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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Here's another idea, it might be possible to activate seals using the chakra channels made with TH. The exact wording in the chapter was this:

Paperclipped said:
Sometimes, you make these weird little channels of pure chakra to redistribute chakra from one part of your system to another directly, when you normally wouldn't be able to transfer it because it would cause a counterflow or make the technique trigger prematurely or something.

"Well, those weird little channels of pure chakra? I think what the Fourth Hokage did is use those channels of chakra… to make seals."

Kagome-sensei frowned. "I don't get it."

"I don't think I fully get it either. But the channels basically let you move your chakra around with direction in a constrained flow. It's the same as chakra ink, and it's the same as the cave crystal used for runes. Well, pretty different given that it's maintained only by your willpower instead of any physical medium, but it's at least theoretically something that you could make seals out of."
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So if we research a seal that was activated by the presence of one of these chakra channels instead of chakra adhesion or direct activation, then we might be able to activate those seals from places other than our hands and feet. From what I remember, we can also activate runes through lines of substrate connected to a rune, and so something like this might be worth testing.
 
CaramilkThief said:
Here's another idea, it might be possible to activate seals using the chakra channels made with TH. The exact wording in the chapter was this:



So if we research a seal that was activated by the presence of one of these chakra channels instead of chakra adhesion or direct activation, then we might be able to activate those seals from places other than our hands and feet. From what I remember, we can also activate runes through lines of substrate connected to a rune, and so something like this might be worth testing.
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Sounds interesting, but we'll probably need to have the stunt to do this.
 
You know, if we assume that TH is the Calligraphy-stat for Minatosealing, then it might be that Minato had an insanely high THing stat in his pyramid build --possibly even as his capstone stat.

We know that Rasengan is a handseal-less jutsu AND that it's nonelemental. And both of those features are Hard Things to Do, let alone combine. And the fact that it's Weapons:12 (or whatever abstraction you want to use for insta-death) is only further proof that Minato had a high TH stat.

Then you factor in the fact that Minato was abusing the veterancy mechanic by creating seal chains for the Bijuu Seal, it indicates that perhaps his Sealing stat was lower than his TH stat.

Soon, we will learn enough to decipher that fuckwad's broken-ass build :V
 
ProperAttorney said:
Well, his sealing is at least 60 so... Not very low at all.
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Yes but Hazo's 51 Sealing makes him "the best Sealmaster in the world" so how good can Minato actually be

(I'm Extremely and persistently salty about that claim, but hopefully in a good-natured memey way and not an annoying way)

((And I'm aware we roll much higher due to SSA))
 
Zampano said:
Yes but Hazo's 51 Sealing makes him "the best Sealmaster in the world" so how good can Minato actually be
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tbf, even ignoring SSA you need to take into account that Hazo is like, 16 and he's only been sealing for a couple years now? So given his skill relative to time spent learning, the claim is less about Hazo being currently number one of all time, and more like he's so good given his age that he'll be better than anybody else was as the same age. Minato was that good at 25? We'll see how Hazo measures up when he has another decade under his belt.

Sure, when we bring Jiraiya back, he might be better than Hazo. But that might not be true even 5 years from now, let alone when Hazo is old and grey. Orochimaru might disagree about Hazo being better, but he's an old fart too, he was certainly not at Hazo's level back when he was a teenager.

Hazo is damn good. He may not literally be the best, but he's already competitive for the position and he's barely gotten started.
 
Hazou is, to be fair, standing on the shoulders of giants with his sealing prowess. On the other hand...

Is it not the remit of youth to surpass their elders?
 
Sir Stompy said:
Where does it say in the rules that mass pings of voters are disallowed? I am genuinely curious. I have read the site rules and never seen anything like that.

The whole point of mods is that they're supposed to implement the rules in a fashion that makes sense. So if it's clearly a useful feature in MfD I would expect a competent mod team could exercise a little leeway in rigidly enforcing the rules. Perhaps I ask too much.

Otherwise you could just have a bot do the enforcement and infract anyone who pings more than 4 (?) people in a single post. It's not clear where the line is here.
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Didn't FS tag like 3 people and got a warning for it in the past? Damn, the line for what constitutes as mass tagging is really low.

As for the specifics on where it's not allowed, from a cursory reading, I didn't see it specify anywhere in the rules. I don't remember when or where the topic of mass tagging become known in this thread to be illegal; I'm fairly certain however, that there was a case or sth in the past where we learned about it in MfD as I explicitly remember learning about it being illegal in this quest.

