Did we get brevity XP for this update?
It's not clear what you want to research and what you want to do prep days on. It's not clear what you want to use SSA on. This looks suicidal to me on first glance.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
@eaglejarl can you confirm Hazō did these things?
This didn't get implemented, so we'll need a training plan for it.
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
It's just a rough "here's the vague idea" portion right now, I'm refining it as we speak
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
That would've been the moonshot ("Bonus points :...") yeah.
I admit I'm a bit confused on the confusion here. I figure'd the generic point of "It is an explosives rune, but far far deadlier if you get caught in the blast radius, because instead of an explosion, you're getting hit with Blackboxed Out Bullshit." would have been carried across, but I suppose not...?
I guess I don't really know what to specify here that could've made it clearer. To what extent can we blackbox stuff or leave it up to Hazoupilot? If we overspecify some stuff here, then its to our (mechanical) detriment, but if we underspecify, then I guess that doesn't work either. I personally don't really want to have to spend half an hour to write up a four paragraph documentation for each research thingy to be able to participate in this bit of the quest, mechanically speaking, so what level of detail is appropriate...?
Just to clarify it was hoped that this would allow us to
1) use this time to cast SC more often and get more SC XP and
2) that it would increase our base rate of XP gain per objective day by having us age quicker
It looks to me like neither one of these happened for this TR, is that correct?
@Paperclipped I think you're wrong about 5 tracks. Prime has one track and it takes 16 training blocks to support 4 additional tracks for 5 total. Hazou has 19 training blocks right now, and so since the TS cost 3 blocks he has exactly enough for 5 sealing tracks simultaneously.
Hazou SC XP: 3 XP/day base, 1 day spent at 1.6x (the moving day), 9 days spent at 0.4x (the sealing days), 2 days at 1.4x (the recovery days). 3*(1.6+0.4*9+1.4*2) = 24 SC XP
We also have 10 blocks to spend reading notes. So:
Orochimaru's Sealing notes #5: S:24, B:38, R:38
[X] Training Plan Hazou: TH 10
PS 18 -> PS 19 (38 XP)
Spend 38 XP
PS 18 -> PS 19 (38 XP)
Spend 38 XP
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Three extra hours per day is one way to model it, but another way is "a bonus day every X days", and given the mechanics of hours vs. days I think it's more valuable for us to try and gain days with this than hours.
Specifically, if Hazou is spending 3 hours per day undilated to FOOM on the Seventh Path and 21 subjective hours dilated, Hazou can complete a 24-hour subjective day in 20 hours and cram 6 subjective days into 5 objective days. Mechanically this can be regarded as just giving Hazou a free "bonus" day that doesn't advance the calendar every five objective days.
(Math: 21 subjective hours dilated at 1.25 ratio takes 16.8 objective hours to complete, plus the 3 hours of undilated time per subjective day means a subjective day for Hazou takes 19.8 hours. Round up to 20 and he saves 4 objective hours every subjective day. After 6 subjective days (144 subjective hours), Hazou has only spent 5 objective days (120 subjective hours), thus Hazou "saved a day" mathematically speaking.)
Getting a few extra hours per day to read notes and stuff is nice, but getting extra days of XP and research would be very nice, and in particular would help the temporal runes break even on investment while we research other anti-Akatsuki projects. Is it alright if we tell Hazou to use his time dilation like this instead?
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
[X] Training Plan Hazou: TH 10
[x] Training Plan: Kei
Deceit 30 -> 37 (-238 gen xp)
Shadow Step 20 -> 25 (-57.5 yam xp)
9 General XP Remaining
7 Yamanaka XP Remaining
(XP Calculations made after factoring the following)
[x] Training Plan: Kei
Deceit 30 -> 37 (-238 gen xp)
Shadow Step 20 -> 25 (-57.5 yam xp)
9 General XP Remaining
7 Yamanaka XP Remaining
(XP Calculations made after factoring the following)
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
Alrighty, maybe we should try some simpler stuff?
