Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

Rafin · May 10, 2019

[x] Lore Update

[x] Interlude: Jiraiya's Notes on the Politics of the Seventh Path

[] Action Plan: Growing Goketsu

MMKII said:
We'd like to nab him before someone like the Sarutobi do if possible.

If they wanted him, why didn't they already adopt him? From what I've gathered, opportunistic adoptions aren't really common in Leaf.

@eaglejarl iirc, the second to last chapter got written despite [] Lore Update being in the lead. Does that mean that votes for Lore updates can and will often be vetoed?

Also, did Jiraiya leave anything in the pile of Answers he wrote down for us that is imminently relevant?

eaglejarl said:
He has left answers to most of your questions scribbled on the sheets that you sent to him. The contents of those answers have not been defined; we'll probably use them as an excuse going forward to say "Yes, Jiraiya said it was okay to do that" or "Jiraiya's notes say that..." etc.

faflec · May 10, 2019

[X] Lore Update
[x] Interlude: Jiraiya's Notes on the Politics of the Seventh Path
[x] Interlude: The Akatsuki Book: A Kagome Summary
[X] Interlude: Jiraiya's Spy Notes

Oneiros · May 10, 2019

Rafin said:
Anyone have a clue on how we will survive without a claim to Pangolin gold in less than a week's time? We gave that task to Keiko, but she sure as hell didn't expect to be gone so soon already.
And even if she still lives in town with us, her valuable time will be heavily made use of by Shikamaru as we saw in this update.

Within in a month we can have Noburi sell the seals to the pangolins.

Rafin said:
Noburi has been by our side at Tsunade's. Now that we are clan head these type of blunders are even more painful, even if it's just in front of our siblings.

Edited this

Rafin said:
I am against this until we have heard out wether Keiko has some actually sound reasons to be against this. Adoption means making them family. Keiko's feelings matter. Even if we end up wanting to adopt him despite her not wanting it, offering her compromises is still on the table. And none of this gets completely negated by the fact that she may move out in less than a week.

And we aren't making a decision right now. We are just making a strong case

Rafin said:
We should slow down there. If I recall correctly, wasn't there some concrete reason that he hadn't married into any clan yet.
Also, are we sure that Yakushi isn't some minor ninja family? Can we adopt people from minor clans?

He's married to his work. But we are offering him an opportunity to do bloodline research which is his work

Rafin said:
I think we should ask for Mari's assistance on that. Maybe leave the meeting to her entirely.

Sure we can have Mari at the meeting. We are just scheduling one for a future update

Emstar · May 10, 2019

Rafin said:
[x] Lore Update

[x] Interlude: Jiraiya's Notes on the Politics of the Seventh Path

[X] Action Plan: Growing Goketsu

If they wanted him, why didn't they already adopt him? From what I've gathered, opportunistic adoptions aren't really common in Leaf.

@eaglejarl iirc, the second to last chapter got written despite [] Lore Update being in the lead. Does that mean that votes for Lore updates can and will often be vetoed?

Also, did Jiraiya leave anything in the pile of Answers he wrote down for us that is imminently relevant?

You are assuming his opinion on whether or not he would like to be adopted by (Insert person) remains unchanged since he recieved news of his father figure and career meal-ticket dying approximately 1-2 days ago IC.

Inferno Vulpix · May 10, 2019

Updated the Lee section to push a bit harder in favour of him, and added a line to not bring up politics when talking to Naruto here.

Inferno Vulpix said:
We need to learn what happened in the BotG ASAP, and discussing potential adoptions can wait until Noburi's got his report ready. So instead I added a scene for intel-gathering (and maybe an emotional Chouza scene) and overhauled the Naruto section with our new information.

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[X] Action Plan: Growing Goketsu

Find out the full story of the Battle of the Gods.

Is there an official record of events in the Tower?

Reach out to someone who was there, like Chouza.

This must be really hard on Chouza too, to lose teammates so close to him.

