[X] "All right, I get it. I'll keep things on the down low for now."
[X] Yoink the Book


Losing that much Diseased Lunatic is unfortunate, but inevitable. On the positive side, we have installed critical magical defenses, and when the Phantom Blot moves in I expect he'll crowd out at least some other Intrigue threats. He could feed information or the like to these other threats to have them fight us by proxy, but I don't thiiink he's the type? So that's maybe something.

If we want to boost our Intrigue defenses further, I don't think we have many options available. In terms of things that would directly help, we can spy on our employees or maybe have Wile E. set up a trap.

The former has the advantage of applying to DEI as a whole, though I'm guessing we'll need to succeed on the action multiple times with multiple different heroes if we want to cover the entirety of DEI. Unless we crit with the Commodore or something. The downside of this action, of course, is that it costs an Intrigue national action and has a fairly high DC.

The latter only costs a personal action, and we can probably spare Wile E. with our crit on recruiting Stewardship (and Learning) heroes, but it'll probably only affect our headquarters even if it does actually have an anti-Intrigue effect. At the same time, I'll never turn down an opportunity to make DEI headquarters more of a trapped hellscape than it already is, so I'm pretty keen to try this one.


Though there are a few more speculative and long-term defensive options we could take. The most obvious one I could think of would be fully integrating the Dickens Detective Agency, because I feel like getting an entire family agency of Intrigue assets on board could improve our Intrigue at an institutional level. But we don't know exactly what "a more permanent" relationship with the Agency would actually look like, and it could easily only come with offensive Intrigue benefits, so we can't bank on them helping here.

...maybe recruiting Spydah would unlock pentesting Personal Actions? I wouldn't count on it, but I could see it happening.

For more in-house stuff, we could maybe boost up our Normbot AIs? Laser weapons won't make them more capable of spotting sneakiness, but better AI might, and we might get that with Wendy coming on board. But that's a few turns out at least, and the idea that they would appreciably help our anti-infiltration efforts is a stretch.

Alternatively, if we did research the Tron Laser and get a better look into cyberspace, we'd probably unlock actions to better secure our digital assets. But that would be a serious commitment that I'm not willing to make right now, especially when neither Doom nor Toffee are known for hacking. Maybe it'll be worth looking into once we're further down the AI tree? Eh.

And maybe there'll be more Occult stuff we can do, with the Satan book and Malifishmirtz and maybe a Morganian Encantus in the pipeline, but I have no idea what form that would take.


The last option I can think of to better secure our Intrigue scene would be to learn more about or completely eliminate the various Intrigue threats, but that's easier said than done. The Corporate Espionage DCs aren't very friendly, and "just eliminate the hostile Kings" isn't particularly helpful advice.
 
you are heavily underestimating earth forces.

Keep in mind most of these Kings could take over the world easily if it wasn't for other competing kings.

moreover both Toffy and Witch guy suffer from the Empire issue mainly they have a massive military but it's diluted covering a vast area and fighting an equally massive foe on a functionaly unlimited frontage.

I don't even want to consider how much resources he has tied up just occupying his worlds.
I am hardly underestimating them. Toffee and Phobos both have fuck you Magic. Because this has annoyed me, here are some quotes from the QM!


Discord said:
I usually don't like to interfere with planning too much, but I feel like I need to shine light on a few misconceptions I've noticed. This isn't Call of Cthulhu, so I'm not putting you up against a hopelessly strong enemy that you can mildly inconvenience at best and die horribly against at worst... but that doesn't mean it's going to be easy.

Consider how much trouble Judge Doom is giving you. You've spent actions against him, he's fought back with actions of his own. It's taken a several turns already and Doom isn't out of the game yet.

Doom is "just" a racist mayor and CEO of a national conglomerate. Compared to someone like Xanatos, Glomgold, or Shego, he's on the easier side of things to deal with.

Toffee and Phobos are on another level entirely. You'll get to see more specifics as the quest moves on, but suffice to say that they are not going to be pushovers or glass cannons. They are both multiversal conquerors by the very nature of the setting, with all the experience that such a feat would entail.
Here MiH explicitly said that Toffee and Phobos are on an entire different level than all of Earth's Kings.

