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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Sir Stompy said:
New edit, how many atrocities can I pack into a single action plan?

Now let's try double-tap strikes
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I don't really agree with doing that. How are *they* going to get out? It feels like trying to play cute with the agreement we made with them. Unless... Hm.

Bind them, hide them, then tell them we'll let them out on our way back out, so it's in their interests that we survive in good condition?
 
ting said:
[X] kill them, in no uncertain terms

@Zampano can we do the same separation + interrogation as in Stompy's plan, just offering a quick death to whichever leopard gives more information, instead of offering to let them live? The implication and/or reality can be that we'll give a much more painful death to the other.

I feel like that has almost all the benefits of effective interrogation without the downside of not killing the leopard.
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I have edited the fork to reflect Stompy's updated tactics. Red sections indicate meaningful difference from the leading plan, while bold sections have minor line-edits to try and stay below 400 words.

Zampano said:
Note:
SCSA - Scenery Clone Seal Array
SSSA - Silence Shell Seal Array
[x] kill them, in no uncertain terms
wordcount: 398 words

  • Declare (-1 FP) that Hazou has Kagome's entire stockpile of SCSA and SSSA, plus what Kagome was able to scribe during our preparation time, and the remaining Banshee Fuckers, minus one for Kei (4 total).
  • Replace any expended seals on the Dogs, make sure we have CATEARS+MARS chains ready.
    • Give everyone chakdar
  • Follow Cancurunchu's lead with the wounded Leopards
    • Suggestion: separate them for interrogation. Promise painless death for the one who provides the most information.
      • Cancurunchu can threaten them with a worse fate
    • Propose focusing on the following information:
      • What was your target in Dog?
      • How many Leopards are nearby?
      • How far away are they?
      • How many jounin/chunin/genin equivalent warriors are there?
      • Any ranged fighters?
      • Are there any settlements/encampments nearby?
    • Suggestion: Leave the executed Leopard in a trapped Zone with SCSA/SSSA/skyslicers on the Zone border. Any potential rescuers will get sliced.
  • Based on the intel and chakra levels of the Dogs, present the following combat scenarios to Cancurunchu
    • Plan A - Retreat to the Dog to rest/recover chakra, leaving behind traps -- skyslicers on the boundary of a SCSA would be almost impossible to spot.
      • Set up invisible observation posts on the border with Shadow Clones/telescopes/SCSA/skytowers to detect the counterattack. Charge out to meet them, or set additional traps and wait.
        • Make sure to refill from Nobs at check-in
    • Plan B - Dig in here, fortify with skyslicers, Force Walls, SCSA, SSSA, Goo Bombs/Implosion Seals
      • If possible, set up the team in a Zone with cover, surrounded by Zones without cover, trapped with Goo Bombs/Implosion Seals
      • Disguise our traps using SCSA
      • Place skyslicers close to Zone borders -- make sure the Dogs know the safe routes
      • In the team's Zone, Hazou can go up 30 meters on a skytower and spot with a telescope, covered by the SCSA
    • Plan C - Go hunting for a Leopard camp based on the intel we got, tunnel underneath it from a safe distance away to maintain surprise. Then pop out and start killing.
  • Follow Cancurunchu's lead and go with whatever he thinks is best.
    • But, unless there are very few Leopards nearby, push for Plan C, or plan A if we don't have a good target.
      • Staying static against an unknown force seems incredibly risky.
  • Unsummon upon taking a Medium Consequence or fighting a clearly lost battle.
  • Use SCSA + SSSA when we make camp
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Sir Stompy said:
I don't care if the destroyed remnants of SSSA and SCSA leak. They're impossible to move without destroying. The ship has long sailed on skyslicers.
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Has it???

Separately, uh, I don't think it's ever been said anywhere that they are destroyed if you move them? They stop working, but that doesn't mean you can't retroengineer them...
 
Cariyaga said:
Has it???

Separately, uh, I don't think it's ever been said anywhere that they are destroyed if you move them? They stop working, but that doesn't mean you can't retroengineer them...
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Yeah? 5SB is a common seal in the EN, we very publicly used them in front of all the Bosses to kill the Dragons.