Ask if he'd like to work with us creating a memorial.

Clan Growth:

We still need to wait for Noburi's report, but Akane and Tenten are shoe-ins.

If it's fine with the rest of the clan, make offers:

Akane's family:

All of Team Uplift that's available should go.

You're family already, so the offer's always open.

Tenten:

Keiko should go alone.

We trust her judgement, and she knows Tenten best.

About Lee:

He's very talented and we should do right by Gai's memory if we can.

Could we mitigate his difficult personality? Soundproofing, house rules, etc.?

Ask Kagome if he's willing to train new sealmasters, given they're worthy?

It's a great opportunity for many ninja, and in exchange we can have them make explosives for us.

Toad Scroll:

Since Naruto isn't eligible, Noburi should have it.

Great chakra reserves, good social skills.

Maybe ask Kabuto to ensure there aren't any problems?

Naruto:

Jiraiya's message to Naruto probably gives him the basics on the Goketsu and his position with it.

If he doesn't specify who he'd like to meet, bring Noburi, Keiko, and Akane.

We promised Jiraiya we'd support him. Be gentle and understanding.

Introduce ourselves and offer condolences.

Answer any questions he has for us.

Let him read Jiraiya's will.

If he's willing and doesn't already know it, give a quick rundown of Team Uplift's story, how we became the Goketsu, and what we stand for.

Leave the Clan Head topic and other politics alone unless he brings it up.

MadScientist · May 10, 2019

Rafin said:
[x] Lore Update

[x] Interlude: Jiraiya's Notes on the Politics of the Seventh Path

[X] Action Plan: Growing Goketsu

If they wanted him, why didn't they already adopt him? From what I've gathered, opportunistic adoptions aren't really common in Leaf.

@eaglejarl iirc, the second to last chapter got written despite [] Lore Update being in the lead. Does that mean that votes for Lore updates can and will often be vetoed?

Also, did Jiraiya leave anything in the pile of Answers he wrote down for us that is imminently relevant?

Because until very recently "adoption into a clan" wasn't a thing. Clans were families and the only way to get in was marriage. The formation of the Gouketsu set precedent that clans didn't need to be family, and we need to snatch up all the good candidates before that sinks in properly for the other clans.

Velorien · May 10, 2019

Noumero said:
@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail, what is the list of all Leaf clans? You were making it (and checking it twice).

The following are prominent clans with places on the Clan Council:
Hyūga
Uchiha
Aburame
Nara
Yamanaka
Akimichi
Sarutobi
Inuzuka
Gōketsu
Kurusu
Kyosho
Motoyoshi
Amori
Hagoromo
Minami
Senju
Uzumaki

While other clans exist, they lack political weight and are often little more than large families with a handful of secret abilities and the weight of tradition behind them.

faflec · May 10, 2019

MadScientist said:
Because until very recently "adopption into a clan" wasn't a thing. Clans were families and the only way to get in was marriage. The formation of the Gouketsu set precedent that clans didn't need to be family, and we need to snatch up all the good candidates before that sinks in properly for the other clans.

eaglejarl said:
You were locked out of the advantages of the clan system (unless someone deigned to adopt you, but that was uncommon) and there was nothing you could do about it, because you almost certainly didn't have enough ninja in your family to be worthy of the name 'clan'.

Adoptin into a clan is a thing, it's just "uncommon". I mean, Tenten could decline offers from clans, that says something.

Inferno Vulpix · May 10, 2019

Velorien said:
Uzumaki

This sounds like good news to me. Even if Naruto's not the head of his clan, they're still likely to vote for him if he runs.

Velorien said:
Hagoromo

...

...

Nani.

hYGP · May 10, 2019

Velorien said:
Gōketsu

Velorien said:
While other clans exist, they lack political weight and are often little more than large families with a handful of secret abilities and the weight of tradition behind them.

