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[x] Action Plan: Hazou's Busy Day To The Power Of Minus One
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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I think for clarity's sake this should be "Check the following with Jiraiya", or "Check our plans for meeting foreigners with J".
It seems like this could be improved on with extra layers of misdirection? Especially if Kotsuzui asks.
Other possibilities:
I don't get what this is meant to do? It makes sense to treat it as a fuckup, but what does it mean in practice to say "do not talk about it"? Obviously we're not going to talk about it in public anyway, but it definitely seems relevant to discuss privately with the clan. Maybe just "do not talk about it outside of private clan discussions"?
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I'd prefer the breadth of "remember OPSEC". If you want flair, you could do "remember OPSEC as if you just totally broke it last night and are now beating yourself up about it."
I think for clarity's sake this should be "Check the following with Jiraiya", or "Check our plans for meeting foreigners with J".
It seems like this could be improved on with extra layers of misdirection? Especially if Kotsuzui asks.
Other possibilities:
- Shaped explosives
- [these are a real thing Kagome has, but I think they're not specific to him]
- We got busted up real bad, but used a disguise kit + soldier pills to keep going for a bit
- [I assume Akimichi soldier pills are well-known]
I don't get what this is meant to do? It makes sense to treat it as a fuckup, but what does it mean in practice to say "do not talk about it"? Obviously we're not going to talk about it in public anyway, but it definitely seems relevant to discuss privately with the clan. Maybe just "do not talk about it outside of private clan discussions"?
@Oneiros -specific: (minor point)
I'd prefer the breadth of "remember OPSEC". If you want flair, you could do "remember OPSEC as if you just totally broke it last night and are now beating yourself up about it."
Noumero
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"Check the entire plan with Jiraiya"?
No. We need to be consistent, and there's not much to improve.
If someone asks, we say that Kotsuzui's body/jutsu protected us. It's not something we have to hide if it's true, after all. If they believe us, that's that. If they don't believe us, e. g. if they're a social specialist and detect the lie, we continue to insist on it like a good little ninja. They go away eventually, start gathering information about us, learn about Hazou making some mistake with Ikeda recently, then either go directly to her to fish for info, or try to get the information from Sand otherwise. Then they either learn that it's a Kurosawa thing, or figure out it's nothing that important from circumstantial evidence (e. g., the Sand doesn't try to kidnap Hazou for his OP jutsu) and stop there.
The fiction we've created is that Ikeda seduced Hazou, he slipped up, corrected himself, and has been trying to pay attention to his words ever since. Keep it simple.
I think it's mostly flavour text to shape Hazou's mindset? As in, he shouldn't think of last night and remember himself masterfully executing a double-layer deception, he should act as though he just made the most banal OPSEC blunder in recent memory. @MMKII?
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Noumero
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Optimized the plan for wordcount a bit, and added asking Keiko about Ryugamine. Feedback?
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- USA
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- He/Him
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- Yes.
KEIKO: I've already said, she is the Mori Clan Head's consort and once spent time with my sister (and not me).
Serious: What exactly are we looking for here?
Noumero
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More information on the man himself would be useful, but mostly, an elaboration on this:
It could offer some insight into Ami's goals, and it's less likely to go poorly than directly asking Keiko about her sister's allegiances.
- Location
- Academy City
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- They
[x] Action Plan: Hazou's Busy Day To The Power Of Minus One
[X] Action Plan: Hazou's Busy Day Plus One
[X] Action Plan: Hazou's Busy Day Plus One
Noumero
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Did we already do this part, by the way?:
Or does Jiraiya think it's not necessary? @eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail?
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- USA
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- He/Him
Not yet. The previous update covers about 6 hours, most of which was spent either traveling to and inviting the relevant people or getting "drunk" at the club.
Noumero
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Added following up on Ikeda's deception:
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
[x] Action Plan: Hazou's Busy Day To The Power Of Minus One
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- Snakesden
Oops, thanks! I remembered that conversation but thought it was maybe about his impulse seals.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
Aye. Those were my thoughts.
Doesn't this seem a bit forced though?
If you accidentally spilled bloodline secrets, whats the mindset you will be in following that? And your brother/ally?
