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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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soulcake said:
When the bad coding is capable of creating something capable of sophisticated locomotion, understands a fairly large amount of commands and knows terms that may not even have existed when it was made. Youd love to see good coding.

Like if in the event a golem was activated after the time of woe. Runesmiths wouldnt have to worry about if it understood what cannons or thunderers were or who the king of the throng is. The golem just Knows what they mean.* And thats incredible if you think about it.

*To a fair extent. I mean it wont know who snorri goldeneye is on the right flank or which shield in the pile is his but still darn impressive.
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Would taking the waking rune research action likely give us ways to improve that aspect of the Golem?
 
If we could get a decent memory storage on the golem it could fulfill multiple objectives at once. It could be used as our rune book, historical record, brewing recipe, etc storage unit. So that the Dwarves after the time of woes don't lose anywhere near as much of their culture

Also you could probably get learning somewhat quickly from a memory system, sort of like how we teach AI today, give a task to complete, make the golem complete it multiple different ways, compare through its memory which is the most successful, then order it to do it again by doing variations of the most successful techniques, repeat for a while and eventually it knows (kinda) how to respond to various attacks on its own, not perfect, but alright

We all have so many different ideas that I hope the secrets of movement tree could let us split the Golem into even more sections each with their own runes. We can already split the Golem into body, armor pieces and weapons, but I wonder if the movement tree allows the body to be broken down further into things like a Golem Core, for the Rune of Awakening and 2 other runes, and the body for the Rune of animation and 2 other runes. Either that or a more modest connecting 2 runes of awakening and animation with the core having one rune to combo off of it which can't effect the body, and the same being true of the body but it can't effect the core. That or the final option of the Rune of Animation effecting the body and core, with the Rune of Awakening on the core +1 other (not affecting the body) and 2 more runes on the body (not affecting the core). Just spit balling possible futures in the movement tree which would be real nice

I do wonder if the connection of 2 combos with 1 rune can happen, I thought of it first when soulcake said that runes effect what they want to effect, so I wonder if 1 rune effects the entire structure while 2 other sets of 2 runes effect only part of the structure, would the 2 sets of 2 runes each become seperate sets of combo runes united by the 1 connecter rune? Not too useful, normally, it would only really come into play with complex structures, but maybe a possible way of getting more runes on things? Probably after ridiculous amounts of experimentation so the runes don't interfere with one another.

Basically, wondering if we can change or study what each rune "wants" to effect and use that to slightly and occasionally violate the rules. Probably entry level stuff for the Brotherhood of Dron, but definitely useful if it would work
 
Weirdo said:
We all have so many different ideas that I hope the secrets of movement tree could let us split the Golem into even more sections each with their own runes. We can already split the Golem into body, armor pieces and weapons, but I wonder if the movement tree allows the body to be broken down further into things like a Golem Core, for the Rune of Awakening and 2 other runes, and the body for the Rune of animation and 2 other runes. Either that or a more modest connecting 2 runes of awakening and animation with the core having one rune to combo off of it which can't effect the body, and the same being true of the body but it can't effect the core. That or the final option of the Rune of Animation effecting the body and core, with the Rune of Awakening on the core +1 other (not affecting the body) and 2 more runes on the body (not affecting the core). Just spit balling possible futures in the movement tree which would be real nice
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Well there isn't technically a distinction between awakening and animation. They're the same rune fundamentally,, though you might be meaning finding a way to create a split.
 
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Honestly while the Titan may not be that smart or skilled it is outright been noted to be extremely deadly with the right materials and runes and can be given more equipment on top of that. They are also meant to take out large groups of enemies and draw aggro from the rest of the enemy. It seems like we maybe able to create the Warhammer Fantasy equivalent of W40K Titan minus the need for a pilot. As in a giant creation created in the form of their creators, gigantic, extremely hard to kill, enough fire power to desolate large chunks of whole armies and likely to draw a significant percent of attacks against forces on our side since it's too deadly too ignore and yet is durable enough to survive even the worst of it.

Sure it may not work as a standalone unit but like Titans they are meant to be used in support of armies which still makes it amazing as a creation.
 
BungieONI said:
Well there isn't technically a distinction between awakening and animation. They're the same rune fundamentally,, though you might be meaning finding a way to create a split.
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Nah, I just wasn't looking at the Rune list and thought that people were referring to them as different runes. Still, that's even better for a "uniting rune" thing if it works, since the Rune of animation does double duty as the Brains and movement of the Golem it has good reason to connect to both, now we need are runes which only connect to one part
 
Anyways, I'd be fine with the super Gronti Duraz if we actually worked hard to get it is all. Ideally, I want to be able to deploy it before the Great Cataclysm ends.

Also, I wonder if you could finagle a Three Runes of Fire situation without a third Rune of Fire. I mean, A single Rune of Burning on the golem itself, and a weapon with two Runes of Fire (and something else, maybe the Master Rune of Smting) getting the equivalent of three Runes of Fire (Flaming Attacks, D3 Wounds, and an S4 Breath weapon in TT), because that's not only major burniness, it's probably a lot more effective to have a flame breath when the breather is a lot bigger than a Dwarf. Like a Dwarf could spin and cover a room with fire, a Gronti Duraz could do the same and engulf a parking lot in flame.

Unless we can finagle lasers, or a bigass weapon with a Master Rune of Flight, it'd be the only way to get a golem a ranged weapon.
 