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Let me put this into perspective. You know how the US military can stomp your fucking faces in if you piss them off too much? Multiply that by about a thousand for Toffee. He wages wars on a significantly larger scale.
Toffee is a thousand times worse than the US military, who would be able to stomp us in the ground without a second thought!

Discord said:
You will not take Toffee out easily.
And this speaks for itself. Toffee is far beyond worrying about us like this.
 
I am hardly underestimating them. Toffee and Phobos both have fuck you Magic. Because this has annoyed me, here are some quotes from the QM!



Here MiH explicitly said that Toffee and Phobos are on an entire different level than all of Earth's Kings.


Toffee is a thousand times worse than the US military, who would be able to stomp us in the ground without a second thought!


And this speaks for itself. Toffee is far beyond worrying about us like this.
I would have appreciated you finding the thread quotes rather than discord, but yes.
 
I am hardly underestimating them. Toffee and Phobos both have fuck you Magic. Because this has annoyed me, here are some quotes from the QM!



Here MiH explicitly said that Toffee and Phobos are on an entire different level than all of Earth's Kings.


Toffee is a thousand times worse than the US military, who would be able to stomp us in the ground without a second thought!


And this speaks for itself. Toffee is far beyond worrying about us like this.

puck can snap his fingers and polymorph an entire fucking city that's more magical bullshit then Toffy has ever pulled in his show.

you missunderstand. We can't take Toffy out by ourselves but we don't need to. He's currently fighting an equal right now . He can't put anything towards dealing with us that doesn't instantly have the other guy gain an advantage.

so we can pushin on a small scale and begin expanding. He will not care if we take a few worlds.HoweverWE will care and Science is far better suited for churning out massive Military industrial goods then Magic is.

Yes he is dangerous yes we don't have a chance if he decides to squish us. But he can't otherwise he risks losing in turn.
So long as we survive whatever he sends our way in the first wave we can rapidly expand our capacity.

it's dangerous and not easy but it's a dam sight better then turtling on earth and praying neither bother with us.

TLDR: we are the Tau to his Imperium only we Tech upsignificantly faster.
 
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I would have appreciated you finding the thread quotes rather than discord, but yes.

Do not speak ill of the Discord, for its blessedness is sacrosanct.

Jokings aside, we need to use what we have in terms of quotes.

TLDR: we are the Tau to his Imperium only we Tech upsignificantly faster.

We are a slavemongering, expansionist empire of faux-Confucianist hypocrites that with their brainwashing, labor camps and forced sterilisations would be the Big Bad of any normal and only count as "Good Guys" in-universe because their opposition is *Even worse*?
 
We are a slavemongering, expansionist empire of faux-Confucianist hypocrites that with their brainwashing, labor camps and forced sterilisations would be the Big Bad of any normal and only count as "Good Guys" in-universe because their opposition is *Even worse*?
He meant in terms of game mechanics, not philosophy and tactics. Might be better to say that we're the Terran to Toffee's Protoss.
 
ust can't get decent help these days." Feldrake commiserated with the hag.

Janna is right there though.

Woah. Allegiances. She's not working for Xanatos, they seem to hate each other's guts. And what could we have bought that concerns her? The scrolls and the amulet make sense, but so does-

The key.

With extradimensional travel capabilities.

Which would put us on equal footing in manuverability with-

HOLY SHIT, DOES MOLLY WORK FOR TOFFEE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Probably Demona, but that was my first guess.
 
I would have appreciated you finding the thread quotes rather than discord, but yes.
Huh, I didn't think that he said it over here. So here are the thread quotes.

I usually don't like to interfere with planning too much, but I feel like I need to shine light on a few misconceptions I've noticed. This isn't Call of Cthulhu, so I'm not putting you up against a hopelessly strong enemy that you can mildly inconvenience at best and die horribly against at worst... but that doesn't mean it's going to be easy.

Consider how much trouble Judge Doom is giving you. You've spent actions against him, he's fought back with actions of his own. It's taken a several turns already and Doom isn't out of the game yet.