You don't get any bonus to research from destroyed seals. You could still reverse engineer them, but you'd need a competent research sealmaster willing to do it for you, and they're not common in any of the major villages. None of which have the Leopard Scroll.
 
Zampano said:
Note:
SCSA - Scenery Clone Seal Array
SSSA - Silence Shell Seal Array
[x] kill them, in no uncertain terms
wordcount: 375 words

  • Declare (-1 FP) that Hazou has Kagome's entire stockpile of SCSA and SSSA, plus what Kagome was able to scribe during our preparation time, and the remaining Banshee Fuckers, minus one for Kei (4 total).
  • Replace any expended seals on the Dogs, make sure we have CATEARS+MARS chains ready.
    • Give everyone chakdar
  • Follow Cancurunchu's lead with the wounded Leopards
    • Suggestion: separate them for interrogation. Promise painless death for the one who provides the most information.
      • Cancurunchu can threaten them with a worse fate
    • Propose focusing on the following information:
      • What was your target in Dog?
      • How many Leopards are nearby?
      • How far away are they?
      • How many jounin/chunin/genin equivalent warriors are there?
      • Any ranged fighters?
      • Are there any settlements/encampments nearby?
  • Based on the intel and chakra levels of the Dogs, present the following combat scenarios to Cancurunchu
    • Plan A - Retreat to the Dog to rest/recover chakra, leaving behind traps -- skyslicers on the boundary of a SCSA would be almost impossible to spot.
      • Set up invisible observation posts on the border with Shadow Clones/telescopes/SCSA/skytowers to detect the counterattack. Charge out to meet them, or set additional traps and wait.
        • Make sure to refill from Nobs at check-in
    • Plan B - Dig in here, fortify with skyslicers, Force Walls, SCSA, SSSA, Goo Bombs/Implosion Seals
      • If possible, set up the team in a Zone with cover, surrounded by Zones without cover, trapped with Goo Bombs/Implosion Seals
      • Disguise our traps using SCSA
      • Place skyslicers close to Zone borders -- make sure the Dogs know the safe routes
      • In the team's Zone, Hazou can go up 30 meters on a skytower and spot with a telescope, covered by the SCSA
    • Plan C - Go hunting for a Leopard camp based on the intel we got, tunnel underneath it from a safe distance away to maintain surprise. Then pop out and start killing.
  • Follow Cancurunchu's lead and go with whatever he thinks is best.
    • But, unless there are very few Leopards nearby, push for Plan C, or plan A if we don't have a good target.
      • Staying static against an unknown force seems incredibly risky.
  • Unsummon upon taking a Medium Consequence or fighting a clearly lost battle.
  • Use SCSA + SSSA when we make camp
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Fork updated again:
  • Removed bullet point with Seal Traps surrounding dead leopard as bait.
  • Still under consideration: Tunneling under Leopard Camp might be suicide - rules experts are still debating.
 
Nebulus said:
Sure, but is the social cost superior to the gain in social clarity we get? The expected gains seem at the very least positive IMO.
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these dogs viewing us negatively isn't itself too important. although we miss out on getting them as contracts. but the chance that they complain to cannai about what his summoner asked about is important. balance that with the smaller chances of hazou dying from not needing to kill an extra leopard, which is also important. but that death reduction chance is only if the dogs actually agree. I consider that chance to be too small to be worth it.

a little worried cubs will trigger the traps in the short term. chance becomes hefty over the long term, but if it happens a few years later we won't suffer much penalties.
edit: i guess cannai might still get a little mad now about that future possibility
edit2: but doggos would get mad as well and stop us in that case
 
