Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Alternative timeline:
Asuma: Hazo did the thing again.
Mari: Do tell. What awesome thing he did?
Noburi: I want to be able to do The Thing.
Hiashi: God damn, why I must keep enacting liberal policies that boost my standing instead of getting what I want? The thing is very useful indeed.
Hazo: Excuse me? WHAT THE HECK IS THE THING!??
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- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
imo biggest mistake was more not going 'okay yeah breaking command structure is bad I understand now and will never do it again'. If we had said that (and done it in a private meeting with Asuma instead of in front of ANBU and stuff) and meant it then I think Asuma would probably have let us go with a warning.
Instead we went up to him in front of an audience and basically said 'I don't care about the chain of command, I will disobey orders if I feel it's right, fite me'. Against that, even if Asuma weren't outraged with us for trying to make peace with the vile terrorists of Akatsuki, Asuma's audience meant that he had to crack down on such a blatant challenge to his authority or look weak.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
I'm pretty sure our plan accounted for it being a private discussion, though. If it didn't then, well, our bad.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Did we? I thought that was 1v1 after everyone else went back to the compound. Were there ANBU present(there are always ANBU present:/)?
Quick way to treason.
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
I remember us generally wanting to make it a 1 on 1 meeting.
I also remember the QMs telling us that it wasn't, because Hazou didn't request one.
My belief is that our desire to have a 1 on 1 meeting slipped through the cracks somewhere between us and the QM.
I definitely agree, the parts where Hazo interacts with the Out are some of my favorites, though I think I'm glad that Out!Hazou is basically gone. While felt like really good writing, too much of that would hurt some of the other things that are so great about this quest. Seeing a normal Hazou try to tackle understanding that will be interesting. Probably a lot of that is going to happen with seals, seeing as how they take advantage of the fragile nature of reality to add some effect to the world. I'm not sure how relevant this idea is, since seals work fine on the Seventh Path, but would it make sense for Hazo to try studying seals on the Seventh Path and seeing if they act any differently than in the EN world, even if they ultimately produce the same effects. Probably want to find a way to be as safe as possible to avoid sealing failure.
[X] Action Plan: The First and Last of Non-Linear Time
[X] Training Hazou: Approaching FOOM
[X] Training Akane: Approaching FOOM
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Regarding the training plans, I'm a little busy right now so I can't focus too much on things here, but:
edit: and in case this needs more time to sort out:
[X] Training All: None
- If the previous Yamanaka Training Jutsu plan actually went through, we have less XP to spend than it looks, as some has already been allocated.
- If the previous Yamanaka Training Jutsu plan didn't go through, imo we should consider voting them in again. I don't recall anyone having a change of heart, so I worry that the current focus on SC is forgetfulness.
@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail, I know I already pinged you about this today, but I would really appreciate input on whether those training plans were valid or not before we finalize what we're training this update.
edit: and in case this needs more time to sort out:
[X] Training All: None
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- Why would this be required?
[X] Action Plan: The First and Last of Non-Linear Time
Yeah... it really sounds as if Hazou's Day Out involved direct contact with the Mori voice, specifically, which suggests that it was the result of Keiko's possession of the scroll at the time. Fortunately, it also sounds as if previous wielders retain a connection even after replacement. Unfortunately, Hazou is not signed to the Toad scroll, but perhaps resurrecting Kakashi would be a good proof-of-concept. The Dogs would certainly appreciate it.
Hey, y'know how storage scroll react poorly to storing chakra, but do have a threshold beneath which they are reasonably safe because they don't flip out every time a stray bacterium sneaks in?
Hey, y'know how it's safe to store corpses in a storage scroll?
Hey, Y'know how Zabuza learned that there's a technique to suppress chakra and lifesigns enough to conclusively fool anybody not specifically trained in what to look for?
...I don't remember where I was going with this. Eh, I'm sure it will come back to me.
Hey, do we know of a clan of spacetime-bending refugees small enough to not be an imposition on the Dog clan's territory but rapidly mobile and fully aware of the danger the Pangolins represent whom we might have access to the scroll of during what would inevitably be a very tense vetting process.
