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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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FaintlySorcerous said:
Where are you getting this?

Hidan said 'huh, maybe you should only kill half the people I kill' and Hazo said 'no, Jashin doesn't do numbers like that, probably'. Hazo also said 'hey, you're clearly Jashin's most favoured son'.
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Based on the bit about Bakuchioka.

e: Regardless, probabilistically, we saved 40% of them. That's better than we'd have done killing them all ourself.
 
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Sir Stompy said:
Was it saved really? Those people are all still dead. If Jashin really does bless His faithful it might have been better to do as Hidan said and kill them ourselves. We'd certainly put the blessing to better use than he will.
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I don't think empowerment via Jashin is as simple as "input deaths output power"
 
Well, on the plus side, this makes the plan of "be the one to execute Leaf criminals (that, very specifically, have already been sentenced to execution for their crimes and would otherwise just be executed by any rando who doesn't get essie-appeasing cred out of it) so we can get easy Jashin cred" feel more viable to me. If Hidan's not holding our death quotas to his own standard, then even a relatively modest income of deaths will keep him from hauling us off to kill people again.

This is something that we should likely bring up to Asuma in the debrief, as well as catching up with how the Kakuzu negotiations went (how much is this mission costing/how much of the price tag are we on the hook for/did Asuma get Kakuzu to agree to anything else, like supporting infrastructure growth?). After that...

After that, we have a Kagome conversation to finish.
 
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Threnodist said:
I don't think empowerment via Jashin is as simple as "input deaths output power"
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Paperclipped said:
"So Jashin distributes his blessings to those that serve him?"

Hidan nodded. "Yeah. If you're really Lord Jashin's chosen, I bet he's just itchin' to grant you his favors, but if you're not putting any money on your tab, how's he gonna pay for your drinks? Have you had a dream?"
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Hidan seems to think so
 
That feels like exactly as well as it could have gone, since RNJashin apparently decreed some/all of these people were going to die anyway.
 
I have a feeling that any mechanical benefits from executing people will require us to give a mental hook to Jashin (which I don't think we're willing to risk) but I think it'll keep Hidan off our backs in the short-term, but I'm worried that "if we don't really mean it" he'll know/find out/Jashin will tell him.
 
...anyway, SC XP.
FaintlySorcerous said:
Welp, I don't think that could have reasonably come out much better than it did, which is a little disappointing.

We should immediately debrief with Asuma, discuss what the fuck he wants us to do, and then try to make some moves on our other priorities.

Where are we with the Conclave and getting caught up?

Where are we with...what else do we care about right now? Seal research?
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We're close to necromancy being ready. Just need the other preparatory seals.
 
Threnodist said:
I have a feeling that any mechanical benefits from executing people will require us to give a mental hook to Jashin (which I don't think we're willing to risk) but I think it'll keep Hidan off our backs in the short-term, but I'm worried that "if we don't really mean it" he'll know/find out/Jashin will tell him.
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Mental hook to Jashin? Does that mean he gets an account here and shitposts with the rest of us?

I'd be ok with that!
 
[Y] Action Plan Fragment: Debriefing
Word count: 130
  • Debrief with Asuma:
    • You killed a bunch of bandits and Hidan murdered a village.
      • You feel pretty sick about it.
      • A few villagers might have gotten away.
    • Tone: you're distraught and more than a little fucked up from having watched a village die.
      • Hidan wants you to keep killing people. Becoming Leaf's executioner seems like a...way to do this and make sure that if Hidan shows up again, he won't take you out on another spree killing. Is Asuma okay with that? Could it happen in a way where Hazo's reputation doesn't take a huge hit?
    • What would Asuma have done? Does he have any wisdom to share?
    • Kakuzu and Hidan are probably going to get in touch with Hazo while they're in the village. What are Asuma's orders?
 
