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[X] Action Plan: Growing Goketsu
[x] Action plan: forming the party
[X] Action Plan: Growing Goketsu
[x] Action plan: forming the party
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Emstar
The Shining One
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The very last thing Jiraiya did was to hand off pretty much unilateral control of our entire family to someone none of us have ever met before.
It's super clear from the will that he regrets failing Naruto and is trying to make up for past sins. Now that we also know that Uzumaki are a minor clan with a vote, I can pretty much confidently say this:
He is not acting rationally here. This was an emotionally compromised decision.
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Remind me: Is this the case?
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Maybe so, the problem still remains
"Hey, our dad will doesn't really means what it means, so we are doing another thing instead,because we clearly know better than him" and "He was emotionally compromised, so we are going to ignore his last wishes" are really not best way to engage the first meeting with an adopted brother we never saw, who just lost said father and the closest thing he had to a grandfather and you know the drill.
We are expected to do one thing for Naruto, going there and saying "You know that thing we need to do for you, we are not going to do that", it's a message.
Not the best, in my opinion.
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It's not WoG that Hiashi would press for Naruto to lose his seat, but it's likely enough from what I can see that it's easy to assume it is so.
I still think there's a chance that there was some hidden agenda that Hazou doesn't understand... but I'm not counting on it. Looking at the information we have:
- Naruto becoming a Gouketsu could lose him the Uzumaki seat, halving the collective power he would have by being Lord Hazou's ally.
- Hazou is deeply entrenched as Team Leader. The clan knows and trusts him and is used to following his direction and advising him. Naruto is a complete unknown.
- Kagome thinks Naruto is the Kyuubi. He will absolutely not trust his leadership, and is liable to mutiny for the sake of our protection, the way he did with Minami.
- Mari is currently an extension of Hazou's will. That seems a difficult thing to swap ownership of.
- Naruto wouldn't even have to lose access to all the Gouketsu stuff. We can sign a treaty saying the Gouketsu and Uzumaki share all their resources, making us the same clan in all but name (and crucially, therefore, council seat).
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That is true up till the point where said foes are dead. Which might be sooner rather than later. We really have no clue how they otherwise feel about each other.
@Inferno Vulpix Did you see my suggestion regarding explaining our PTSD episode? I completely understand if you think it isn't worth the word count. I just want to make sure you didn't simply miss it.
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail You previously said that Naruto's parentage is common knowledge. How come Naruto is an Uzumaki instead of a Namikaze? And given that the Namikaze aren't in the list at all, is it correct to assume that Hayate and Kaguya Namikaze aren't a thing in MfD? Or at least not insofar the Leaf clan council is concerned?
Edit: Cancel that. The Naruto Wiki seems to have fanon pages mixed in or something. Or I just stumbled somewhere wrong through Google.
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Who The Fuck
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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Keep in mind that he was also a complete wreck internally and pretty bad at politics compared to others, by his own admission. (Also Super Arrogant).
He also said to not let anything stop us from getting the world we want built.
I dunno about y'all, but in the hypothetical scenario where the J man was Canon-Edo-Tensei'd and we could query him, this is how I picture it going:
HAZOU: So about your will...
JIRAIYA: Yep.
HAZOU: We lose a vote and clan council seat. Also theres some serious problems here?Why don't we....?
JIRAIYA: Doh. Yeah, do that...
HAZOU: Cool.
In fact, I advise plan makers to have Hazou draft such a treaty (have Kei help) and bring it to show Naruto when we talk to him.
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The Naruto wiki and the Narutofanon wiki look identical with the latter linking to the former. I falied at using Google correctly.
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But then we also lose a Council seat!
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I disagree. Bringing a legal contract to our first meeting is even worse. Just honestly and clearly state what problem we see when it comes to adopting him and suggest an alternative that is essentially the same.
And if Naruto's Jiraiya letter tells him that he should be our clan head and we don't want to contradict him, even that can be fixed with the following:
- Goketsu swears Uzumaki fealty for the rest of Naruto's life. If that would somehow cost us the council seat as well for not being an independent clan, we keep that part secret and/or word it in appropriately different legalese.
- All Uzumaki clan members are welcome within Goketsu clan property.
- Both clan heads have access to all of the other clan's clan secrets, but not the right to reveal them without asking.
- Perpetual alliance stuff.
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Yeah I completely missed that, sorry. Decided it was fine to keep my plan in the 300's tier and forgot about that idea.
It's a good idea, though I'll need to scrunch something somewhere to get the words back.
Well. Yes. I pointed that out on discord. But I think that makes it harder to convince him, not impossible. MfD Naruto sounds pretty reasonable from what we've heard, so don't rule out the idea of "a single clan with two names" working just yet.
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Yeah, I'm being careful about how I approach the topic in my plan. I start off with 'delay' and 'be tricky' so it doesn't read like we don't want him in the clan, and then after explaining the issue the first suggested solution is to make it so Naruto can be adopted in without losing his Uzumaki seat.
I recognize that that first option is not the maximally preferred one, but I think it's the best one to lead with, since Naruto will probably react better if he thinks our first solution idea is to make the adoption work anyways.
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I'd like to lead him on, actually. As in, ask about his current Clan seat and what will happen to it once he's adopted, and once Naruto realizes that it might be dissolved, ask what we could do to prevent that from happening. Let Naruto notice the issue and then we can propose solutions without the risk of sounding bad.
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
Right. My new speculation is that the Sage isn't stealing other people's bodies, he is just sitting there in plain view, and an S-rank mind-alteration jutsu makes everyone else not question it. We're safe because we're on the outside.
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That's a good idea, how about:
- Ask about the Uzumaki council seat and what'll happen when he's adopted.
- If he doesn't already have a solution:
- If we can vote in a Hokage favourable to us, we could convince them to rule that you wouldn't lose the Uzumaki seat.
- Alternatively, we could simply bind the Uzumaki and Goketsu so close together that they're the same clan in all but name.
- Or you could adopt someone else into the Uzumaki and then get adopted into the Goketsu, so the clan just passes to them.
- If he doesn't already have a solution:
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Eh? The only Deceit we'd be doing is the implication that we hadn't thought of the problem before. And if Naruto saw through it he would know that we're being sincere in our concern, with no ulterior motives.
We do have no ulterior motives, right?