I think it should be more along the lines of "Team ocassionally complains about Hazou wasting time with girls." or something.
We aren't trying to lead everyone and their mother to this girls doorstep, right?
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- The state of Paranoia
This would be a very useful, and presumably very tricky seal to make. A failure mode for this seal is that you overfill the artery, and your artery explodes. Not fun. In order to mitigate that, I would suggest making it repeatedly release extremely small amounts of blood, rather than trying to shove it all in there at once. Even better, a slow trickle, but I imagine that's even harder to do.
Most importantly, we need a way to test it which doesn't involve a human test subject. It may not matter that your veins are exploding when you're dying anyway, but test subjects who aren't dying would probably frown upon that. I would suggest using an animal model (whatever has a similar blood pressure to a human. I assume that varies based on size or something?). Maybe a large pig or something.
As for your previous idea of sealing away water once it reaches the stomach, one obvious failure mode is if it seals too much water, causing the subject to desiccate, or concentrating the stomach acid too much and it burning its way through the stomach lining. Again, definitely use an animal model for testing. Furthermore, the seal should gauge the level of water in the stomach, and only store more if it gets too high. It needs to only be able to store water, and to not be able to store water that still has chakra in it (so that Cthulhu doesn't come out of Hazou's small intestine).
I would also suggest that it jettison its contents into the Out when it is destroyed. Otherwise when it gets destroyed it may jettison its contents into the stomach, causing the subject to explode.
Overall, I would consider these seals to be very useful, but also very difficult to research.
Noumero
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Yes. Only the ones who are already looking into Hazou should learn about Ikeda. However, they should in fact learn about this, otherwise we've only deceived Sand. I'm not confident that what we've done is enough: if Ikeda is anywhere near competent, she'll speak of what happened to no one sans her jounin-sensei.
You're right, it's a thin line: being too explicit about it would compromise the deception entirely. Suggestions on how to balance this?
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- Europe
We need to stop searching for the "Akatsuki book" and start searching for a book thats about idealistic ninja, perhaps even a story about ninja from rain. Maybe it's banned in Leaf or maybe it's banned in Mist because Yagura is gonna do a Yagura.
Kagome is also talking about the original Akatsuki version (not that Hazou has any idea about that) not the current version.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
"Go back to the bar the next day, vehemently insist to the staff you lost your 'Good calligraphy brush' there the night before."
In public: Have Nobs and Keiko act grumpy and Hazou act sheepsih and sufficiently chastized. Shouldn't be hard.
Have him throw some sake in his eyes the morning of this plan so he gets that nice "red eye, still smell like last night" thing going on.
Really we just want to draw attemtion that something happened at the bar, and interested and (competent parties will do the rest of the math on that one, I think?
Noumero
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Good point. However, in this particular case, I think both Jiraiya and the Oyabun would know what we're talking about?
Well, I hope so. There's a tragedy of overestimating your opponents, and we shouldn't forget Maxim 47 either:
Seventy Standards of a Superlatively Superior Shinobi said:
Regarding Keiko/Noburi's demeanour, makes sense, I'll add it. Regarding red eyes, I think that would be overdoing it: Hazou isn't known for being a drunkard (indeed, did we ever have him get drunk before the Exams' finale?), and drawing attention to last night's irregular behaviour would be a mistake. Regarding the calligraphy brush... what's that supposed to signify? That Hazou was so drunk he was totally confused? Again, I fear it draws attention to the wrong thing, in a wrong tone. Hazou would be apologetic, not indignant at poor civilians.
TaliesinSkye
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Yeah, you'd definitely want the blood seals to slowly release their contents until pressure was up to a safe level or they were empty.
I was figuring the storage seals would suck up stomach acid for the duration rather than worrying about overconcentrating it. Easier to do it that way. You'd just have to avoid eating while the seal was active.
Edit: Do you think it'd be interesting to mention the blood seal idea to Tsunade?
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Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
I mean you could say "apologetically insist"
The kid was supposed to bedecently out of it so its not impossible he would have lost something.
Although... There was an enemy Jonin watching us like a hawk, so the level of bullshitting we'd be able to do as far as stuff like that is very minimal.
- Location
- Europe
I am ok with asking Jiraiya, but bothering the Oyabun seems a bit much.