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What was his response to what we did in the meeting/with Hidan?
  1. That sounds awful. Thank you for directing his madness out of Leaf.
  2. Good work keeping them on target. All evidence so far discovered has been handed off, including all blood samples.
  3. Did you actually set-up a discreet, illegal communication line with Hidan? No? Good. If he demands you stay in contact, we can send regular messengers to Rain.
  4. If you're going to do more banditry-targeting C-ranks to keep Hidan off your back, arrange it personally rather than going through Tower middlemen. Prioritize locations in the southeast so as to be farther from the borders.
  5. Please publicly denounce Jashinism before people think you've gone mad.
 
Does Hazō not begin Shadow Clone training in the morning? It was 1 PM when he entered Asuma's office, which is 6 hours after dawn. There should have been enough time for the SCs to get 2/3 training blocks done.
Wouldn't Hazou have made the clones in the morning not knowing H&K were on their way? IMO it makes sense to say that they all popped when Hazou left Leaf around 1ish to go hunting with Hidan. That would mean he got 6hrs or 2 Training Blocks worth of SC usage.
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped Sorry to be an XP goblin but them's the breaks when you're surrounded by S rank psychos
 
[x] Publicly denounce Jashinism before people think we've gone mad. Wait until your Consequences expire (spend time hanging with Kei in the meantime), and then go do some C-rank bandit clearing missions (personally arranged with Asuma) with Noburi, Kei, and Snowflake.
 
If you're going to do more banditry-targeting C-ranks to keep Hidan off your back, arrange it personally rather than going through Tower middlemen. Prioritize locations in the southeast so as to be farther from the borders
Weak evidence that Asuma didn't order Akane's death. He's acting like there's an actual leak in the Tower and they could get Hazou too if he goes through official channels.
 
Does Hazō not begin Shadow Clone training in the morning? It was 1 PM when he entered Asuma's office, which is 6 hours after dawn. There should have been enough time for the SCs to get 2/3 training blocks done.
Wouldn't Hazou have made the clones in the morning not knowing H&K were on their way? IMO it makes sense to say that they all popped when Hazou left Leaf around 1ish to go hunting with Hidan. That would mean he got 6hrs or 2 Training Blocks worth of SC usage.
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped Sorry to be an XP goblin but them's the breaks when you're surrounded by S rank psychos
Fine, Paper will figure out the timeline and award SC XP as appropriate.
 
Recently on Discord, it was made known to us that several of the Goketsu's Good Tier Shit was withheld from the non-Uplift members of the Goketsu Clan. This includes the Orochimaru Lootboxes, the Orochimaru-Sourced Jutsu, the better Pangolin jutsu (such as PEA), and our better seals (MARS).

That... did not match my understanding of the current state of affairs within the Goketsu Clan. I had assumed that the Orochimaru Lootboxes and Jutsu were made available to anyone who asked Hazou for access to them. Several other players echoed my sentiments, stating that they were under similar impressions.

Given this misunderstanding, I'm comfortable spending FP to Declare, retroactively, that Hazou made some of (or all of) these things available to the newer Goketsu Clan Members.

@Paperclipped said that he has "no objections to declares like that," but admitted that he was uncertain as to whether or not they'd be in their own plan, or folded into an existing action plan.

However, given that this is a retroactive Declare that seeks to correct for a misunderstanding that (many of) the playerbase had regarding the narrative, it is my belief that it should exist separate from an Action Plan. After all, it has nothing to do with the current decisions that are happening, and this keeps things a little more organized.
The unwritten understanding of some of the QMs was that advanced techniques and seals were not shared broadly with brand-new adoptees, because we assumed that Hazō would keep powerful advantages like MARS close to his chest. However, we never stated this explicitly in-story.

Retroactively giving a dozen people access to a powerful range of techniques and seals is well outside of what a Declare should be able to do. You will only be able to change OPSEC policy going forward, not retroactively. However, as we did not explicitly state Hazō's policy or solicit feedback, we're not going to inflict in-universe consequences for past secrecy.

Summary of Gōketsu OPSEC:

"Inner circle" here means Team Uplift + Yuno.