Oh, we also need to talk to the Inuzaka, Toads, Monkeys, and perhaps Uncle.
-or just tie the pups to kites and let the adults pull them.
Alternatively, instead of speeding the pups, slow the hyenas. Good thing Naruto loves and trusts the new summoner and will be happy to share Swamp of the Underworld. We also have goo bombs.
Hey, y'know how storage scroll react poorly to storing chakra, but do have a threshold beneath which they are reasonably safe because they don't flip out every time a stray bacterium sneaks in?
Hey, y'know how it's safe to store corpses in a storage scroll?
Hey, Y'know how Zabuza learned that there's a technique to suppress chakra and lifesigns enough to conclusively fool anybody not specifically trained in what to look for?
...I don't remember where I was going with this. Eh, I'm sure it will come back to me.
Hey, do we know of a clan of spacetime-bending refugees small enough to not be an imposition on the Dog clan's territory but rapidly mobile and fully aware of the danger the Pangolins represent whom we might have access to the scroll of during what would inevitably be a very tense vetting process.
Oh, we also need to talk to the Inuzaka, Toads, Monkeys, and perhaps Uncle.
-or just tie the pups to kites and let the adults pull them.
Alternatively, instead of speeding the pups, slow the hyenas. Good thing Naruto loves and trusts the new summoner and will be happy to share Swamp of the Underworld. We also have goo bombs.
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- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
For meritorious service to multiple players in Discord, including but not limited to @Inferno Vulpix, in the form of reminders about things that were forgotten, help locating required links, etc etc etc, by the powers vested in me by myself as one of the creators of this quest, I hereby award the thread +10 OOC XP.
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- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I would need to check, but I'm pretty sure it's "if you can pick it up you can bring it". And yes, that would include storage seals.
Welcome! It's always great to get new players. I'm glad you've enjoyed it so far.
*blush* Thank you so much. That's really nice of you.
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
I mean, that would still require modifying the air cleaner seal and doing some research to separate the input and output. Unless you mean something else? The pump seals are designed to require a very slight modification from the filtration seals in the first place.
As for making a skirt out of seals ... Hovercraft skirts have to be rather tough and will end up being beaten around as they move over land. I really don't want to put seals where they are likely to take damage. I also want to minimize their chances of getting problematically wet.
Using air for lift is easy and is very tolerant of error. Using air for propulsion requires much finer control. It's probably well within our abilities to use the air for propulsion, but it's still more stuff that can go wrong.
Whether we do that mechanically or with new seals it's adding unnecessary complexity to the design. I want to make this as simple as possible since development speed is of the essence.
Dragging it is a very good default that we know will work well for dogs. It's just the simplest way to get from nothing to a minimal working prototype.
I mean, they've got an inland sea in the middle of their nation. If they can run a straight line over it while the enemy has to go around, then why the hell not?
What are we going to make the wheels out of? Wood is too rigid to work well for high-speed off-road travel. I don't even know where we would find rubber. There's other creative solutions for wheel material that might work, but none of them will work out of the box with minimal.
The hovercraft at least can go at that sort of speed over open water and sufficiently flat plains.
Wait, we're only going hundreds of miles a day. That's 5+ mph if you run 24/7. Wagons might work fine but I'd still be wary.
Edit: What I would give for access to 2x4s and standardized nuts and bolts. We need to implement standardized weights and measures as soon as we control enough of the economy.
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ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
- Location
- Seattle, WA
From the known seal document
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List of Seals Hazō Knows or Has Seen
Air Cleaner
Vacuum cleaner + filtered air conditioner. It sucks in air at one end of the tag and emits it at the other. It has a concept of what "pure air" looks like; anything that doesn't match that definition is kept in storage when the remainder is emitted.
It doesn't add anything to the air, it only subtracts. If you breathe all the O2 into CO2 then you're still in trouble."
That sounds like a separate input and output to me. The work to figure out how to best mount it into a slot with the input outside and the output inside is likey to be less work than modifying a seal design and doing all of the safety testing.
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
Huh, I thought that there was no specified input and output. I'm glad to be wrong then. I wonder what sort of flow rate those things have. We might still have to do some research to bump that up to something useful, but hopefully not.