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[X] Action Plan: A Warcriming of Leopards
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  • Declare (-1 FP) that Hazou has Kagome's entire stockpile of SCSA and SSSA, plus what Kagome was able to scribe during our preparation time, and the remaining Banshee Fuckers, minus one for Kei (4 total).
  • Replace any expended seals on the Dogs, make sure we have CATEARS+MARS chains ready.
    • Give everyone chakdar
  • Sanity check the interrogation with Cancurunchu.
    • Run our list of questions by him, are we missing anything?
  • Interrogate the wounded Leopards, most Intimidating Dog takes point.
    • Separate them and apply pressure (Mental Consequences) to get information quickly. Administer field interrogation.
      • What was your target in Dog?
      • How many Leopards are in the area?
      • How far away are they?
      • How many jounin/chunin/genin equivalent warriors are there?
        • Any ranged fighters?
      • Are there any settlements/encampments nearby?
  • Based on the intel/chakra levels of the Dogs, present the following combat scenarios to Cancurunchu
    • Plan A - Retreat to the Dog to rest/recover chakra, leaving behind traps -- skyslicers on the boundary of a SCSA would be almost impossible to spot.
      • Set up invisible observation posts on the border with Shadow Clones/telescopes/SCSA/skytowers to detect the counterattack. Charge out to meet them, or set additional traps and wait.
        • Make sure to refill from Nobs at check-in
    • Plan B - Dig in here, fortify with skyslicers, Force Walls, SCSA, SSSA, Goo Bombs/Implosion Seals
      • If possible, set up the team in a Zone with cover, surrounded by Zones without cover, trapped with Goo Bombs/Implosion Seals
      • Disguise our traps using SCSA
      • Place skyslicers close to Zone borders -- make sure the Dogs know the safe routes
      • In the team's Zone, Hazou can go up 30 meters on a skytower and spot with a telescope, covered by the SCSA
    • Plan C - Go hunting for a Leopard camp based on the intel we got, use stealth seals/jutsu to get close before attacking.
  • Follow Cancurunchu's lead and go with whatever he thinks is best.
    • But, unless there are very few Leopards nearby, push for Plan C, or plan A if we don't have a good target.
      • Staying static against an unknown force seems incredibly risky.
  • Unsummon upon taking a Medium Consequence or fighting a clearly lost battle.
  • When it's time to camp, use SCSA + SSSA to disguise it.
 
Man, I really dislike "Option A".

I don't want to leave our stealthtech lying around so that others can figure out our capabilities.
The fewer specifics are known about our stealth/concealment, the more effective it will be. The random kills we may get aren't worth the price of revealing our hand so early.

I don't want to leave lethal traps lying around indefinitely in unremarkable sections of enemy territory.

I don't think splitting the mission into multiple small raids and border defences taking place over 6+ hours will send the message Cannai wanted.

I don't think killing enemy raiders is the mission. Cannai is explicitly trying to show escalation by counter-raiding instead of continuing to just fight against raiders but otherwise leave Leopard alone.

I doubt our ability to spot Leopards(renowned for stealthy), and our ability to quickly intercept their course and set up meaningful traps.


If any of the current planmakers cut the bit at the end where we specifically advocate for Option A, I'll vote.
 
Sir Stompy said:
Yeah? 5SB is a common seal in the EN, we very publicly used them in front of all the Bosses to kill the Dragons.
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Yes, Akatsuki is aware of it. They already were, from us killing Kakuzu with it. I'm not aware of any other major nations in the EN being present for it? (There was the Kangaroo summoner, but as far as I know, she was from outside the EN, and so less of a concern.)
Sir Stompy said:
You don't get any bonus to research from destroyed seals. You could still reverse engineer them, but you'd need a competent research sealmaster willing to do it for you, and they're not common in any of the major villages. None of which have the Leopard Scroll.
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I wasn't implying you'd get a bonus to research, I was implying that it is significantly easier to make a seal if you know that seal can be made, and if you have a once-working sample of it working. You have a point about the major villages not having the leopard scroll, but it would certainly be better to avoid it spreading regardless, if possible.
 
Cariyaga said:
Yes, Akatsuki is aware of it. They already were, from us killing Kakuzu with it. I'm not aware of any other major nations in the EN being present for it? (There was the Kangaroo summoner, but as far as I know, she was from outside the EN, and so less of a concern.)
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For one, the Leopard Boss was present. So I'm not sure how much it matters to keep it secret from....the Leopard Boss.
Cariyaga said:
I wasn't implying you'd get a bonus to research, I was implying that it is significantly easier to make a seal if you know that seal can be made, and if you have a once-working sample of it working. You have a point about the major villages not having the leopard scroll, but it would certainly be better to avoid it spreading regardless, if possible
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This is true, but again there's a serious failure mode where we never use any of our good stuff because we're too afraid of losing it. This is a seal that Hazou is uniquely suited to defeating (Dog Summoner) so it's not as if we don't have countermeasures already.
 
eaglejarl said:
They were made of delicate paper and, because teachers were all giant meanies, they were soaked in paraffin. If the spark brushed against the hoop, the hoop would cease to exist a few moments later.
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Heya EJ it was pointed out in Discord that the existence of paraffin in Leaf implies trade in distilled petroleum products. Something that wasn't really done until the 19th century when they finally got gud at fractional distillation.