Default Policy

For all new acquisitions, unless otherwise stated, Hazō will keep it a secret to only himself + the person who acquired the new secret. For example, Rapid Rejuvenation is currently a secret between Hazō and Noburi.

Ninjutsu:

  • Pangolin Earth Armor
    • Hazō
  • All other Pangolin ninjutsu (Pangolin Conditioning Jutsu (not a clan secret), Ghost Scales, Pantokrator's Hammer, Pangolin Flash, Exploring Tongue)
    • Everyone
  • Rapid Rejuvenation
    • Hazō + Noburi
  • Orochimaru's ninjutsu scrolls
    • Hazō (+ Noburi, who knows Surging Seas)

Currently, clan members are not required to share their personal ninjutsu into a clan repository.

Seals

  • Basic seals (explosive, storage, alarm)
    • Everyone
  • Non-clan secret seals (Goo Bomb, Air Dome, Earth Dome, Jiraiya's Awesome Daybright Lantern, Macerators v1, Banshees, Banshee Slayers, Tunneler's Friends, Usamatsu's Glorious Life-Saving Preservers, Lesser Barrier Formation, Five Seal Barrier, skywalkers)
    • Everyone
  • Rocket Boots, Force Walls, Implosion seals, directional explosives, Poor Man's Yellow Flash (time-delayed storage seal), Flashbangs, Macerators v2/3 (all clan secrets)
    • Everyone
  • Chakdar v1/2, Banshee Fuckers, ARS/MARS, Chakrascope (all clan secrets)
    • Inner circle
  • Pressure-trigger explosives
    • Hazō + Kagome
  • Jinchūriki seals
    • Hazō + Kagome
      • Kagome being Kagome, everyone has been thoroughly informed that he has definitely NOT been working on a top secret project related to the Fourth Hokage, the Fox, and definitely super-duper not at all related to the Tailed Beast Breeding Program, which is DEFINITELY FAKE and NOT REAL.
  • Light Relay
    • Hazō
MARS is the only seal which has a strict top-secret order (i.e. never leave survivors).

Bloodline Details

  • General outline (IN reproduces movements; VD drains + redistributes chakra through water)
    • Everyone
  • Full details (IN copies seals; VD can drain through mist)
    • Inner circle

Misc.

  • WHOOSH
    • Hazō, Mari, Noburi (+Kei)
  • Earthshaping's various abilities & Hazō's ambitions for 3D sealing
    • Inner circle (+Asuma)
  • Necromancy
    • Inner circle (+Shikamaru, Ami, an unknown number of other people that have been within earshot of Kagome)
    • Ritual to contact Jiraiya
      • Hazō, Mari, Noburi (+Naruto, Kei, Ino?)
  • Hazō's Jashinism
    • Hazō (+Kei/Shikamaru suspect Jashin may be real but do not know that Hazō is a Jashinist)
  • Orochimaru's XP lootboxes
    • Hazō and Noburi (Akane was also occasionally given specific notes to study from)
  • Orochimaru's personal affairs, including the egg custard
    • Hazō

Let us know if we missed anything.

If you want to make changes, please vote in a plan with the [OPSEC] tag.

Examples:
[][OPSEC] No Changes Needed

[][OPSEC] Snake Party!
  • Share Orochimaru's ninjutsu with everyone in the clan.
  • Share Orochimaru's XP lootboxes with everyone in the clan.

[][OPSEC] Full Disclosure
  • Default policy: Hazō shares everything he learns with the clan.
  • Share everything with everyone in the clan.
  • Require that everyone scribe scrolls of their ninjutsu to keep in the clan's vault.
 
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Didn't we already have most of this conversation a few chapters ago?
We covered very little of what we needed to cover, and because of that first part of the conversation there's more that needs to be said.

Mostly the only thing from the plan we covered is "Kagome agrees the Akatsuki are probably doing necromancy too, but has no particular ideas for how to stop them". We still need to brainstorm the theoretical viability of various necromancy-relevant seals, and more importantly what diagnostic seals might help us get the data necessary to create them. In addition, we need to brainstorm security measures for scenarios like "we are forced to do our expeditions at O'Uzu and must be prepared to somehow hold off the malign attentions of Akatsuki."