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
@faflec, with the updates made to the char sheets, your Training Plans should be updated to continue maximally leveling Shadow Clone. I propose the following distributions:
Hazou:
Shadow Clone 10 --> 15 (65 XP)
Save 3 XP
(Assumes that CR 26 will be applied as per the Yamanaka Training Plan that EJ mostly applied recently)
Akane:
Shadow Clone 10 --> 25 (270 XP)
Save 17 XP
Hazou:
Shadow Clone 10 --> 15 (65 XP)
Save 3 XP
(Assumes that CR 26 will be applied as per the Yamanaka Training Plan that EJ mostly applied recently)
Akane:
Shadow Clone 10 --> 25 (270 XP)
Save 17 XP
ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
- Location
- Seattle, WA
I was very happy to see that detail as I was originally planning a thruster based on a rotating scroll with storage and trigger seals in tube as a thruster which would have required graphics to explain well
- Location
- U.S.
@RandomOTP @GlassOlive FOOM actually refers to a "real-world" (still highly theoretical) concept, AI hard takeoff. It's when an Artificial General Intelligence becomes recursively self-improving, because it has become more intelligent than the engineers who built it. A "hard takeoff" involves the AGI becoming superintelligent in a matter of weeks, days, or minutes, as opposed to a "soft takeoff," which happens much more gradually. There's a lot of debate over whether hard takeoffs are possible, let alone whether superintelligent AGI is even feasible in the first place.
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
OKAY, so it's something like 2 in the morning where I live and I can't sleep. Being quarantined has my sleep cycle out of wack and I need to order more boxes before I can pack anything else up for the move. So, long story short, I was struck by the realization that Asuma's probably scared shitless right now. The first four Hokages were titans --with the Yondaime being cut down before he could really catch his stride --and Asuma's... not.
Don't get me wrong, Asuma could kill the entirety of the Goketsu ninja without breaking a sweat. But he's... just a jonin. He's not the stuff of legends like all the others (do we really count Hiashi as a Hokage, though?) and his reputation won't be enough to hold back armies like the Hashirama or the Legendary Sannin --the latter of whom are believed to be gods by some of the less educated inhabitants of the EN.
Of course, that said, Asuma's a jonin who had the Third Hokage as his father. With someone named "the Professor" and "the God of Shiobi," as a father, I'm sure Asuma's probably in the upper echelons of jonin. And we shouldn't discount the fact that he's learned how to lead from his father, even if it was only from a distance. But there's still that undeniable element of simple power that he's lacking. All of the Hokages have believed in the Will of Fire and, to the best of our knowledge, ruled by example along that path. But they were also able to corral stray elements by hook or by crook.
Asuma doesn't really have that option. More than any other Hokage before him (save for, perhaps, Hashirama) Asuma has to negotiate. He has to rely on the more intangible pressures of tradition, honor, and patriotism. The tangible power Asuma does have is of the more institutionalized sort, such as the ANBU. Things that are conferred onto a Hokage, rather than existing independent of the title. Hiruzen's personal power was such that Orochimaru fled the Leaf instead of facing the repercussions of his atrocities. Asuma simply doesn't have the personal power to do that. He's sitting on a throne, fully aware that Orochimaru or Tsunade could just... stop accepting his orders. Or else, reject Asuma as a false Hokage. Neither of them are very likely to, but they can. So that means that Asuma has to be careful with what he orders, since he can't afford to push the line too far.
Therefore, Asuma is left with one of two options: get stronger or hold the throne until Naruto --someone with practically limitless chakra, and thereby theoretically infinite personal power --can take it. And Asuma can't devote very much time to getting stronger. He's running himself ragged trying to patch the Leaf together with vastly subpar staff, maintain peace between all the political bodies, keep enemy villages at bay, run his own clan, and a thousand different other things. So Asuma doesn't have the time to do the former, and if he fails, he might even not live to do the latter.
Why don't we... help him out, just a little bit. We have a nontrivial amount of money, a river of income, and a monopoly on chocolate. And we know of a place that sells pretty unique fruits, seemingly unknown to the wider world. We also have access to a mine that we're about to set up as a mining town, right? Well. That sounds like the start of a good trade network... and when you're stuck on the road for days on end, going from place to place? Well, surely you can't help but to.... hear things.
