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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Kairos123 said:
We have centuries to play with before it even matters, why toss it out so prematurely?

I would prefer there be adherence to canon unless we make a big enough change to ripple it away. I've been looking forward to how we handle daemon invasions since the quest started.
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Largely because adherence to canon in fanfiction leads to nonsensical story plots, but more specifically for this quest as it stands canon is pretty much out of scope because we are so far back that there's enormous gulfs of time before Anything From Canon happens (barring the first incursion most likely) that questions about time skips come up and are valid.

The point of my first response is basically that we shouldn't ignore the story space sitting in front of us just so we can timeskip to canon events which have some modicum of relevance unless there isn't anything to do in the current time.

Abhishek M said:
Depends on if we manage to make enough changes to cause such a change doesnt it? No point if it's just handed to us.
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I look at it like this when it comes to writing, with a specific rule that divergences from canon should since thay are fully in the remit of the author serve the story and make it better.

Anyway, in general @thefoolswriter timeskipping to some Event in Canon is largely a waste of story potential right under our nose.
 
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BungieONI said:
Largely because adherence to canon in fanfiction leads to nonsensical story plots, but more specifically for this quest as it stands canon is pretty much out of scope because we are so far back that there's enormous gulfs of time before Anything From Canon happens (barring the first incursion most likely) that questions about time skips come up and are valid.

The point of my first response is basically that we shouldn't ignore the story space sitting in front of us just so we can timeskip to canon events which have some modicum of relevance unless there isn't anything to do in the current time.
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Probably no time skips. Omakes that explore a future where Snorri has lived to the contemporary Karaz Ankor of WHFB? /shrug.

As for derailing canon, there are a few tiers of stuff I have in my head. (note this list isn't exhaustive but these examples work as rough guidelines)
No Change: The Vortex, Aenerion dying, Chaos Incursions, Slann rearranging the world's mountains, the Ogre Migration, the Ancestor's departing, the rise of the Skaven. Things you have no way of influencing and that if I changed would make way too much work for me to worldbuild.
Potentially Maybe Very Rare/Hard Change: The Time of Woes, War of Vengeance. Both are examples of things that really require a bunch of stuff to change but arguably possible. don't hold your breath though.
Changing: The Karaz Ankor, not enough as to be unrecognizable, but I am rolling RERs for the Empire that may push some things along or slow other things down.
Control Over: The North, you literally live here and are changing stuff right now.
 
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we need to start amassing more high level dawi experts of all fields and get more senior runelords over here before the time of woe happens
 
soulcake said:
Probably no time skips. Omakes that explore a future where Snorri has lived to the contemporary Karaz Ankor of WHFB? /shrug.

As for derailing canon, there are a few tiers of stuff I have in my head. (note this list isn't exhaustive but these examples work as rough guidelines)
No Change: The vortex, Aenerion dying, Chaos Incursions, Slann rearranging the world's mountains, the Ogre Migration, the Ancestor's departing, the rise of the Skaven. Things you have no way of influencing and that if I changed would make way too much work for me to worldbuild.
Potentially Maybe Very Rare/Hard Change: The Time of Woes, War of Vengeance. Both are examples of things that really require a bunch of stuff to change but arguably possible. don't hold your breath though.
Changing: The Karaz Ankor, not enough as to be unrecognizable, but I am rolling RERs for the Empire that may push some things along or slow other things down.
Control Over: The North, you literally live here and are changing stuff right now.
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Makes sense to me, particularly worldbuilding woes.
 
would it be possible for us to help with the making of the Great Vortex as it only was a partially successful or make our own thing that will drain off the Chaos energy?
 
So is it possible to prevent the creation of chaos dwarves? With our work there will be a secure hold relatively nearby for those who went farther north to evacuate to and they shouldn't need to turn the dark powers like hashut to survive right?
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
Pardon?
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its a reference to Doom, where the doomslayer is an unkillable murder machine whose only goal in life is to slay demons and is so terrifying that the entire plane of hell fears him enough to have set a trap to entomb him since they found no way of actually killing him.

Technically Grimnir and Gotrek would fit the level of killiness, both also have that whole fated to fight demons forever bit.

But uh, not as much armour or guns as the Doomslayer.

Anywho this is getting a bit off-topic, turn is...idk close? Just dealing with some more errands. The worst part about being the healthiest member of the house is being sent out into the uncaring wilderness for supplies.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
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It's about my previous post in this thread on what a dwarf doom slayer would look like after reading the bit about the rune priest dressed all in his gear ready to rip and tear for the grudges committed against bearded folk.

I was thinking of all the crazy things Warhammer fantasy quests can get up to like the Bretonnian knight shapeshifting into a bone giant and taking a trip into Slanneesh's realm of happy land.

So whatever crazy deeds that happen before the vortex when it's the dwarves golden age anything could happen.

Edit: Adding to what the GM said. Up to where the quest goes.

I mean this is during the dwarves golden age so if the quest does something crazy again then it'll work when the dwarves were still at their apex.
 