Explosiver Rune
An explosive rune but with a TN that starts at approximately 130 in the zone it sets off and scales downward from there. Otherwise identical.
Explosivest Rune
An explosive rune but with a weapon rating of "10", that counts as Weapon:Energy. Otherwise identical (TN to dodge is 100 at ground 0, etc.).
Problem Solver Rune
An explosive rune that is comically large. The area of effect is also comically large, radiating outwards from Zone 0 up to 6 zones away. TN reduces by 10 each zone. Otherwise identical.
Explosiver Rune
An explosive rune but with a TN that starts at approximately 130 in the zone it sets off and scales downward from there. Otherwise identical.
Explosivest Rune
An explosive rune but with a weapon rating of "10", that counts as Weapon:Energy. Otherwise identical (TN to dodge is 100 at ground 0, etc.).
Problem Solver Rune
An explosive rune that is comically large. The area of effect is also comically large, radiating outwards from Zone 0 up to 6 zones away. TN reduces by 10 each zone. Otherwise identical.
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
Boosting this, feel free to steal. I really think we should try and buckle down.
Aren't standard explosives too "mundane" to actually hurt essies? We know that Orochimaru sneered at Kakuzu for focusing on his "mundane" stats, and that Hidan was hit with every standard jutsu/weapon known to man, and lived enough to run off into the sunset. (insert grumbling about essie bullshit).
Aren't standard explosives too "mundane" to actually hurt essies? We know that Orochimaru sneered at Kakuzu for focusing on his "mundane" stats, and that Hidan was hit with every standard jutsu/weapon known to man, and lived enough to run off into the sunset. (insert grumbling about essie bullshit).
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
A lot of times when we try esoteric stuff it comes back as "Hazou thinks that maybe Hazou thinks this is impossible or maybe Hazou can maybe do this thinking" or whatever so I don't really have much to go on here. We are sending telegrams to a 17 year old to have him poke at a black box that spits out inaccurate answers.
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Some of the Akatsuki have shenanigans that could no-sell a "mundane" attack like that: Konan and Itachi/Kisame come to mind. Others less so: Sasori and Deidara in particular. Hidan's an odd case where he shrugs off pretty much anything that doesn't instagib him (note instagib instead of instakill), so a sufficiently powerful explosive may be good enough for him too. And even Itachi/Sasori, reverse-summoning in the middle of a battle is a desperation move, an act of last resort, because you can't know that you're safe to return again, so even they may get gibbed by a sufficiently powerful explosive.
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- USA
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- He/Him
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
I note that pretty much all of them would probably have to expend significant resources to deal with "Explosive Rune but you have to dodge it or you're seriously fucked up/dead", if we make it sufficiently difficult for them to dodge.
This seems like the simplest avenue to me at the moment beyond just recreating the EM Nuke, which we all probably want to avoid if we can. Our next runner up is hoping that the HOWS stuff materializes I guess?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Yeah, I think that this and TR75 are the best options.
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- USA
Alas, sometimes we come up with scene hooks that our fellow QMs are not interested in. Luckily, off-screening is no great harm.
What you want to use SSA on, if not specified, will be chosen by Hazoupilot. Probably research vs. prep should be distinguished though.
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- USA
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- He/Him
The vibe was more "I know I'm asking you to do the impossible, and worse, that you need to do that on a ridiculous timeline, but you're Gouketsu Hazou so I need to ask in case you managed to pull something ridiculous out of your hat."
In case progress on "killing the shit out of Akatsuki" is slow, Naruto says that defensive technology can also be useful. One of the biggest problems is Deidara's (and Konan's if Orochimaru's dossiers are to be believed) ability to strike at the soft target that is Leaf if Leaf fails to kill all of Akatsuki in a single blow. Neutralizing that could potentially change the victory condition from perfect win to just knocking out enough of Akatsuki for Leaf to have a decisive advantage. As a bonus, defensive runes would also be useful against the likely AMITY retaliation.
