In general, ninja that aren't Hyuuga can't emit chakra from anywhere but the hands and feet.
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
yeah, that would be fine. although it would be fun to surprise the enemy with an invisible blade, then surprise them again next round with a longer invisible blade, then
once we're out of the currant research race, we can prep-day on both.
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All ninjutsu include pushing chakra out of the body, including activating seals and runes normally. I'm not talking about internal chakra, I am in fact talking about 'pushing a little bit of your chakra outside the body'.
Adhesion is something simple based on that, but it is not the same thing. It is a technique centered around careful, balanced application of chakra. Too much chakra and a person might push themselves away from the thing they want to stick to. Too little and they'll slide off. Adhesion is about using just the right amount of chakra, applied evenly to ensure a person sticks.
We've also learned recently that most dogs can't even do it, having never learned it due to their lack of climbable terrain. That shouldn't be a problem for most leaf ninja, but it's another thing for me to point to when saying that adhesion is a specific technique. It is not actually as simple as just pushing chakra out of your body.
I think it should be as simple as pushing chakra out of your body, including amounts that might be considered too little or too much to make adhesion work. Which is why I am against using adhesion for something demanding adjustable chakra output. Just push chakra into it the same way you would with literally any seal you'd want to activate. A little bit extra for a longer blade. It's that simple, no adhesion necessary.
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You know... If you can get the duration long enough (more of an item, less of a temporary thing), this is a civilian usable seal that would make them significantly more able to deal with stuff in this world.
On a more general note, could we use really thin runic substrate embedded in something solid to make replicas of our existing 2d seals that are much more durable (such as a storage seal that doesn't wear out or permanent force blade, etc)?
On a more general note, could we use really thin runic substrate embedded in something solid to make replicas of our existing 2d seals that are much more durable (such as a storage seal that doesn't wear out or permanent force blade, etc)?
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ah, sure, we can word it more vaguely and let Hazoupilot sort out whether Adhesion is the right mechanism or not.
Still runs into the issue where civilians being able to use seals makes them relevant to ninja warfare and therefore no longer scenery to be ignored. Making them cannon fodder for ninja is worse.
redzonejoe
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My counter argument would be that Ninja can (and probably do!) emit chakra from all over, but they don't train for it or have fine control over it, making it useless for things like jutsu. It should be easy enough to train in anybody who sees an advantage in it. The Hyuga have an advantage in being able to see exactly where the chakra would come from, but otherwise all ninja have the same chakra points available to them. Get a medical doctor or a hyuga if necessary to draw a little circle on your arm and you're all set to figure it out in an afternoon. Still not to the point of casting jutsu out of your elbow, of course, but maybe enough to activate a seal. Shouldn't be more than a 2-5xp stunt, imo.
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I don't think it does. It would allow them to do day to day operations much easier (harvest crops, chop wood, carve stone, etc) and better deal with dumb chakra beasts that charge straight at them or are immobile, but I don't think it would help that much against an intelligent mobile opponent.
That said, I think there is definitely opportunity to refine this a bit and upgrade most of leaf's jonin.
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There isn't always room for pork, to be clear. And obvious something isn't going to get added if the planmaker thinks it will be problematic.
But if you have a short, non-onerous request there's a good chance Sir Stompy will add it in exchange for a vote. Or just add it even if you already voted.
Plans work on compromise. It tends to lead to much better results. In fact, our Orochimaru superjutsu are the result of a bit of pork that I campaigned for.
Go right ahead and take it up with the QMs.
We need to figure out how to fix this. Minatosealing might do the trick.
yeah i'm trying to get a better idea of the chances. hypothetical example:
if one every 3 voting cycles has pork space. Of usual size about 3 lines. With typically 10 voters competing for the space. That sounds too competitive for me to try my hand at
I expect the Hyuuga have a stunt they figured out with the help of centuries of observation of human chakra systems.
That said, replicating their barrier shit is worth Orochimaru's time. Much less the seal applications. So I agree. Minatosealing seems like the most promising lead we have here.
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Assuming we work out force-wall shuriken, another straightforward application of the exact same seal would be mounting it on the end-cap of a long stick, with the pole perpendicular to the force wall. Umbrella, mobile barricade, cartoonishly oversized adze... all sorts of uses.
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Think of it in terms of word count. If your pork only takes six words (and there's a lot you can do with six words!) there will almost always be room for it, provided you're willing to spend some time yourself making cuts.
Of course, the best way to get pork in is to convince other people the idea is a good one. The more people are interested in an idea, the more room in the plan there will be for it.
IIRC, it took forever to get the arachnid chakra-conductive silk into a plan because only one person was passionate about it and it was upwards of twenty words. Even that managed to make it in eventually.
If you politely campaign for something small and non-onerous for long enough, it'll probably make it in eventually. Emphasis on "politely."
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Will do.
