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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Raichu1972 said:
Tbh, if we've gotten to the point where Keiko is willing to kill her brother than a lot of people have fucked up in a lot of places, and I'm not really sure what to do about it.

But semi related to that subject, it might not actually be a good idea to mass adopt clanless right now.
Out of the six people in our clan, one is extremely distrustful of everyone and possibly about to leave (Keiko) and the other is in full social fu "win by any means" mode, even to those of her own clan (Mari).

Bringing in new people who no one in the Clan are super familiar with will likely only exacerbate these issues, while also likely causing problems for one of the relatively stable members of the Clan (Kagome) right now.

I'm just worried we might fracture if we try to reach too far too fast.

Edit: It might even be better to get Noburi to stop looking for recruits and to go on damage control for Keiko. I've been wondering why he hasn't been using his socials to help us out with that before I remembered that we had him off doing other things.
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I agree that that the mass adoption should be averted. Aside from Akane and Naruto, I don't think we should adopt any ninja in the near future. We just haven't had the time to properly vet any clanless ninja and nobody currently is so strikingly desirable/politically convenient at the moment.

I think we should be careful about how we approach Noburi. Despite him being the most sane member of the clan, he's still an emotional boy.
 
huhYeahGoodPoint said:
See, I really, honestly agree with you. The problem is that when I read the update, Hazou doesn't.




Hazou directed the attack, and would have attempted it himself if Mari didn't offer to do it for him better. In a very real sense, Hazou sought specifically to prevent her from terminating the contract, and gave permission for Mari to make her attempt to stop it.

IMO, voting in this plan would backfire because the message sent would be "what you did wrong was fail", not "what you did wrong was to use your full ability against a clan member".

What we need to do first, again, imo, is to reflect that it has been two weeks tops since this:

But somehow, the moment we became Clan Head we pretty much signed off on Keiko's primary value being the Pangolin Contract and willingly approved Mari's attack on Keiko to make her back down from the decision she needed to make.

We really need to reflect on this. Realize that we're going full Jiraiya, just not S-Rank.

Realize that we need to do better.

In combination with another initiative:

To socialize with the clan heads more. Shikamaru pretty much told us straight out our good relations with the clan heirs is a significant part of our present legitimacy; we should play that up some more.

To make this:

[X] Action Plan: Ino, You Know
  • Reflection
    • (Following Keiko and Tenten's departure)
    • He insisted that Keiko wasn't allowed to stop the Pangolin arms-deal ahead of schedule, after she put in considerable thought towards mitigating the issues, on knee-jerk impulse to value the clan over the individual.
    • Hazou very recently expressed the opposite sentiment; the primary difference between then and now being Jiraiya's death and Hazou becoming Clan Head.
    • Hazou hated it when Jiraiya did it, so why does he think it is good now?
    • Jiraiya...Jiraiya was great. But - no, and - he had flaws, some of which Hazou picked up.
    • One of them was this. Hazou needs to acknowledge that he has valued the utility to the clan over the people, hurting Keiko and Mari.
      • He ordered Mari to attack Keiko, which deeply wounded both.
    • Resolve to discuss this with the clan.
      • Especially Keiko and Mari.
  • Mari
    • (Soon after reflection)
    • Admit your mistake in trying to override Keiko and using her to do so. Reaffirm you take full responsibility for her actions to protect the clan.
      • Amend your order: "protect the members of the clan". The clan means nothing if we treat it as an abstract ideal and harm its members.
      • "Clan" includes her: her well-being matters.
        • Her self-image is part of her well-being.
        • She's making progress; keep it up!
  • Ino
    • (Retroactively) Get Mari's help on a bouquet of mourning.
      • Considerations:
        • We're friends with Ino, allies to the Yamanaka, but didn't really know Inoichi.
    • Meet Ino at her convenience.
      • We'd like to express our condolences, and talk some business.
      • Gift her the bouquet.
      • Condolences:
        • Could you tell us about the friend we never got to make?
      • Business:
        • Who are the Yamanaka supporting for the Hat?
        • Is there anything we can do to help?
        • Can she introduce us to the diplomatic corps?
      • Thank her for her time.

Lines that were tempting to add but had to be cut: losing two fathers makes us somewhat of an expert on the subject
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In light of the wedding being, over, I have changed the Ino section again. This time, there's no real point to subtlety; we can just express condolences.
 
I have to wonder, are there objectively (more or less) beneficial sealing failures?

I get there are relatively benign ones, but is "You now have a pet baby HorrorTerror following you. Schlebfjd's name is SplaBlorp. Treat xhfbeh well." on the roulette wheel somewhere?

Wouldn't that be a hoot!
 
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MMKII said:
I have to wonder, are there objectively (more or less) beneficial sealing failures?

I get there are relatively benign ones, but is "You now have a pet baby HorrorTerror following you. Schlebfjd's name is SplaBlorp. Treat them well." on the roulette wheel somewhere?

Wouldn't that be a hoot!
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Consider the space of Sealing Failures.

Now consider the space of Negative Sealing Failures. Consider the space of Positive Sealing Failures. Compare the two.

If you suspect that Positive Sealing Failures have anywhere near as much probability mass as Negative Sealing Failures..... NOT PESSIMISTIC ENOUGH!
 
