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I request that a note be added to this rune, stating that we do this without telling or otherwise alerting anyone to our actions here. We want to avoid, if at all possible, Kei/Kagome finding out that we attempted to replicate a sealing failure and/or recreated the EM Nuke.
Sealing failure? I follow the rest but what's this got to do with that?
 
Can't we just tell Kagome we're trying to make an seal/rune that annoys weather spirits or something?
 
Sounds like even mentioning it to Kagome is contentious enough to cut.

Although I don't see the problem with mentioning it to Kei, can someone tell me why we shouldn't?

@faflec
The association of the EM Nuke Rune with the traditional EM Nuke, a doomsday weapon capable of actually ending civilization as we know it, is going to trigger some serious Emotions in Kei, and she will react poorly to us proposing to do research into the rune even if it has a much higher threshold to be capable of ending the world. I'd rather we do a prep day to confirm that it's within Hazou's ability to create before discussing with her the merits of looking at EM Nuke Runes as an anti-Akatsuki weapon beforehand. This way, the question is not "Hazou thinks that this is a thing he can do, but isn't sure; should he?" and instead is "Hazou knows he can create this thing, is this a viable anti-Akatsuki weapon/is this a potential end-of-the-world weapon/is this going to fuck Leaf in some way?".
 
The association of the EM Nuke Rune with the traditional EM Nuke, a doomsday weapon capable of actually ending civilization as we know it, is going to trigger some serious Emotions in Kei, and she will react poorly to us proposing to do research into the rune even if it has a much higher threshold to be capable of ending the world. I'd rather we do a prep day to confirm that it's within Hazou's ability to create before discussing with her the merits of looking at EM Nuke Runes as an anti-Akatsuki weapon beforehand. This way, the question is not "Hazou thinks that this is a thing he can do, but isn't sure; should he?" and instead is "Hazou knows he can create this thing, is this a viable anti-Akatsuki weapon/is this a potential end-of-the-world weapon/is this going to fuck Leaf in some way?".
Yeah alright, fair.
 
[X] Action Plan: Full Speed Ahead
Word Count: <300
  • Duration: 2 of Hazou's cycles
  • Buy until we have 4 FP on day 9 of the cycles
  • Sealing Research
    • 1st SSA track - RRBs, max prep, double invoke
    • 2nd SSA track - Faster Forward Runes V1 or V2, full prep
      • Difficulty check V1 and V2 at the beginning of the cycle.
        • Research V2 only if V1 and V2 return the same difficulty and are "Hazou thinks this is well within..." otherwise research V1, if Hazou doesn't think he can do this rune, don't proceed, research CATEARS on this track instead.
  • 3rd track CATEARS, max prep, infuse on day 7.
  • 4th track Force Walls, 4 days prep, infuse on day 5. FOOM afterwards.
  • Do prep days on the following seals/runes
  • After the first cycle, travel to another randomly chosen island at least 50 miles away. Bury the Fast Forward Rune.
  • Cannai
  • Kagome and Kei
    • Sanity check with Kei prior
    • Go over the Akatsuki dossier with them both, and ask for their help developing Akatsuki-specific countermeasures.
      • Brainstorm with them and ask them for their thoughts about our ideas so far
        • Superchiller Runes
        • Time Stop Runes
        • Chakra Potential Runes (will likely need the TS's help for this)
        • Hot Pocket Runes
        • (For Konan) Runes that activate seals en masse?
        • (For Sasori/Deidara) Runes/seals that disrupt chakra threads/constructs?
  • Continue learning TH

Do we need that many prep days for force walls? Between the update implying we were one degree of success away from finishing, and the interlude saying it was below our level, that feels fairly overkill? Through I don't have any genin/chunin seals to try and work on instead, and I'd rather not just do 20 preps.
 
Do we need that many prep days for force walls? Between the update implying we were one degree of success away from finishing, and the interlude saying it was below our level, that feels fairly overkill? Through I don't have any genin/chunin seals to try and work on instead, and I'd rather not just do 20 preps.
There is significant concern about insulating us from bad rolls without spending FP. At 4 days prep we can be preeeeeety confident of succeeding at anything short of a -12. So imagine we drop that to full send no prep, roll badly and need a reroll, now we've spent 10 XP on an FP.

Now there's a conversation that we could cut that to 3 days prep and be insulated from anything short of a -9/-12, but like now we're splitting hairs here. That's like 1.5 XP gained spending it on FOOM.

Full sending it is 6 XP gained over the counterfactual with an expected reroll chance of 33% plus we might even need a double or triple reroll if we get unlucky enough.

IMO it's best to just prep 4 days and don't worry too badly about it.

Sorry for the wall of text. I've been sweating over this seal research for a long time now 😅
 
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There is significant concern about insulating us from bad rolls without spending FP. At 4 days prep we can be preeeeeety confident of succeeding at anything short of a -12. So imagine we drop that to full send no prep, roll badly and need a reroll, now we've spent 10 XP on an FP.

Now there's a conversation that we could cut that to 3 days prep and be insulated from anything short of a -9/-12, but like now we're splitting hairs here. That's like 1.5 XP gained spending it on FOOM.

Full sending it is 6 XP gained over the counterfactual with an expected reroll chance of 33% plus we might even need a double or triple reroll if we get unlucky enough.

IMO it's best to just prep 4 days and don't worry too badly about it.

Sorry for the wall of text. I've been sweating over this seal research for a long time now 😅

[X] Action Plan: Full Speed Ahead

No stress, just wanted to check, but it is almost the deadline, and finishing up projects is good at least. Maybe the overkill will help with veterancy or something?