Doom is "just" a racist mayor and CEO of a national conglomerate. Compared to someone like Xanatos, Glomgold, or Shego, he's on the easier side of things to deal with.

Toffee and Phobos are on another level entirely. You'll get to see more specifics as the quest moves on, but suffice to say that they are not going to be pushovers or glass cannons. They are both multiversal conquerors by the very nature of the setting, with all the experience that such a feat would entail.

Syndrome going down as easily as he did was utterly unprecedented, and the only reason that happened was because of some very good/bad rolls and a bunch of actions lining up concurrently. If any of the actions leading up to the Sands Gala had gone differently (you and Shego hadn't teamed up, you hadn't bricked the omnidroids, and so on) then he probably would still be in the running.
I wanted to give a bit of perspective on people planning to go up against Toffee.

You know how the US military can grind you into mulch if you piss them off too much? Multiply that by about a thousand for Toffee. He wages war on a significantly larger scale.

You will not take Toffee out easily.

puck can snap his fingers and polymorph an entire fucking city that's more magical bullshit then Toffy has ever pulled in his show.

you missunderstand. We can't take Toffy out by ourselves but we don't need to. He's currently fighting an equal right now . He can't put anything towards dealing with us that doesn't instantly have the other guy gain an advantage.

so we can pushin on a small scale and begin expanding. He will not care if we take a few worlds.HoweverWE will care and Science is far better suited for churning out massive Military industrial goods then Magic is.

Yes he is dangerous yes we don't have a chance if he decides to squish us. But he can't otherwise he risks losing in turn.
So long as we survive whatever he sends our way in the first wave we can rapidly expand our capacity.

it's dangerous and not easy but it's a dam sight better then turtling on earth and praying neither bother with us.

TLDR: we are the Tau to his Imperium only we Tech upsignificantly faster.
Toffee has absorbed the entirety of the Realm of Magic and is now waging war across the entire multiverse. If we start pushing on a small scale he will simply grind us into oblivion. He has more than the resources to spare for that.

Also, remember how Shego has 68 Martial thanks to years of combat experience and plasma hands? Toffee has decades of combat experience and complete immortality. Oh, and he absorbed the entirety of the Realm of Magic. I wouldn't be surprised if he had triple digit Martial.

I perfectly understand that you know that we can't take Toffee out. All of the other Kings combined are not equal to a thousand times the might of the US military. Hell, MiH was probably lowballing that.

It is fucking stupid to take it this early. First of all, we don't have any scientists suited for it. Jumba won't be available this turn because of his Hunger for Science. The other Learning option is going to be taken up by AI research. As for LOVEMUFFIN?



Second of all, we don't really need to. We don't have the resources to take advantage of it and we have several Martial options to take before we risk stuff like that.
 
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GUys, Toffee's advantage isn't raw magical power. I mean, he has that, but nothing on par. Really, his main power is that he's from another dimension. This whole planet is a side-project of his empire. He could totally just cut his losses and run. Plus, on a personal level, he has a level of sheer-toughness matched only by Doom.
 
Russ really is ridiculous as a hero unit, isn't he. He's a rival to a king-level foe, our best Intrigue unit, one of our best combat units (on quests), our third best occult unit, and probably our best quest-leader.
 
Huh, I didn't think that he said it over here. So here are the thread quotes.





Toffee has absorbed the entirety of the Realm of Magic and is now waging war across the entire multiverse. If we start pushing on a small scale he will simply grind us into oblivion. He has more than the resources to spare for that.

Also, remember how Shego has 68 Martial thanks to years of combat experience and plasma hands? Toffee has hundreds of years of combat experience and complete immortality. Oh, and he absorbed the entirety of the Realm of Magic. I wouldn't be surprised if he had triple digit Martial.

I perfectly understand that you know that we can't take Toffee out. All of the other Kings combined are not equal to a thousand times the might of the US military. Hell, MiH was probably lowballing that.