Naruto additionally notes that telescopic scouting revealed that the rift site was "swarming with Jashinists", so another branch of technology that could be helpful would be something that can track ninja over long distances to make sure that nobody escapes to contact AMITY if Leaf needs to assault the rift site.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
At least Naruto's being reasonable about not expecting us to have a solution to defeating essies in two months, something everyone else has been working on for their entire lives.
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That said, this does open up options. Runic Air Dome would be good for defense, probably.
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That said, this does open up options. Runic Air Dome would be good for defense, probably.
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HAZOU: I invented a village buster, does that count?
NARUTO: What.
HAZOU: I mean I actually invented it months ago with Akane and that's why everyone was so freaked out over her dying because it turns out that jutsu she learned from Isan can be weaponized to make Narakastorms and Asuma took it and destroyed Isan so that's why it's gone and I'm technically not supposed to tell anyone this but I haven't slept for 3 days and your social skills are really high and I'm just gonna go lie down now.
NARUTO: ...
HAZOU: *is asleep*
NARUTO: I should have just killed him when I had the chance.
HE GETS TO LIVE, FOR NOW
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So at an estimate, some sort of massive Air Dome (or equivalent) to protect all Konoha, and some sort of long-ranged chakdar that responds to and can track high (ninja-level) chakra density.
I've always thought we should focus on defensive runes.
It's just obviously what they are better at, what with then not being able to move and such.
I want to bring up the idea of the speed limiting rune again. It is wind aspected. It provides exponential resistance to air movement within its zone. Ideally it could be a tunable effect at inscription time. It would effectively prevent or impose a massive stamina penalty to ninja speed movement and projectile weapons, while also significantly reducing the effect of explosives. Anything trying to go fast would have to face the issue of pushing the air out of the way when the air does not want to go fast.
We want to target air only so peoples blood does not get slowed in their veins.
This would serve as a pretty strong counter to a large variety of the city killer techniques we know of. It could be tuned so that at civilian speeds there is nearly no effect except sneezing & coughing being extraordinarily uncomfortable. Maybe a bit of trouble during fast heavy breathing. Essentially a passive defense.
An air dome can be bypassed or broken and can only be activated once you notice an attack approaching, if there is one thing we should learn from the multiple times cities have been attacked during this game, it's that an active defense is useless if you can't see them coming.
Think about it.
When has there been a major time we were attacked or were attacking a city where the city got enough advanced warning to activate a shield?
Not during the tunneling incident.
Not when we nuke isan.
We need something passive that can be left active all the time.
It's just obviously what they are better at, what with then not being able to move and such.
I want to bring up the idea of the speed limiting rune again. It is wind aspected. It provides exponential resistance to air movement within its zone. Ideally it could be a tunable effect at inscription time. It would effectively prevent or impose a massive stamina penalty to ninja speed movement and projectile weapons, while also significantly reducing the effect of explosives. Anything trying to go fast would have to face the issue of pushing the air out of the way when the air does not want to go fast.
We want to target air only so peoples blood does not get slowed in their veins.
This would serve as a pretty strong counter to a large variety of the city killer techniques we know of. It could be tuned so that at civilian speeds there is nearly no effect except sneezing & coughing being extraordinarily uncomfortable. Maybe a bit of trouble during fast heavy breathing. Essentially a passive defense.
An air dome can be bypassed or broken and can only be activated once you notice an attack approaching, if there is one thing we should learn from the multiple times cities have been attacked during this game, it's that an active defense is useless if you can't see them coming.
Think about it.
When has there been a major time we were attacked or were attacking a city where the city got enough advanced warning to activate a shield?
Not during the tunneling incident.
Not when we nuke isan.
We need something passive that can be left active all the time.
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Alternatively, we just keep it on 24/7.