Well, I could see how mass-tagging could be an issue; Imagine a much less civil thread where mass tagging is used in bad faith, I could definitely see how it could be a problem for the mods. However, I fully agree that in MfD as far as I remember, have never used it in such a manner and it was a clearly very useful in plan-making changes. I guess the mods just couldn't make exceptions for us(?), even if MfD is way different in that regard.

As for the bot part, I never seen any thread that uses such a system(?). I think SV in general doesn't use bots for that purpose, and MfD isn't different in that regard.
 
Sir Stompy said:
Where does it say in the rules that mass pings of voters are disallowed? I am genuinely curious. I have read the site rules and never seen anything like that.

The whole point of mods is that they're supposed to implement the rules in a fashion that makes sense. So if it's clearly a useful feature in MfD I would expect a competent mod team could exercise a little leeway in rigidly enforcing the rules. Perhaps I ask too much.

Otherwise you could just have a bot do the enforcement and infract anyone who pings more than 4 (?) people in a single post. It's not clear where the line is here.
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Y'all are making this more difficult than it needs to be. Has anyone tried simply getting dispensation from the mods after asking politely and explaining yourselves? I.e. go to the Ask A Private Question forum and ask to be allowed to mass ping everyone from a list of consenting people in the context of a specific thread, because all of those people said they would like to be mass pinged and consider it a useful feature in the context of that thread. And if there is a rational reason not to allow that, ask them to tell it to you.


Edit: Here's the proposal to Ask A Private Question that I am envisioning.
( Title: ) I'd like to form a group that allows consensual mass pinging

Hi.

So I know that mass pinging in Quests is frowned upon. It annoys players and tries to hog attention. If everyone were doing it to everyone then the alerts would become a right mess.

But there's one Quest where it would be really useful. The voted in plans are usually edited again and again until the last moment, the people writing them are limited in number and the actually participating voters aren't many either (usually less than 20 per vote cycle and far fewer regulars). More importantly, people literally wish to be mass pinged and are frustrated with not knowing where the line between pinging a couple of people and a mass ping is. And if I understood correctly, the problem with mass pinging is the effect it has on the people being pinged. It's not some technical limitation, right? The server won't struggle because people in one thread, say, ping 10 people every 30 minutes for 8 consecutive hours every week or something? If the issue is server limitation then my request is moot.

So what I was imagining is creating a thread somewhere (would Just Chatting be the right place?) and linking it in the Quest. The thread would work as a recruitment and reference list to sign up for mass pings. Everyone who goes to the thread and writes "I'm willing to be mass pinged" consents to be in mass pings. Withdrawing consent is as easy as posting again or editing the previous post. A plan writer who wants to mass ping consults that thread and only pings people who have replied to it positively. Thereby they don't annoy anyone.

Is there any issue with my request?
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Thing is, I don't want to personally be responsible for maintaining the recruitment thread, or anything else related to this. I don't participate consistently enough. Hell, I'm not even sure I myself would want to be on the mass ping list right now. I'm willing to ask on someone else's behalf though, if everyone else is too shy or something.

I also think that the request should be worded more transparently when it comes to which Quest it is about. I just didn't want to presume doing so without QM dispensation. Not that I have even posted this anywhere other than here yet.

Thoughts?
 
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Rafin said:
Y'all are making this more difficult than it needs to be. Has anyone tried simply getting dispensation from the mods after asking politely and explaining yourselves? I.e. go to the Ask A Private Question forum and ask to be allowed to mass ping everyone from a list of consenting people in the context of a specific thread, because all of those people said they would like to be mass pinged and consider it a useful feature in the context of that thread. And if there is a rational reason not to allow that, ask them to tell it to you.
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We haven't done that because we (communally, including the QMs) have had repeated bad experiences with moderation, and drawing any kind of attention to this thread is, as such, anathema.
 
I would like to request a new topic of discussion before we get dinged for derailing the thread.

Proposes Topic: Doggos.

Any summons you're hoping to see on-screen soon? Cantilever is cute as a button, personally.
 
Cariyaga said:
We haven't done that because we (communally, including the QMs) have had repeated bad experiences with moderation, and drawing any kind of attention to this thread is, as such, anathema.
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There's got to be a balance with that. It's not that hard to talk to them in the right way, same as with actual law enforcement.

