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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Lailoken said:
It may be worth noting that we have an extraordinarily valuable seal to sell which could win a lot of goodwill, and certainly give pause to anyone thinking to offend us.

The firelog and especially charcoal misterator is essentially a massively souped-up explosive tag. They make a genin hit like a jounin and thus perform like a chuunin. The tower doesn't demand a tribute of them, so Gouketsu is the only source. Even if somebody wanted to retroengineer it Leaf law provides a two year patent period completely independently of any clan privilege.




We haven't actually built one yet. Demonstrating one before the vote might be a good idea. Remind everybody that Hazou isn't a one-trick pony.





Just fill a bunch of purifiers or tunnelers. If push comes to shove it wouldn't even take modifying them to retain all gasses instead is just non-oxygen ones.
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Would you remind me what the specifics of the Emerald City Seal are while you're here? :)
 
MMKII said:
Would you remind me what the specifics of the Emerald City Seal are while you're here? :)
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Lailoken said:
Mix sand, iron, and excess charcoal powder in a crucible. Heat as hot as you can get it and ignite. The sand and iron melt and the carbon dissolves in the iron where it reduces the sand to elemental silicon which mixes with iron. Seal the result in a misterator. Out spews a cloud of molten ferrosilicon propelled by the combustion of the residual carbon. The aerosol of ferrosilicon burns, producing ultrahot ferrosilicate glass vapor which evenly condenses on everything nearby, instantly cooking and encasing it in ominously glowing green glass.

Speak to the porcelain artisans. They smelt bones with charcoal to produce calcium phosphide, which reacts with moisture to produce phosphine gas, which is extremely poisonous, autoignites, and reacts with more moisture to produce a thick cloud of choking phosphoric acid. Store the calcium phosphide under carbon disulfide, which will burn to propel the mix and add sulfuric acid to the resulting cloud.
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I recommend a cooperative project with the Aburame. Shino mentioned that they maintained a high proficiency in optical-grade glasswork as part of their clan secrets, which implies a lot of experience in precision work with extremely high-temperature furnaces.
 
eaglejarl said:
The wedding is over and we're not doing any more retroactive updates right now.
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Does that include the wedding party? Or does Leaf not do after-ceremony "fun" rituals?

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Noumero said:
Last-night aftermath:
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Just so I understand you right, you want to do this on Keiko's wedding night. When? During whatever happens after the ceremony? After that, before she goes home with her new husband and pretends to touch him behind closed doors?

huhYeahGoodPoint said:
On further reflection, I'm not going to add this scene; I'm just going to trust that if this plan wins, @eaglejarl won't just cut to the end of the wedding event saying "we immediately shut down and went home", perhaps letting the next plan take it.
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Can I ask why you chose not to, on further reflection?
Do you think "Mingle during wedding party" would also be a bad line to add?
I'm sure that @eaglejarl won't just skip it, but I am currently not sure what Hazou's default behavior during such an event would be.
Also, what does "perhaps letting the next plan take it" mean?
 
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Noumero said:
But I've arranged it so that we first talk to Mari, then ask this? I could drop that line under "Discuss Ami with Mari", would that help? (Actually, that's not going to happen because it's an EagleJarl update and EagleJarl has trouble writing Ami.

(Come to think of it, that's exploitable — it could be used to enforce exit conditions! We also know that Velorien has trouble writing Kagome. If we explicitly schedule events so that our plans end at a particular time XOR Velorien/EagleJarl has to write Kagome/Ami, that ensures that our plans end when we want them to!

Like so (for EagleJarl):
  • 10 AM: Offer condolences to Ino.
  • 11 AM: Research basket weaving.
    • IFF you successfully made ten baskets: immediately go to argue Deontology vs. Utilitarianism with Ami.
  • 2 PM: Talk to Mari and Keiko.
  • 3 PM: Discuss My Vision with Ami.
This is a flawless strategy that could not possibly go wrong. QMs can't even read it — I hid it under two parentheses!))

Would "discuss" be better?
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In munchkinful MfD, system games you!

More specifically, @eaglejarl and I have been discussing this very topic, namely interwoven updates to coordinate character specialisations. However, it is still at the discussion stage, and terrible things will happen to those who set out to exploit it.

Dissonance said:
Consider the space of Sealing Failures.

Now consider the space of Negative Sealing Failures. Consider the space of Positive Sealing Failures. Compare the two.

If you suspect that Positive Sealing Failures have anywhere near as much probability mass as Negative Sealing Failures..... NOT PESSIMISTIC ENOUGH!
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To some extent, this is a matter of perspective. Insofar as a remarkable proportion of players seem to be preoccupied with causing destruction on a massive scale...

Cariyaga said:
By the way @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Did Iron Nerve lose its death saving throw in the system transition? I don't see it in the rules...
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Good call; will discuss.

huhYeahGoodPoint said:
On the other hand, those two one-person clans are Leaf's only two proper S-Rankers remaining, and make up an easy 20-40% of Leaf's remaining combat power, on top of a social-spec/taijutsu/genjutsu jonin named the "Heartbreaker", which probably contributes about 2-5% of Leaf's combat power, on top of one Leaf's few remaining sealmasters capable of making skywalkers - in fact, due to Hazou, the one sealmaster has effectively double the skywalker production rate, and skywalkers are one of Leaf's few remaining competitive advantages.
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You keep using the word "remaining". Did we ever give you a number for sealmasters who died at Nagi Island?

MMKII said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail

I vaguely recall there being something about a dowry from the Nara for the wedding mentioned a long while back. Did we get that?
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Good call; will discuss.
 
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Hmm. I was thinking. Leaf's perception of Goketsu strength is certainly lower than our own, due to a number of reasons.