TL;DR: Let's set up a spynetwork to help Asuma out, winning some points in his favor.
Don't get me wrong, Asuma could kill the entirety of the Goketsu ninja without breaking a sweat. But he's... just a jonin. He's not the stuff of legends like all the others (do we really count Hiashi as a Hokage, though?) and his reputation won't be enough to hold back armies like the Hashirama or the Legendary Sannin --the latter of whom are believed to be gods by some of the less educated inhabitants of the EN.
Of course, that said, Asuma's a jonin who had the Third Hokage as his father. With someone named "the Professor" and "the God of Shiobi," as a father, I'm sure Asuma's probably in the upper echelons of jonin. And we shouldn't discount the fact that he's learned how to lead from his father, even if it was only from a distance. But there's still that undeniable element of simple power that he's lacking. All of the Hokages have believed in the Will of Fire and, to the best of our knowledge, ruled by example along that path. But they were also able to corral stray elements by hook or by crook.
Asuma doesn't really have that option. More than any other Hokage before him (save for, perhaps, Hashirama) Asuma has to negotiate. He has to rely on the more intangible pressures of tradition, honor, and patriotism. The tangible power Asuma does have is of the more institutionalized sort, such as the ANBU. Things that are conferred onto a Hokage, rather than existing independent of the title. Hiruzen's personal power was such that Orochimaru fled the Leaf instead of facing the repercussions of his atrocities. Asuma simply doesn't have the personal power to do that. He's sitting on a throne, fully aware that Orochimaru or Tsunade could just... stop accepting his orders. Or else, reject Asuma as a false Hokage. Neither of them are very likely to, but they can. So that means that Asuma has to be careful with what he orders, since he can't afford to push the line too far.
Therefore, Asuma is left with one of two options: get stronger or hold the throne until Naruto --someone with practically limitless chakra, and thereby theoretically infinite personal power --can take it. And Asuma can't devote very much time to getting stronger. He's running himself ragged trying to patch the Leaf together with vastly subpar staff, maintain peace between all the political bodies, keep enemy villages at bay, run his own clan, and a thousand different other things. So Asuma doesn't have the time to do the former, and if he fails, he might even not live to do the latter.
Why don't we... help him out, just a little bit. We have a nontrivial amount of money, a river of income, and a monopoly on chocolate. And we know of a place that sells pretty unique fruits, seemingly unknown to the wider world. We also have access to a mine that we're about to set up as a mining town, right? Well. That sounds like the start of a good trade network... and when you're stuck on the road for days on end, going from place to place? Well, surely you can't help but to.... hear things.
TL;DR: Let's set up a spynetwork to help Asuma out, winning some points in his favor.
- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
I wonder, actually, in the sense that you wonder about solutions some 5 hours after you should've gone to bed -
We have Macerators, which can output particulate fuel at a steady rate. We have air purifiers, which apparently have separate intake and exhaust nozzles..
I think this means that the only thing we're missing to make a proper jet engine is an ignition chamber and a nozzle to funnel the thrust - and well, seals do kind of solve everything.
Either a heat-retardant seal, something that protects whatever it's on from high heat, or a Dome seal with a hole in it might work.
We have Macerators, which can output particulate fuel at a steady rate. We have air purifiers, which apparently have separate intake and exhaust nozzles..
I think this means that the only thing we're missing to make a proper jet engine is an ignition chamber and a nozzle to funnel the thrust - and well, seals do kind of solve everything.
Either a heat-retardant seal, something that protects whatever it's on from high heat, or a Dome seal with a hole in it might work.
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Huh, I... actually didn't know there was a word for it.
*insert the more you know picture*
I'm just a little worried that it's too obvious of a solution. It's simplistic, easy, and rather obvious... so why didn't Kakashi or one of the Dogs think of it before? What factors aren't we seeing that keep it from being a viable solution? I agree with presenting it as a possible solution, but I find myself skeptical as to whether a trevois will end up being viable... then again, sometimes the obvious solution isn't thought of. That's what we did with the skywalker seals, after all.
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