[X] Action Plan: Debriefing and Questions
Word count: 284

  • Goals:
    • Convince Asuma you're a loyal Leaf ninja who believes in the Will of Fire.
    • Recoup Reputation
  • Debrief with Asuma.
    • Full debrief, repeat conversations as accurately as possible, as many times as needed (maintain Iron Nerve opsec).
    • Answer any questions Asuma may have about Hidan's "theology"
      • This info may help Leaf social specs who interact with Hidan in the future.
      • Clarify:
        • We only know what Hidan has told us, and what we can theorize based on that data.
        • We don't want to get dragged into Hidan's cult, but we can't admit as much to Hidan without being killed.
    • Uneasy Admission: Hazou killed a bunch of (civilian) bandits and Hidan killed a civilian village.
      • A few villagers might have gotten away?
      • Tone: distraught and more than a little fucked up. "Allowing" Hidan to slaughter uncontested goes against what that we are.
    • Kakuzu and Hidan are probably going to get in touch with Hazo while they're in the village. What are Asuma's orders?
  • Before we're dismissed:
    • What would Asuma have done? Does he have any wisdom to share? Is there anything we could've said or done differently that might've saved the village?
    • Please, any insight at all.
  • Mari and Kei:
    • Update them
    • How can we save our reputation? Or, failing that, the Clan's?
    • Ideas? Suggest the following, sanity check/optimize, and begin as suggested.
      • Publicly meet with (tolerable, Kei-approved) Hagoromo ninja to discuss Will of Fire (as per Ino's advice?)
      • Make more trade deals with the neutral/traditional clan factions to show our willingness to cooperate (like with Hinata?)
      • More public programs (like the Seal Bank, supplementing Till'n'Fills, etc?)
      • Make our Estate more aligned with Leaf principles? (Appearances matter, people are more shallow than they think)
 
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Well, that went... well? As well as it was realistically going to, I suppose. In retrospect, framing it as Hazou and Hidan representing different aspects of Jashin was the fatal error here: it basically locked-in Hidan slaughtering the village on his own, as suits his role. I'd seen it, but late enough into the cycle that I didn't feel comfortable switching the argument.

The alternate argument which, on success, would have protected the village, is dropping the talk of Life/Death opposites, and just straight-up arguing that Hidan is doing it wrong and his massacres displease Jashin; that all His disciples must only slaughter those that harm the civilization. But this argument was both higher-reward and higher-risk, in the sense that Hidan was less likely to buy it.

The way it went, we've kept an in with Hidan, gained more influence over him if anything, and likely ensured he'll stop trying to get us to kill innocents.

As well as it was realistically going to go, I suppose.

Okay, now can we go pester Hidan about Jashin lore?
 
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Bump.

Let's make sure Asuma's not considering having us disappeared.

RandomOTP said:
[X] Action Plan: Debriefing and Questions
Word count: <300
  • Goals:
    • Convince Asuma you're a loyal Leaf ninja who believes in the Will of Fire.
  • Debrief with Asuma.
    • Full debrief, repeat conversations as accurately as possible, as many times as needed (maintain Iron Nerve opsec).
    • Answer any questions Asuma may have about Hidan's "theology"
      • This info may help Leaf social specs who interact with Hidan in the future.
      • Clarify:
        • We only know what Hidan has told us, and what we can theorize based on that data.
        • We don't want to get dragged into Hidan's cult, but we can't admit as much to Hidan without being killed.
    • Uneasy Admission: Hazou killed a bunch of (civilian) bandits and Hidan killed a civilian village.
      • A few villagers might have gotten away?
      • Tone: distraught and more than a little fucked up. "Allowing" Hidan to slaughter uncontested agoes against what that we are.
    • Kakuzu and Hidan are probably going to get in touch with Hazo while they're in the village. What are Asuma's orders?
  • Before we're dismissed:
    • What would Asuma have done? Does he have any wisdom to share? Is there anything we could've said or done differently that might've saved the village?
    • Please, any insight at all.
  • Go to Mari, update her. How can we save our public reputation... or at least the Clan's? Begin what's suggested.
    • Publically meet with (tolerable, Kei-approved) Hagoromo ninja to discuss Will of Fire (as per Ino's advice?)
    • Make more trade deals with the neutral/traditional clan factions to show our willingness to cooperate (like with Hinata?)
    • More public programs (like the Seal Bank, supplementing Till'n'Fills, etc?)
    • Make our Estate more aligned with Leaf principles? (Appearances matter, people are more shallow than they think)
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