Maybe it would be worth it (and also contribute to the What The Hell Is Up With Hazō thing that Shikaku surely would've been trying to keep track of that he probably passed on to Shikamaru) to take a single chakra beast clearing mission, and use it to test a singular bigass explosion that all of Leaf will notice from miles away and will leave a disquieting crater.

"Oops." -Hazō
 
Didn't we already have a purely positive sealing failure? The one where we temporarily dropped into another realm and @OliWhail ended up being transformed into a QM. Granted, I don't know how painful the transformation was or how uncomfortable his new state of being, but the rest of us definitely benefited.
 
Velorien said:
You keep using the word "remaining". Did we ever give you a number for sealmasters who died at Nagi Island?
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Given that you told us that there are 30 sealmasters more or less. Jiraiya is dead, so 29 sealmasters remain. This is a very conservative estimate.

2 / 29 means that the Gokestu are about 7% of the entire sealmaster population in Leaf.
 
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Rafin said:
Didn't we already have a purely positive sealing failure? The one where we temporarily dropped into another realm and @OliWhail ended up being transformed into a QM. Granted, I don't know how painful the transformation was or how uncomfortable his new state of being, but the rest of us definitely benefited.
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The phrasing used was "Torn from the hivemind". He sacrificed himself for Hazou, and is a hero.
 
Kiba said:
Given that you told us that there are 30 sealmasters more or less. Jiraiya is dead, so 29 sealmasters remain. This is a very conservative estimate.

2 / 29 means that the Gokestu are about 7% of the entire sealmaster population in Leaf.
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This is down from 3/30, 10% of the sealmaster population. We need at least 5 more other sealmasters dead.
 
I am pretty sure there will be now dowry given or received. In Addition, asking for one will cost further political capital. Nara's shotgun wedding already spent some in order to secure the clans existence down the line.
 
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The QM refused to put a number, so we're going with a fuzzy overview.

Clan Finance:

  • Assets:
    • 457,218 Ryo from Mist Gambling
    • Last shipment of Pangolin Gold
    • Royalties from Jiraiya's novel series. Presumably.
    • Finder fees from Mist merchants. Presumably.
    • Dowry from the Nara.
    • Akane's family business. Future.
  • Liabilities
    • Last shipment of skytowers
    • Clan compound mortgage
    • General living expenses and allowance
    • Adoption of Uchiha members (currently useless)
    • Investment into Akane's family business. Future.
  • Ways to earn money (currently)
    • Missions
    • Seals
 
Noumero said:
Come to think of it, that's exploitable — it could be used to enforce exit conditions! We also know that Velorien has trouble writing Kagome. If we explicitly schedule events so that our plans end at a particular time XOR Velorien/EagleJarl has to write Kagome/Ami, that ensures that our plans end when we want them to!
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This is literally the worst idea I've seen in the thread in the last week, and that's saying something.

In seriousness, jokes about manipulating us are extremely unwise. Someone could latch onto the idea and start trying to do it for real, at which point things get bad for everyone.

Rafin said:
Does that include the wedding party?
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Good point. Based on the tables of food, yes, there will be an afterparty.


Kiba said:
Given that you told us that there are 30 sealmasters more or less. Jiraiya is dead, so 29 sealmasters remain. This is a very conservative estimate.

2 / 29 means that the Gokestu are about 7% of the entire sealmaster population in Leaf.
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Why do you believe that none of the sealmasters were at Nagi Island? I'm not saying they were or were not, simply asking.
 
Kiba said:
Shikamaru needed to do it in order to stabilize Mist.
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Oh. I read it differently. I thought he announced his marriage to Keiko in Mist, because he was too lazy to look for an agreeable alternative. He made it public so that his clan could not change things around in the future. I don't see how that had any influence on the mist internal stability.
 
eaglejarl said:
Why do you believe that none of the sealmasters were at Nagi Island? I'm not saying they were or were not, simply asking.
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I always thought of most sealmasters as being too valuable to risk on the frontline with people like Jiraiya being the exception.

Even a jounin like Kagome would be better served staying in Leaf, researching and teaching other people.
 
eaglejarl said:
This is literally the worst idea I've seen in the thread in the last week, and that's saying something.

In seriousness, jokes about manipulating us are extremely unwise. Someone could latch onto the idea and start trying to do it for real, at which point things get bad for everyone.
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To expand on this, the impact of QMs' OOC decisions on IC events is constrained by simulationism. You are proposing removing that constraint.
 
So let's do some math. All of these are rough calculations right now so things are probably bit skewed one way or another. We know that when we first got to Leaf they had 50 jounin. During the Battle of Gods they lost 12 jounin + the third. We know during the ultimate showdown they lost approximately the same amount. Let's just say that Leaf is down to 25 jounin. We personally know of 5 jounin who are clanless (Kurenai, Anko, Ibiki, Kabuto and Minori) add in Tsunade and we know that there are 19 jounin for 13 clans with more ninja than Gōketsu. So on average every clan will have 1.5 jounin.

Let's look at the number of chunnin each clan would have. Let's say that the clanless make up a quarter of the chunnin population. That means there are 186 clan chunnin. Which means the average clan has 14 chunnin.

If we assume that the clanless make up 1/3 of Genin that means that the average clan has 65 Genin in it
 
Kiba said:
I said it's a very conservative estimate. There's no information regarding as to how many sealmasters were at Nagi Island, except the only known one to us.
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More math! If we assume that only chunnin and jounin are seal masters the numbers line up within one order of magnitude of the total number of chunnin + jounin. Thus a good estimate is that 2-3 seal masters died in the two recent conflicts. So leaf probably has 3 seal masters at Kagome-sensei's level
 
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