Oiy! @eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped
Let us train to emit simple amounts of chakra from our bodies!
What makes the Hyuga capable of this is the fact that they can see exactly where the chakra would be emitted from, yes? I suggest that with access to a medical ninja like Noburi, other ninja should be capable of the same thing. Simply have the doctor draw a small circle wherever chakra would be emitted, which a good ninja doctor should be fully aware of and, and then make available a small xp cost stunt to represent the day or so of training it would take.
I am not suggesting that anybody could cast a water bullet out of their elbows. I am not suggesting that the ninja should be capable of anything more than the most basic emissions of chakra. I do believe that activating a seal should count, however, since the seal itself shapes the chakra and all you have to do to activate it is push a little bit of chakra into it. Adhesion might be more difficult but manageable, up to you guys but I'd recommend making it a free addition to the stunt for anybody with Chunin+ chakra control.
In short, let Hazo buy a stunt (requiring access to a Hyuuga or ninja doctor) that lets him activate seals from anywhere on his body, where anywhere is not actually anywhere but specifically where his chakra emitters are located... which is, like, everywhere probably.
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It's not that competitive. Sometimes people ask for entire scenes, that's often a no or a soft no - wait for next plan. But if it's 20 words or less there's usually space. For example, this last plan had 299 words with absolutely zero attention paid to trimming, I could still easily have fit something pretty large in.
That said, the earlier you ask for something in the cycle, the more likely you are to get it. If you're asking the night before close after I've already spent 45 minutes editing everyone else's suggestion into the plan. I'm not going to be happy about doing it. I might, I've done it before, but I might also ask you to wait for the next plan if it's not otherwise time sensitive.
There's some nuance too, if you've already asked for something this cycle I'm more likely to ask you to wait, other people have ideas too, leave some space for them. If I don't like the idea I might push back on it. I might ask you to explain in more detail about why you want something done.
If it proves controversial to my other voters I will likely cut it out and ask for more discussion to be had first.
But at a first approximation, just vote for my plan and ask for something and I'll likely put it in, or at least start thinking about where and when to put it in.
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Rules are sadly rules man, even if they prevent a very useful thing to go on. I guess it must have been a problem in other threads or sth, just not here in MfD where it's clearly a pretty useful features.
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If you wish to have Hazō go to a medic-nin and ask them to do this for you once you're back in Leaf, feel free to put it in a plan. Hazō is confident that it will not work and will get him laughed at, but he's tried weirder things.
Alright, now we just need kidnap Neji and torture him (probably by having him watch civvies be happy or smth) until he spills the beans about his bullshit.
Where does it say in the rules that mass pings of voters are disallowed? I am genuinely curious. I have read the site rules and never seen anything like that.
The whole point of mods is that they're supposed to implement the rules in a fashion that makes sense. So if it's clearly a useful feature in MfD I would expect a competent mod team could exercise a little leeway in rigidly enforcing the rules. Perhaps I ask too much.
Otherwise you could just have a bot do the enforcement and infract anyone who pings more than 4 (?) people in a single post. It's not clear where the line is here.
No, this is called a date with Hazo. Ideally a date with Noburi if Yuno is the kind of woman who thinks it isnt cheating if its two guys.
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Another potential nuke:
This was easy as a seal.
What if you make a substitution RUNE? This could have a whole bunch of potential applications depending on how the mechanics work out.
A few potential applications:
1. Transporting people.
Substitution seals could move seals. Perhaps runes could move people? If so and the range is long, this is a pretty big strategic advantage which could allow S rankers to concentrate and hit a bunch of different targets fast.
2. Dropping a mountain
Substitution seals don't have vertical limits. Could we swap a rune on a mountain for one over a target?
3. There's more but gtg.
This was easy as a seal.
What if you make a substitution RUNE? This could have a whole bunch of potential applications depending on how the mechanics work out.
A few potential applications:
1. Transporting people.
Substitution seals could move seals. Perhaps runes could move people? If so and the range is long, this is a pretty big strategic advantage which could allow S rankers to concentrate and hit a bunch of different targets fast.
2. Dropping a mountain
Substitution seals don't have vertical limits. Could we swap a rune on a mountain for one over a target?
3. There's more but gtg.
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@Sir Stompy
Speaking of pork, I would be delighted to vote for a plan that has a prep day for substitution runes or seeing if we can make beefier or longer lasting versions of 2d seals using runic substrate without a ton of additional research.
Speaking of pork, I would be delighted to vote for a plan that has a prep day for substitution runes or seeing if we can make beefier or longer lasting versions of 2d seals using runic substrate without a ton of additional research.
I am currently doing prep days in vote format, just vote for:
[X] [prep day] Substitution Rune
And it'll get counted by the tally. If it makes it to the top 10 or so ideas that cycle, I'll put it in the plan.
As for your second idea, I'm not sure I follow, is the idea to use runic substrate as a stand in for paper and chakra ink?