Nara. For the sake of general Uplift morale and the need to cooperate with Kei I would rather ask Kei directly.
I don't want to deal with the extreme amount of drama this is going to cause. Like nuclear reactor amounts. Oceans of drama. If we ask Snow we ask Kei too, and she's going to say no. So why ask at all.
Ooh, not trying to pull one over on Kei. Make that into "ask Kei and Snowflake..."
Circumstances are changed, it isn't legally clan secret theft anymore. and we're much more able to get away with knowing a Nara secret or two now than we used to be. It's worth asking again.

Fair enough. Depending on what you want put in place.
Also on the list of questions saved for when we have wordcount:
"ask Kei/Snowflake for her analysis of hitting the rift site with a Superheater, then running off with the rift scar, without even making contact with Leaf or triggering a Leaf vs AMITY war."
 
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I don't think so? We're not asking about the Akatsuki, or Leaf, and the dogs either wouldn't know (since they're not one of Hazou's personal summons, with frequent contact on the 7th Path), or they wouldn't say (as common Summons, their focus would be on the war effort, not about the politics of a foreign nation, on a foreign dimension, of an alien people).

We'd be Summoning/Dispelling Dogs from across all of Dog Country, keeping each Pack updated, in real time, with the movements and actions of all the other ones, with live and actionable information about enemy movements.

We wouldn't exactly be rumormongering the foot soldiers. And if, by whatever weird and outlying circumstance, a random footsoldier knows something about Leaf/Akatsuki, then Cannai can just order them not to tell Hazou, and/or make them swear an oath to that effect. Easy work around.
Oh, right, that's a good point actually (not the main thing you were saying, but a thing I'd missed); we don't technically even need to go to the Seventh Path to provide communication. All we need to do is Summon one dog, have them tell us the information the pack wants relayed, then Summon a different dog and tell them; we wouldn't actually have to be on the Seventh at any point. We could do that on non-DoB days, even, if we could afford the chakra for the summoning.

I guess the downsides of not going to the Seventh are that we wouldn't be able to confer in detail with anyone other than our summons (who might be puppies) and we'd have to have scheduled check-ins (e.g. we couldn't be attached to a scouting party and told to unsummon as soon as they confirmed Leopard activity, then re-reverse-summon somewhere else to pass the message). But it would be a lot safer for us and much less of a cost to commit to. (Though actually the scheduled check-in thing might not be possible since time isn't one-to-one between the Human Path and the Seventh Path, so the dog group wouldn't know exactly when to make sure they were in a good position for us to check in.)
 
I support logistics for the dog clan if it will not violate Hazo's side of the infosec quarantine Oath.

I do not support asking about summoning Cannai. The disruption to his Domain/Territory battle is not worth running a proof of concept test imo.
 
IN FAIRNESS the only reason people even suggested this was because we were straight up told missing nin do not know clan secrets, hence all the stuff we gave to Akatsuki are still considered clan secrets. And now anything we know is still considered secret to the Goketsu, etc. Doesn't change the overall point but legally speaking yea this is actually a valid argument 🗿
I'm sure Kei cares A LOT about this. Like I'm 100% confident that she'll take this seriously and definitely not care that we're asking her to betray the Nara in spirit as well as law.

That seems like an easy sell. For sure.
 
I support logistics for the dog clan if it will not violate Hazo's side of the infosec quarantine Oath.

I do not support asking about summoning Cannai. The disruption to his Domain/Territory battle is not worth running a proof of concept test imo.
I'd actually forgotten about the fact that Cannai is constantly contesting the Leopard boss for control of his territory. That seems like a problem. I mean, maybe he can still do that if we summon him, but you're right, even a few minutes away might result in serious losses there.

@Sir Stompy, your thoughts?
 
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