Hiashi would like to speak to the manager

Lord Marshal · May 10, 2019

I propose something along these lines:

Jiraiya gave personally gave us permission.
-Propose to make Jiraiya a member of Uplift: after everything he said, he stood with us.
-Uplift mission is unchanged.
-To a world were this won't happen anymore.
-The Fifth Hokage is with us,now and forever.
Recover Akane
-Go to Akane, All of you.
-Explain the situation: She's family, and she deserves better, she always been a part of Goketsu, we should have fought for her, even against a Sannin.
-We are going to adopt her, if she wants to be part of Goketsu.
-You must warn her, it could be dangerous, we are a newborn clan without Jiraiya...you don't want to put her in danger.
-But we're ninja,everything is dangerous, You'll respect her will, as it her choice.
-We're sorry, for everything, and we would love if she were to be Goketsu, once again and forever.

This said

Inferno Vulpix said:
[X] Action Plan: Growing Goketsu

Find out the full story of the Battle of the Gods.

Is there an official record of events in the Tower?

Reach out to someone who was there, like Chouza.

This must be really hard on Chouza too, to lose teammates so close to him.

Ask if he'd like to work with us creating a memorial.

Clan Growth:

We still need to wait for Noburi's report, but Akane and Tenten are shoe-ins.

If it's fine with the rest of the clan, make offers:

Akane's family:

All of Team Uplift that's available should go.

You're family already, so the offer's always open.

Tenten:

Keiko should go alone.

We trust her judgement, and she knows Tenten best.

About Lee:

He's very talented and we should do right by Gai's memory if we can.

Could we mitigate his difficult personality? Soundproofing, house rules, etc.?

Ask Kagome if he's willing to train new sealmasters, given they're worthy?

It's a great opportunity for many ninja, and in exchange we can have them make explosives for us.

Toad Scroll:

Since Naruto isn't eligible, Noburi should have it.

Great chakra reserves, good social skills.

Maybe ask Kabuto to ensure there aren't any problems?

Naruto:

Jiraiya's message to Naruto probably gives him the basics on the Goketsu and his position with it.

If he doesn't specify who he'd like to meet, bring Noburi, Keiko, and Akane.

We promised Jiraiya we'd support him. Be gentle and understanding.

Introduce ourselves and offer condolences.

Answer any questions he has for us.

Let him read Jiraiya's will.

If he's willing and doesn't already know it, give a quick rundown of Team Uplift's story, how we became the Goketsu, and what we stand for.

Leave the Clan Head topic and other politics alone unless he brings it up.

Points for Lee discussion:
-Tenten and Lee are team, they already work well together
-Mari helped us, now we can help someone, aren't we uplift?
-Leaving him alone means another Gai, we can help him control the Spirit of Youth, explain to him where he's wrong.
-Gai way of life was, in a certain way, a predecessor, as foolish as it was,of Uplift, so we owe him, as someone that tried to our own road in his own way and died trying.
-Because of the point above, it cannot be allowed to die like this, much like Uplift should not be crushed because of the unfairness of the world.

should we note something along the lines of "Adoption means joining Uplift, not simple adoption to be a stronger clan"?

EDIT: Of course, i forgot.
[X] Action Plan: Growing Goketsu

faflec · May 10, 2019

Velorien said:
The following are prominent clans with places on the Clan Council:
Hyūga
Uchiha
Aburame
Nara
Yamanaka
Akimichi
Sarutobi
Inuzuka
Gōketsu
Kurusu
Taketori
Motoyoshi
Amori
Hagoromo
Senju
Uzumaki

While other clans exist, they lack political weight and are often little more than large families with a handful of secret abilities and the weight of tradition behind them.

Wow, holy shit Hiashi invited Minami and Kyosho even though they didn't even have places on the Clan Council? wtf.jpg

MadScientist · May 10, 2019

Velorien said:
The following are prominent clans with places on the Clan Council:
Hyūga
Uchiha
Aburame
Nara
Yamanaka
Akimichi
Sarutobi
Inuzuka
Gōketsu
Kurusu
Taketori
Motoyoshi
Amori
Hagoromo
Senju
Uzumaki

While other clans exist, they lack political weight and are often little more than large families with a handful of secret abilities and the weight of tradition behind them.