It is fucking stupid to take it this early. First of all, we don't have any scientists suited for it. Jumba won't be available this turn because of his Hunger for Science. The other Learning option is going to be taken up by AI research. As for LOVEMUFFIN?



Second of all, we don't really need to. We don't have the resources to take advantage of it and we have several Martial options to take before we risk stuff like that.

I think you're kinda overplaying him. For one thing, I doubt he actually has absorbed the entire realm of magic, given that other people can still use it. For two, he's not completely immortal, just very, VERY hard to kill. But, then, so are Toons. I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a trait akin to what they have where failures in combat don't actually slow him down any. I highly doubt he has triple-digit Martial. 70+, maybe
 
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GUys, Toffee's advantage isn't raw magical power. I mean, he has that, but nothing on par. Really, his main power is that he's from another dimension. This whole planet is a side-project of his empire. He could totally just cut his losses and run. Plus, on a personal level, he has a level of sheer-toughness matched only by Doom.
Toffee has absorbed the entire Mewnian Realm of Magic. That leads to bullshittery that would just about outclass everyone.

Remember, he fights on equal terms with a guy who regularly takes dimensions and glues them to his own (Phobos). You know? The Metaworld Wars? Toffee undoubtedly has 72+ Occult. He also undoubtedly has many many heroes who are freakishly good at magic under his control.

I think you're kinda overplaying him. For one thing, I doubt he actually has absorbed the entire realm of magic. For two, he's not completely immortal, just very, VERY hard to kill. But, then, so are Toons. I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a trait akin to what they have where failures in combat don't actually slow him down any. I highly doubt he has triple-digit Martial. 70+, maybe
He has absorbed the entire* Mewnian Realm of Magic. That's what happened in canon Star vs the Forces of Evil after all.

You don't sleep. Not really, not anymore. But still you awaken, as the great bulk of your consciousness ebbs and flows through what was once magic. The Meridian Princeling sought to attack you yet again. As usual, you denied him the chance to face an easy target. His time would come.
Shego has 68 Martial thanks to a decade or two of Martial experience and plasma hands. Toffee has decades of experience in warfare and is successfully managing a war over the entire multiverse. Oh, and he is basically immortal. His immortality is compounded by the fact that his body is more of an avatar. His consciousness seems to be in the Realm of Magic.

*well, if we're lucky there is just one tiny entsy bitsy bit of magic leftover like in canon that can be purified
 
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Toffee has absorbed the entire Mewnian Realm of Magic. That leads to bullshittery that would just about outclass everyone.

Remember, he fights on equal terms with a guy who regularly takes dimensions and glues them to his own (Phobos). You know? The Metaworld Wars? Toffee undoubtedly has 72+ Occult. He also undoubtedly has many many heroes who are freakishly good at magic under his control.


He has absorbed the entire* Mewnian Realm of Magic. That's what happened in canon Star vs the Forces of Evil after all.


Shego has 68 Martial thanks to a decade or two of Martial experience and plasma hands. Toffee has centuries of experience in warfare and is successfully managing a war over the entire multiverse. Oh, and he is basically immortal. His immortality is compounded by the fact that his body is more of an avatar. His consciousness seems to be in the Realm of Magic.

*well, if we're lucky there is just one tiny entsy bitsy bit of magic leftover like in canon that can be purified
In fairness, he still died in canon after Star figured out how to go Super Saiyan.
 
In fairness, he still died in canon after Star figured out how to go Super Saiyan.
This is completely irrelevant.

It's basically like saying that steel is a weak metal because antibaryons do Bad Things to it. When Star dipped down she used the last bit of pure magic in the Realm of Magic to remove Toffee's influence over it. Only after that was she able to kill Toffee.
 
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Basically, I highly doubt he's actually completely invincible. He's no cakewalk, but he doesn't have fucking 3 digit Martial, jesus.
 
No one is saying he's invincible. We're saying that right now, we do not want to poke the dragon in the eye with a pointy stick.
That is true. I really just thought MH was getting a bit overly-hyperbolic. I could see him having an effective 3-digit Occult/Martial, in the same way Xanatos has an effective 3-digit Inrigue.
 
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