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EVA-Saiyajin said:
Anyways, I'd be fine with the super Gronti Duraz if we actually worked hard to get it is all. Ideally, I want to be able to deploy it before the Great Cataclysm ends.
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Depends if it ends before turn 30 in my mind, because I think that's the earliest we'll have those steps to get through the set up I outlined to Thor's Twin a couple days ago done and actually start being able to build its body and equipment. I don't think it will because it hasn't even started yet really, and it takes a good bit to actually pass. But that is just an estimate and with RER involved there's a lot of uncertainty.

As a olive branch/sort of good thing from your perspective perhaps, the aftermath of the Cataclysm is going to be nasty as hell and require a lot of gribblie stomping and repair and recovery. And a super-hard mobile guardian is extremely useful for area denial from gribblies.

E: Not sure about your rune idea.
 
BungieONI said:
E: Not sure about your rune idea.
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Me neither. It's based entirely on TT...and we, kind of have no experience with multiples of runes so far I think.

But fire-breathing bigass golem, that's...cool.



BungieONI said:
As a olive branch/sort of good thing from your perspective perhaps, the aftermath of the Cataclysm is going to be nasty as hell and require a lot of gribblie stomping and repair and recovery. And a super-hard mobile guardian is extremely useful for area denial from gribblies.
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First few chapters of The Great Betrayal is pretty fucking awesome.
 
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EVA-Saiyajin said:
Unless we can finagle lasers, or a bigass weapon with a Master Rune of Flight, it'd be the only way to get a golem a ranged weapon.
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...huh... you know I actually can't see any reason why we couldn't. Stick a Master Rune of Flight, Rune of Impact, Rune of Fire or two runes of fire on a giant mace and voila. Pseudo-meteor.

EVA-Saiyajin said:
Me neither. It's based entirely on TT...and we, kind of have no experience with multiples of runes so far I think.

But fire-breathing bigass golem, that's...cool.
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It really really is. Or bigass laser fired as a mouth beam, which might be more plausible since we have a research path that might lead to that and it is the sort of thing that might be achievable as a piece of equipment, instead of the golem's body itself.
 
How about the immunity/resistance of the Golem from the Corruption of Chaos or from the Greedy One's heart(it might lead to its revival after all Warp is bullshit)?
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
First few chapters of The Great Betrayal is pretty fucking awesome.
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Haven't read any of the Warhammer Fantasy novels except for Genevieve (I think that was the one?) so I'm not sure what you're referencing :p

TehChron said:
Spelleater>Conversion>Reflection?

:thinking
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Light + Amplification + Reflection and a lot of super shiny Pure Gromril mirrors.


Clemenal said:
How about the immunity/resistance of the Golem from the Corruption of Chaos or from the Greedy One's heart(it might lead to its revival after all Warp is bullshit)?
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If it has Adamant and stone which is pretty magic inert in its construction it will be pretty immune to Chaos buggery natively.
 
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BungieONI said:
Haven't read any of the Warhammer Fantasy novels except for Genevieve (I think that was the one?) so I'm not sure what you're referencing :p
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Well, it's basically the last battle of the united elves and dwarves against the remaining daemonic forces in the Old World after the Vortex went up. Snorri Whitebeard and Malekith the Great lead a combined force against them, showing off the full wonders of their respective races and generally being awesome battle bros.

Malekith is on his dragon and Snorri can basically lightning teleport to the Throne of Power.
 
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EVA-Saiyajin said:
Well, it's basically the last battle of the united elves and dwarves against the remaining daemonic forces in the Old World after the Vortex went up. Snorri Whitebeard and Malekith the Great lead a combined force against them, showing off the full wonders of their respective races and generally being awesome battle bros.
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Ohhhhhhhhhh. Oh.

I get it now. Yeah that's actually sort of what I was thinking about when I raised the idea.
 
masterofmadness said:
All the more reason to grab him as soon as possible!

Mostly inertia and conservatism.

They live in mountain where cavalry is generally unneeded, only goats are useful for domestication and those are bad for riding. Creating cavalry are a major change they are not forced to do so they don't. Then when they see other enemy races doing it like human (Pre-empire or Norscan), or Orcs an eventually elves they think 'look at those crazy people riding animals' and now it is a mark of pride so they never change.

Griffon cavalry might be a good way to break that since it does fulfill a niche of getting the Dwarves into the air well before gyro-copters can be invented. I could easily imagine a dwarf army book mentioning the rare relic chariots of the golden age that use now lost ruin to fly with Griffons to pull them, risked only to carry messages in great times of need or in the most critical battles.
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Or the engineers decide to make mechanical cavalry and so dwarven steam tanks Get introduced.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
It's a good thing Runelords have their pride, otherwise that'd be a risky, gamey as fuck thing.
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Sort of. I know from... somewhere, can't remember specifically... that going by normal troll regeneration you can actually get headless torsos regenerating bits of troll for a long while even if the thing is technically "dead". Its used for food stores and such.
 
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Maybe we study the adamant as an action (if needed) before we forge something with it. And then we forge a crown for the king. Because I really did like that idea. Something thematically appropriate for us.

Sure, maybe some greater Runesmiths have found out about Adamant and True Gromril, but we found out about it up North, due to things that happened in the north. So with our first bit of Adamant we forged the crown of the First King.

Even though he already had a crown gifted to him from the other elders. God it'll probably be a weird sell to the elders and the king. "Made this fancy purer version of Gromril, I call it Adamant, and I wanna make a crown out of it. Not sure if it can accept runes or anythin yet, so give me a century and then we'll see."
 
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