Does the Uzumaki clan contain anyone other than Naruto?

Does the Senju clan contain anyone other than Tsunade?

18scsc · May 10, 2019

Now that we have a clan list Whip Count V2 will be up shortly.

ContextBot · May 10, 2019

[X] Lore Update: Leaf Clan information

faflec · May 10, 2019

[X] Lore Update: Leaf Clan information

18scsc · May 10, 2019

[X] Lore Update: Leaf Clan information

Noumero · May 10, 2019

[X] Lore Update: Leaf Clan information

18scsc said:
Now that we have a clan list Whip Count V2 will be up shortly.

Consider adding an analysis for trying to vote Mari in. It sounds like Tsunade was saying it's possible. If Naruto isn't functional enough, for example...

Velorien · May 10, 2019

faflec said:
Wow, holy shit Hiashi invited Minami and Kyosho even though they didn't even have places on the Clan Council? wtf.jpg

Clerical error. We discovered that there were already canon minors to fit those slots, and were in two minds whether to change them for canon compliance. Apparently we didn't quite get it right. Taketori = Kyosho. Sage knows what happened to Minami. I'll update the list posted.

huhYeahGoodPoint said:
Hiashi would like to speak to the manager

Mari can tell you that the only reason the Gōketsu still exist, much less have a vote, is because forcibly removing voting rights or clan status would be a very dangerous precedent to set.

MadScientist said:
Does the Uzumaki clan contain anyone other than Naruto?

Does the Senju clan contain anyone other than Tsunade?

No to both.

MadScientist · May 10, 2019

Velorien said:
No to both.

If Naruto gets adopted does he cease to be the head of clan Uzumaki, or does he control an additional seat?

Velorien · May 10, 2019

MadScientist said:
If Naruto gets adopted does he cease to be the head of clan Uzumaki, or does he control an additional seat?

I don't believe there is precedent.

MadScientist · May 10, 2019

Velorien said:
I don't believe there is precedent.

Right then. @players: what do you want to bet Hiashi's faction will throw their weight behind "he loses the Uzumaki seat if he becomes a Gouketsu"?

In which case, we need Naruto to stay an Uzumaki. And Hazou remains Lord Gouketsu. And they work together, wielding twice as much political power.

Inferno Vulpix · May 10, 2019

MadScientist said:
Right then. @players: what do you want to bet Hiashi's faction will throw their weight behind "he loses the Uzumaki seat if he becomes a Gouketsu"?

In which case, we need Naruto to stay an Uzumaki. And Hazou remains Lord Gouketsu. And they work together, wielding twice as much political power.

Or perhaps we suggest that he stay an Uzumaki long enough for the Hokage vote and then get adopted into the Goketsu later?

MadScientist · May 10, 2019

Inferno Vulpix said:
Or perhaps we suggest that he stay an Uzumaki long enough for the Hokage vote and then get adopted into the Goketsu later?

Honestly, throwing away a council seat... ever strikes me as the worst idea. Those things are damn near impossible to get your hands on and incredibly valuable, since the clans can vote on stuff even when there's a hokage.

Lord Marshal · May 10, 2019

MadScientist said:
Right then. @players: what do you want to bet Hiashi's faction will throw their weight behind "he loses the Uzumaki seat if he becomes a Gouketsu"?

In which case, we need Naruto to stay an Uzumaki. And Hazou remains Lord Gouketsu. And they work together, wielding twice as much political power.

The Uzumaki would still vote for Naruto Hokage.
Regardless, Hiashi in this situation is understandably right, a person doing so could easily ....
We found it.
The way to bring Leaf into Uplift.
Quick, we need to marry as many clan heir as we can!
Shikamaru, stop! Marry us, not Keiko!Sweet Clan votes!

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