There are a couple couple incendiaries common to the period you could use instead.

Pitch - made from wood in a process similar to charcoaling

Oil - many plant and animal based varieties exist, olive, flax, linseed, whale etc

Naptha - raw undistilled petroleum

Or if you really meant to imply that trade in distilled petroleum products is common. I can work with that too. *Rubs hands together*
 
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Sir Stompy said:
Heya EJ it was pointed out in Discord that the existence of paraffin in Leaf implies trade in distilled petroleum products. Something that wasn't really done until the 19th century when they finally got gud at fractional distillation.

There are a couple couple incendiaries common to the period you could use instead.

Pitch - made from wood in a process similar to charcoaling

Oil - many plant based varieties exist, olive, flax, linseed, etc

Naptha - raw undistilled petroleum

Or if you really meant to imply that trade in distilled petroleum products is common. I can work with that too. *Rubs hands together*
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Chakra dinos when?
 
Sir Stompy said:
This is true, but again there's a serious failure mode where we never use any of our good stuff because we're too afraid of losing it. This is a seal that Hazou is uniquely suited to defeating (Dog Summoner) so it's not as if we don't have countermeasures already.
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I'm not worried about it being used against us. I am worried that we're revealing specifics about our abilities in exchange for very little.

SCSA and Skyslicers work better if it's unexpected. If people know to expect it, they'll be able to prepare counters.
We're likely to fight the Leopards again In the future, often in bigger battles with higher stakes. We'll want to use this move again. Let's not leave behind an easy chance for them to study it at leisure.
 
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[X] Action Plan: A Murdering of Leopards

[x] kill them, in no uncertain terms

I think trying to tunnel underneath them isn't likely to work, and given their stealth walking into an ambush is more likely than suffering from a static defense, but in a world with artillery jutsu I think the trade-off means this plan is still fine.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Sir Stompy on Jun 18, 2024 at 11:42 AM, finished with 809 posts and 25 votes.
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    [X] Action Plan: A Murdering of Leopards
    [x] kill them, in no uncertain terms
    [X] Kei Training Plan: None
    [X] Action Plan: A Warcriming of Leopards
    [X] do seance to find out how Satsuko feels about Noburi
    [X] [prep day] Substitution Rune
    [x] faflec
    [X] Armageddon Initiative
    [X] Noumero
    [X] Use Earthshaping on Satsuko and ask how she feels about Noburi
    [X] [prep day] Runic 2d seals
    [X] Have Noburi cut Hazo open (with consent).
    [X] Action Plan: Come and Fucking Get Some
    [X] Interlude: Noburi's S-rank Bootcamp
    [X] Interlude: Sasha's Graduation
    [X] Interlude: Jin Plays Catch Trains Honoka on Reaction Speed and Hand-Eye Coordination
    [X] Interlude: Bakuchioka, Revisited
    [X] Interlude: Mari Checks in on Yuuma
    [X] Interlude: Ino Completes Her Technique Hacking Apprenticeship
    [X] interlude: Shikamaru's PoV
    [X] Tsunade's Final Exam, v2
    [X] Interlude: Kei fighting Hyena
    [X] Interlude: Kei dreaming Ami and Snowflake dating Hazou
    [X] Interlude: SQUONK.
    [X] Runecrafting SOP: Infuse from another continent
    [x] Action Plan: Justice, Commerce, and Politics
    [X] [Kei Training]: Scary Lady
    [X] [Kei Training]: Flow of Life
    [X] Interlude: a selected chapter from an alternate-universe version of marked for death in which the players made different decisions such that QM fun is very nearly maximized
    [X] Interlude: In which Shikigami decides to not go to Leaf.
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Oh boy, a close one for once!

@_The_Bomb your vote is still not tallying properly. At this point I suggest you either pick a plan or be content with that.

One day we will figure out the tally I promote.
 
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