[X] Training Plan Hazou: Runemaster

Yeah runes! Going from 12 to 18 may even start changing the viability of some previous projects.
 
Throwing around more research ideas (not intended for the current vote):

Zephyr Field Rune
Projects a peculiar field that dramatically heightens chakra diffusion. The practical effect of this is that coherent chakra emanations, of the kind needed to utilize ninjutsu or genjutsu, are impossible to guide or focus unless very close to the controller. Chakra that goes out of control due to this effect tends to do so violently. Casting a fireball backfires severely and armor jutsus become unstable, but things like chakra adhesion, chakra-boosted taijutsu, and good ol' kunai still function as normal.

Seals and other runes that depend on chakra for anything more than extremely short range effects have their effective range cut down, with varying results. Seal and runes that do not depend on chakra for their effects are unaffected. Naturally the field disrupts many sensory abilities that rely on chakra detection.

Chakra Screen Rune
Creates an invisible rectangular barrier that chakra cannot pass through. Physical matter passes easily, though this is quite harmful to living creatures. The barrier is itself a chakra construct and can be dispelled with repeated attacks like other barriers.

Chakra Crystal Rune
When active, can be fed chakra up to a certain capacity which it stores in its internal structure and protects from dispersion. Can be deactivated to release the chakra into a fixed shape.

Gentle Storage Rune
The successor (or ancestor?) of the storage seal, the theory is far more complex but opens the possibility of eliminating all damaging stresses when storing objects. It also endures many more uses.

Blink Rune
Adapts the effect of vanishing seals and can affect multiple objects that are directly or indirectly touching the rune in a radius. Vanishes and reappears on a cyclic timer until the rune's power runs out.

Live Storage Rune
Stores an object, even a living one with an intact chakra system. In the case that esoteric rune theory alone cannot overcome the normal limitations of storage, tries to do so with a hacky solution such as folding space like a vanishing seal. Another hacky solution is for it to screen the chakra contained in the target to be stored physically with the rune, while the chakra-stripped object is then put into storage. Upon release, the stored chakra is restored to the object in the same arrangement it was before. May or may not be lethal to a living creature depending on how well it reconstructs the chakra distribution and the timing of this restoration. At least the body will be pristine.

(the below are more memes/aspirational goals than serious ideas)
Legacy of the Whirlpool
A special Arena rune and set of seals. When the rune is activated the rune and all corresponding seals and their tagged objects are shunted to another dimension. Unlike storage, time does pass in this dimension and the rune can be activated again to return to the original position. In case of obstruction will find free space to appear at, with unpredictable results. Is the alternate dimension survivable? Ask Whirlpool.

Hidden Heaven
Rune that shunts an entire bubble of matter into another dimension. Yes this leaves behind a vacuum. Fuck this world, let's lighthouse.
 
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped How close are we to where Uzugakure once was?
HDK. Whirlpool disappeared long before he was born, and he may never have seen a map old enough to feature it (not that MfDverse maps, especially older ones, are worth much when it comes to gauging distances in foreign territory).

Relatedly, a question for you: I vaguely recall there being conflicting reports regarding Whirling Tides' location. Do you have the quotes for that? A hypothetical "Hazou finds and explores the former site of Whirling Tides" arc sounds like it could be fun to me, and not just because it could mean more fights with sealing failure abominations.

someone on Discord; paraphrased said:
Does the Fast Forward rune experience runic drag? (i.e., can't be moved faster than ~1 foot/minute)
Yes, they do.

After researching [Minato's jinchuuriki chain] seals all the way through, how does Hazou feel they compare to chakdar/chakrascopes? Especially #5 and #8?

Are they doing similar things? Do any of them seem like they're sending out a ping of chakra and recording what comes back?

Does Hazou think it's realistic to calibrate a variant to return a signal just from human ninja with genin+ reserves?
The chakrascope is unlike the others – it's trying to pick up on extremely small, extremely precise seal effects and artifacts of sealing failures. Chakdar and the jinchūriki seals are both sensing on a bigger scale, chakdar detecting active chakra manipulation nearby, and the jinchūriki seals sensing something to do with human chakra.

They are not doing similar things. Chakrascope is different, as mentioned. Chakdar is not 'sending out a ping' – it's purely listening. The jinchūriki seal is doing something weird, somehow projecting nearby chakra sources down onto the seal, giving its reading a rather unusual appearance.

Hazō thinks this would be reasonable to try to build from the jinchūriki seals, but would need a prep day to tell more about how tough it actually would be.




Note the non-standard vote close time -- around 9 hours remain.
 
HDK. Whirlpool disappeared long before he was born, and he may never have seen a map old enough to feature it (not that MfDverse maps, especially older ones, are worth much when it comes to gauging distances in foreign territory).

Relatedly, a question for you: I vaguely recall there being conflicting reports regarding Whirling Tides' location. Do you have the quotes for that? A hypothetical "Hazou finds and explores the former site of Whirling Tides" arc sounds like it could be fun to me, and not just because it could mean more fights with sealing failure abominations.
Where's the-area-formerly-known-as-Hidden-Whirlpools?
In the south part of Aisu Bay, east of that jutting-out peninsula in Earth Country.
 
Can this please be: "if any of the prep-day seal are genin, research them, otherwise research Earth Bullet/Ex2.0"?

After the first cycle, travel to another random island at least 50 miles away. Take any bury any active runes.
I don't love this. We don't want to leave burned out runes behind(or active runes!) for Hidan to luck into. let's stay here untill we can actually dispose of the FFWD rune.

And maaaaaybe specify for future FFWD runes to be 1week duration, or even a few days? So we aren't stuck babysitting them.
 
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