RandomOTP said:
I would like to request a new topic of discussion before we get dinged for derailing the thread.
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This is literally about introducing a new thread interaction tool to this thread in particular. It's not a derail.
 
Sir Stompy said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped

Based on Hazou's knowledge of Sealing, does he think it's possible to scribe his 2-D seals in a thin strip of substrate as opposed to chakra ink on paper?

To my understanding, there's a great deal of fine feathering and brushstroke work that couldn't easily be replicated in substrate. First off, does Hazou think he could do this at all? I imagine the chakra channels might not translate over to 2D sealing if the substrate is too thin.

Secondly, if he does think he can do it, are the analogies of the brushwork obvious enough that he wouldn't need to reresearch all of his seals?

Last, if he does think he would need to reresearch everything, does he think there would still be advantages over paper sealing? As I understand it, the advantage of Runecrafting is that you can use the three dimensional structure to pack a whole lot more effect than you can do in 2D. Does Hazou think the increased durability of substrate would make a difference in the power output he could get from his seals?
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Paper seals and runes are fundamentally different in design and structure. Attempting to replicate a paper seal in substrate using Earthshaping will not result in a functioning seal, much less a functioning pseudo-rune.
 
RandomOTP said:
Soon, we will learn enough to decipher that fuckwad's broken-ass build :V
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I think we should ask around about what weird unique feats Minato was known for other than Hiraishin, at some point, and what his combat style was like- it might give us a better idea what Minatosealing can do.
Presumably there are a few ninja in Leaf still who've seen him fight, but even if we're limited to people currently on the mission with us, I'd think Mari might know a few stories. Eyeballing the timeline, she might've been in Academy during the peak of his career, but her social circle in Mist must've included a fair few jōnin who fought in the Third World War, and therefore lived in fear of encountering the Yellow Flash.
(Also, Hazō is just weirdly ignorant of certain topics, and this seems like it might be one of them, so asking literally anybody might get us something.)
 
Velorien said:
Paper seals and runes are fundamentally different in design and structure. Attempting to replicate a paper seal in substrate using Earthshaping will not result in a functioning seal, much less a functioning pseudo-rune.
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Thank you. If I may ask, does Hazō have any other ideas on how to make seals last longer (given his pretty varied experience at this point)? I'm think stuff like a force sword that sticks around (or heat/cold stones, etc).

Also, how much of a boost would a force sword/force projectiles be for a melee/rw spec such as Rock Lee, Tenten or Noburi's summons? Would giving a bunch to Naruto make much of a difference?

@Sir Stompy
Thanks.
 
I'm not inclined to share Force Blades with anyone outside of the clan, from a clan secrets perspective. I think that summons are a grey area but probably don't infringe upon the clan's IP, as it were.

Given that Force Blades are not currently providing any boost to Ranged Weapons other than Weapon:4 IIRC, there is no advantage to giving RW specs Force Blades. They get a better benefit from explosive tags or goo bombs.
 
MMKII said:
Given that Force Blades are not currently providing any boost to Ranged Weapons other than Weapon:4 IIRC, there is no advantage to giving RW specs Force Blades. They get a better benefit from explosive tags or goo bombs
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I will note that there are no friendly fire considerations to using Force Blades with RW like there are for explosives.

That said, the benefit is extremely minor
 
charlesrwest said:
Also, how much of a boost would a force sword/force projectiles be for a melee/rw spec such as Rock Lee, Tenten or Noburi's summons? Would giving a bunch to Naruto make much of a difference?
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A decent boost for Rock Lee, I think Tenten is RW, so only a small boost if any for her, and Noburi's Summons are ??? but mostly ninjutsu spec I think. So not useful for them.

That said, I would 100% vote against sharing things outside the clan for now. Summons and maybe Tenten are probably fine but otherwise, nope.
charlesrwest said:
Thank you. If I may ask, does Hazō have any other ideas on how to make seals last longer (given his pretty varied experience at this point)? I'm think stuff like a force sword that sticks around (or heat/cold stones, etc)
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Hazou would need to do prep days on longer-lasting versions of these seals to determine this.

I am not interested personally, since we can just scribe more if we ever need one. We need combat power for Hazou and viable Akatsuki-killers, anything else is on the backburner indefinitely.
 
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