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soulcake said:
its a reference to Doom, where the doomslayer is an unkillable murder machine whose only goal in life is to slay demons and is so terrifying that the entire plane of hell fears him enough to have set a trap to entomb him since they found no way of actually killing him.

Technically Grimnir and Gotrek would fit the level of killiness, both also have that whole fated to fight demons forever bit.

But uh, not as much armour or guns as the Doomslayer.

Anywho this is getting a bit off-topic, turn is...idk close? Just dealing with some more errands. The worst part about being the healthiest member of the house is being sent out into the uncaring wilderness for supplies.
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I hope you stay okay.
 
soulcake said:
its a reference to Doom, where the doomslayer is an unkillable murder machine whose only goal in life is to slay demons and is so terrifying that the entire plane of hell fears him enough to have set a trap to entomb him since they found no way of actually killing him.

Technically Grimnir and Gotrek would fit the level of killiness, both also have that whole fated to fight demons forever bit.

But uh, not as much armour or guns as the Doomslayer.

Anywho this is getting a bit off-topic, turn is...idk close? Just dealing with some more errands. The worst part about being the healthiest member of the house is being sent out into the uncaring wilderness for supplies.
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Looking forward to it.

Take care of yourself mate. And don't feed the wildlife.
 
So for Grimnir he hasn't went off to the Chaos wastes yet?

I read he took a rest with the Norscan dwarves so when that time comes there will be opportunities to interact with him.
 
soulcake said:
its a reference to Doom, where the doomslayer is an unkillable murder machine whose only goal in life is to slay demons and is so terrifying that the entire plane of hell fears him enough to have set a trap to entomb him since they found no way of actually killing him.

Technically Grimnir and Gotrek would fit the level of killiness, both also have that whole fated to fight demons forever bit.

But uh, not as much armour or guns as the Doomslayer.

Anywho this is getting a bit off-topic, turn is...idk close? Just dealing with some more errands. The worst part about being the healthiest member of the house is being sent out into the uncaring wilderness for supplies.
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So all I hear is that we need to make some adamant full plate armor and a gromil chain saw powered with the troll heart and with sharp rune, tough rune, and gromil rune and paint it all green and get it delivered some how some way to our future Doom Slayer
 
tri2 said:
So all I hear is that we need to make some adamant full plate armor and a gromil chain saw powered with the troll heart and with sharp rune, tough rune, and gromil rune and paint it all green and get it delivered some how some way to our future Doom Slayer
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If you mean Grimnir you read my mind.

He should be in Norsca for a farewell banquet before making his trip to the Chaos wastes when it's time.
 
So there have been several very good suggestions for Creations with the Greedy Heart and I've had another occur to me after our last instance of discussing the Anvils of Doom.

The Anvils are both tools and siege weapons with their biggest emphasis in the Age of Reckoning being siege weapons. I thought about that and came up with an idea for a supernally powerful tool of creation, an enormous nexus of rune energy and leashed magic in the form of a smith's hammer made from the purest Gromril and Adamant and imbued with the raw magic and vital power of the Greedy Heart and whatever other high end ingredients we can get. Largely because vitality and creative force are closely tied ideas and troll regeneration is so insane it just creates flesh out of magical energy.

A secondary idea also related to the Anvils is that after we make this thing, I'd want to find a way for other runesmiths to create lesser versions (lesser because they wouldn't have the Heart) of this hammer.
 
BungieONI said:
So there have been several very good suggestions for Creations with the Greedy Heart and I've had another occur to me after our last instance of discussing the Anvils of Doom.

The Anvils are both tools and siege weapons with their biggest emphasis in the Age of Reckoning being siege weapons. I thought about that and came up with an idea for a supernally powerful tool of creation, an enormous nexus of rune energy and leashed magic in the form of a smith's hammer made from the purest Gromril and Adamant and imbued with the raw magic and vital power of the Greedy Heart and whatever other high end ingredients we can get. Largely because vitality and creative force are closely tied ideas and troll regeneration is so insane it just creates flesh out of magical energy.

A secondary idea also related to the Anvils is that after we make this thing, I'd want to find a way for other runesmiths to create lesser versions (lesser because they wouldn't have the Heart) of this hammer.
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Is this hypothetical Hammer meant to be used with a "regular" (undoubtedly at least boasting runes to keep it intact) anvil, but serving the purpose of the future OTL Anvil of Doom?
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
Is this hypothetical Hammer meant to be used with a "regular" (undoubtedly at least boasting runes to keep it intact) anvil, but serving the purpose of the future OTL Anvil of Doom?
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Abhishek M said:
Sounds like it would pulp any anvil you use it on to me. You'd end up needing something like a Adamantium Anvil or something.
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Its meant to be used with a be-runed but still regular non-Anvil of Doom anvil yeah, normal steel would probably pop like balloon and when I was thinking it up I couldn't rely on the Anvils of Doom being invented when we create it. I excpect there'd be possible synergy and I'd desire that but, work with what we got and all that.

Its also not intended to have the same sort of siege weapon possibilities as the Anvils, with as much of its energy as possible being devoted to enhancing the act of creation.
 
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