Also importantly, we now know that Kagome's having a hard time right now, and we haven't been there for him. We haven't even been keeping him in the loop on necromancy, only coming to him with the Akatsuki problem now instead of after we discussed it with the Mori sisters way back when. Of course, I don't think anyone wanted us to go from that meeting straight into another meeting rehashing the same content, but nonetheless we've done little to keep Kagome part of the project beyond just waiting for him to research seals for us. That's a mistake, we've been continually playing sub-optimally here in a way that's disrespectful and hurtful to one of our family, and I think it's important that we apologize for that and promise to do better.

ROTP's plan includes some of the things we already covered, it looks like, but the bulk of the plan still needs answers and we can't very well ignore Kagome's grief now that we've seen it with our own eyes. Hidan may have taken top priority but this conversation is by no means over.
 
Fortunately, regarding the pangolin jutsu no one can really even learn PEA right now anyways (besides Reo I guess.)

[X] [OPSEC] Some Disclosure
  • All Pangolin jutsu are available to all
  • Orochimaru's ninjutsu scrolls are available to all
  • Orochimaru's notes and egg custard are available to all
  • Light relay is available to all
  • Chakdar v1/v2 is available to all
  • Require that everyone scribe scrolls of their ninjutsu to keep in the clan's vault
  • Encourage clan members to check in if they have a particular functionality they're looking for in a jutsu
  • Everything else remains the same
 
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The unwritten understanding of some of the QMs was that advanced techniques and seals were not shared broadly with brand-new adoptees, because we assumed that Hazō would keep powerful advantages like MARS close to his chest. However, we never stated this explicitly in-story.

Retroactively giving a dozen people access to a powerful range of techniques and seals is well outside of what a Declare should be able to do. You will only be able to change OPSEC policy going forward, not retroactively. However, as we did not explicitly state Hazō's policy or solicit feedback, we're not going to inflict in-universe consequences for past secrecy.

Summary of Gōketsu OPSEC:

"Inner circle" here means Team Uplift + Yuno.

Default Policy

For all new acquisitions, unless otherwise stated, Hazō will keep it a secret to only himself + the person who acquired the new secret. For example, Rapid Rejuvenation is currently a secret between Hazō and Noburi.

Ninjutsu:

  • Pangolin Earth Armor
    • Hazō
  • All other Pangolin ninjutsu (Pangolin Conditioning Jutsu (not a clan secret), Ghost Scales, Pantokrator's Hammer, Pangolin Flash, Exploring Tongue)
    • Everyone
  • Rapid Rejuvenation
    • Hazō + Noburi
  • Orochimaru's ninjutsu scrolls
    • Hazō (+ Noburi, who knows Surging Seas)

Currently, clan members are not required to share their personal ninjutsu into a clan repository.

Seals

  • Basic seals (explosive, storage, alarm)
    • Everyone
  • Non-clan secret seals (Goo Bomb, Air Dome, Earth Dome, Jiraiya's Awesome Daybright Lantern, Macerators v1, Banshees, Banshee Slayers, Tunneler's Friends, Usamatsu's Glorious Life-Saving Preservers, Lesser Barrier Formation, Five Seal Barrier, skywalkers)
    • Everyone
  • Rocket Boots, Force Walls, Implosion seals, directional explosives, Poor Man's Yellow Flash (time-delayed storage seal), Flashbangs, Macerators v2/3 (all clan secrets)
    • Everyone
  • Chakdar v1/2, Banshee Fuckers, ARS/MARS, Chakrascope (all clan secrets)
    • Inner circle
  • Pressure-trigger explosives
    • Hazō + Kagome
  • Jinchūriki seals
    • Hazō + Kagome
      • Kagome being Kagome, everyone has been thoroughly informed that he has definitely NOT been working on a top secret project related to the Fourth Hokage, the Fox, and definitely super-duper not at all related to the Tailed Beast Breeding Program, which is DEFINITELY FAKE and NOT REAL.
  • Light Relay
    • Hazō
MARS is the only seal which has a strict top-secret order (i.e. never leave survivors).