MMKII said:
I have to wonder, are there objectively (more or less) beneficial sealing failures?
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I've also wondered that. I wish we could make research into sealing failures, attempt to figure out how their effects are distributed statistically. Too bad there's probably a Thing out there which eats people who decide to do that.

Can't wait until Kagome teaches his second generation of sealmasters. So much experiment fodder assistants!
 
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Dissonance said:
Consider the space of Sealing Failures.

Now consider the space of Negative Sealing Failures. Consider the space of Positive Sealing Failures. Compare the two.

If you suspect that Positive Sealing Failures have anywhere near as much probability mass as Negative Sealing Failures..... NOT PESSIMISTIC ENOUGH!
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Of course its not a good idea to game. I like reality being existent.

It would be utterly hilarious to me if we got:

Sealing Failure! Everything in timespace gets YEETED!

HAZOU: Whelp. Iron Nerve death saving throw. Gamblers luck, RNJashin and CHAOS gods, don't fail me now...

Sealing Failure! You now have Orichalcum Bones!

HAZOU: OH HELL THE FUCK YEAH!Thank you Jashin, thank you CHAOS gods, thank you Sage of the Six Paths!
 
MMKII said:
I have to wonder, are there objectively (more or less) beneficial sealing failures?

I get there are relatively benign ones, but is "You now have a pet baby HorrorTerror following you. Schlebfjd's name is SplaBlorp. Treat xhfbeh well." on the roulette wheel somewhere?

Wouldn't that be a hoot!
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Well, I imagine it's not theoretically impossible. But...

If a sealing failure happened and the result seemed benign, would you trust it to be actually benign?

No, better blow it up anyways.
 
Wait. I've just realized why the world is still in tact in spite of sealing.

It's because there are enough Kurosawa alive to make their death saving throw against the universe being destroyed!

So obviously, we have a moral imperative for there to be as many Kurosawa as possible.
 
Cariyaga said:
Wait. I've just realized why the world is still in tact in spite of sealing.

It's because there are enough Kurosawa alive to make their death saving throw against the universe being destroyed!

So obviously, we have a moral imperative for there to be as many Kurosawa as possible.
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All we need to do is rewrite reality to have "death" mean "anything the Hivemind dislikes" so that whenever Bad Things(TM) happens every Kurosawa will reroll until the Bad Thing(TM) goes away.

My plan is flawless :V
 
Cariyaga said:
Wait. I've just realized why the world is still in tact in spite of sealing.

It's because there are enough Kurosawa alive to make their death saving throw against the universe being destroyed!

So obviously, we have a moral imperative for there to be as many Kurosawa as possible.
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HAZOU: Do you ever wake up wirh strange thoughts?

NOBURI: What do you mean?

HAZOU: Very occasionally I wake up and theres a new justification I have for getting a harem. A year-ish ago it was something about Sharingan kids and Leaf bargaining, now it was about--

NOBURI: Look, I get that your ex is now our sister and thats probably really weird and confusing for you, but we can find you someone without turning the world upside down.

HAZOU: No, I swear its not--

NOBURI: I'm serious Hazou, I think all this stress is getting to you. How about we head over to the Broken Blade and get you out of your comfort zone a bit?

HAZOU: Fine. Maybe Kagome-sensei will understand...
 
Cariyaga said:
You cannot beat me to the homestuck references. I am simply the best there is.
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But do you have to catch them all?

MMKII said:
I have to wonder, are there objectively (more or less) beneficial sealing failures?
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By way of analogy...

Imagine an object of random size and shape appears in contact with your left pinky. Every atom in this thing is chosen at random from the periodic table.

What percentage of the time do you end up with a positive outcome?
 
huhYeahGoodPoint said:
One billionth is still not zero!
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It's actually zero, but not for the obvious reason.

Lets just assume that the atom thing isn't even a factor for a moment (ie condition on it always coming up millhouse. UNLIKELY but it doesn't matter.)

@eaglejarl said "random size and shape" so there are still infinitely many shapes and sizes in which you die regardless of what the thing is made of. Do you think having a tilted skyscraper popping up in contact with your pinky is going to end well? Nah, you're dead.

E: To those in the audience who are an ultrafinitist or take issue with my abuse of measure-theoretic probability there, then NYEEEEHH!! :p you know what I mean
 
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MMKII said:
It's actually zero, but not for the obvious reason.

Lets just assume that the atom thing isn't even a factor for a moment (ie condition on it always coming up millhouse. UNLIKELY but it doesn't matter.)

@eaglejarl said "random size and shape" so there are still infinitely many shapes and sizes in which you die regardless of what the thing is made of. Do you think having a tilted skyscraper popping up in contact with your pinky is going to end well? Nah, you're dead.

E: To those in the audience wbo are an ultrafinitist or take issue with my abuse of measure-theoretic probability there, then NYEEEEHH!! :p you know what I mean
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Also infinitely many shapes and sizes in which we get something super useful! An indefinite segment of infinity is still infinity :)
 
firestorm440 said:
Also infinitely many shapes and sizes in which we get something super useful! An indefinite segment of infinity is still infinity :)
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I mean, if you wanna hedge on the smaller (depending on your measure) pile of infinities...

Well, you can take that bet but I'll be standing over there. Preferably a universe or two over.
 
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