Bloodline Details

  • General outline (IN reproduces movements; VD drains + redistributes chakra through water)
    • Everyone
  • Full details (IN copies seals; VD can drain through mist)
    • Inner circle

Misc.

  • WHOOSH
    • Hazō, Mari, Noburi (+Kei)
  • Earthshaping's various abilities & Hazō's ambitions for 3D sealing
    • Inner circle (+Asuma)
  • Necromancy
    • Inner circle (+Shikamaru, Ami, an unknown number of other people that have been within earshot of Kagome)
    • Ritual to contact Jiraiya
      • Hazō, Mari, Noburi (+Naruto, Kei, Ino?)
  • Hazō's Jashinism
    • Hazō (+Kei/Shikamaru suspect Jashin may be real but do not know that Hazō is a Jashinist)
  • Orochimaru's XP lootboxes
    • Hazō and Noburi (Akane was also occasionally given specific notes to study from)
  • Orochimaru's personal affairs, including the egg custard
    • Hazō

Let us know if we missed anything.

If you want to make changes, please vote in a plan with the [OPSEC] tag.

Examples:
[][OPSEC] No Changes Needed

[][OPSEC] Snake Party!
  • Share Orochimaru's ninjutsu with everyone in the clan.
  • Share Orochimaru's XP lootboxes with everyone in the clan.

[][OPSEC] Full Disclosure
  • Share everything with everyone in the clan.
  • Require that everyone scribe scrolls of their ninjutsu to keep in the clan's vault.

@eaglejarl can this get an informational threadmark please?
 
[X] [OPSEC] Some Disclosure
  • All Pangolin jutsu are available to all
    • Ghost Scales and PEA become available to any Goketsu Ninja who reaches chunnin rank
We may want to gate this behind chunnin rank... armor jutsu are very rare, and we have two of them. Genin can build solid, fundamental skills before supplementing their build with jutsu.
 
[X] [OPSEC] Some Disclosure
[X] [OPSEC] Some Disclosure, but faflec is weird
  • All Pangolin jutsu are available to all
  • Orochimaru's ninjutsu scrolls are available to all
  • A depersonalized copy of Orochimaru's notes and egg custard are available to all
  • Light relay is available to all
  • Chakdar v1/v2 is available to all
  • Strongly recommend, but do not require, that everyone scribe scrolls of their ninjutsu to keep in the clan's vault
  • Everything else remains the same
 
Fortunately, regarding the pangolin jutsu no one can really even learn PEA right now anyways (besides Reo I guess.)

[X] [OPSEC] Some Disclosure
  • All Pangolin jutsu are available to all
  • Orochimaru's ninjutsu scrolls are available to all
  • A depersonalized copy of Orochimaru's notes and egg custard are available to all
  • Light relay is available to all
  • Chakdar v1/v2 is available to all
  • Require that everyone scribe scrolls of their ninjutsu to keep in the clan's vault
  • Everything else remains the same
Perhaps an "encourage clan members to check in if they have a particular functionality they're looking for in a jutsu"
 
@eaglejarl I asked this before, but I'd like to ask again: Does the Gokētsu Clan actually have one or more ninja academy students? If yes, wouldn't this be a really important milestone and shouldn't such students matter a lot to Hazō and team Uplift and such? Or was that a throwaway line that wasn't discussed with other QMs or rolled for and might be retconned?
Clan Gōketsu has two Academy students: Gōketsu Honoka (year 3) and Gōketsu Sasha (year 6), both of whom were recently adopted. Gōketsu Sasha will become the first genin to graduate with the name Gōketsu in around six months, assuming no training accidents happen. No young Gōketsu have yet been selected for the Academy intake, and it will be many years before a Gōketsu-born child will be eligible.

Can you change this to "a depersonalized copy of Orochimaru's notes?"
This is not an option, because:
  1. There are no copies of Orochimaru's notes. Copying everything by hand (i.e. without shipping it off to the Nara for printing) would be the work of at least a year.
  2. A good amount of the insights are tied up in the dialogues between Orochimaru and the other Sannin.
 
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