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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Just alter the Golem into a Warhammer 40k style Dreadnought and shove Snorri in when he falls in battle.

You want a repository of runelore? You can't do better than a living remnant from the Time of the Ancestor Gods.

You want a powerful golem fighter? Imagine what thousands of years of experience will do for Snorri's ability to kick ass.

You want power armour? This is power armour that doesn't even need the person to be intact for it to work.

Stick Rune of Brotherhood on us to help us pilot the thing and another to remove the need for food/water/whatever and we're good to go. We'd be a testament to the heights of Dwarven crafting prowess that would last till the end of days.

Please, make the Ancestor-Golem YMIR a reality.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
Mmm, I dunno man. I personally think something like the Greedy One, at least after he entered his second to final form (which he didn't actually achieve), was on that level. I suppose we'll have to table that until we see soulcake's interpretation of them.
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Ehhhh, my take on it was that he wasn't really a greater daemon because he hadn't escaped the limits of his mortal form. Specifically based off this bit Snorri says:

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"Damn thing was transforming to the end, even when it was turning into a bloated mess of untamed magic and flesh. My gut tells me I was a hair's breadth away from facing an actual daemon before it botched it up at the last second. Maybe I was wrong, maybe I wasn't, and maybe I was neither. Beardling, when you hacked this beastie up, what was the blood like?"
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soulcake said:
The Master Rune of Waking futzes about enough that Golems are usually capable in most situations. It won't be the greatest duelist on account of its size, heft and bulk, but it won't bumble about if that makes sense? Golems shine as hardpoints in shocktroop formations and basically forcing big things to hit them because they otherwise run roughshod over the little guys.

So uh, don't freak out if a golem has to stall a greater daemon of Khorne or whatever, but dont expect it to win all that often?*

Like...it isn't incompetent but dont expect an uber duelist with just the Master Rune of Waking.
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Thank you for clarifying!


Abhishek M said:
And a hypothetical Adamant Golem with the Trpll Heart and a Master Rune Weapon or two. How would that fare?
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Far better logically, especially if it has a weapon on it that has Rune of Parrying (Parry super good), Rune of Speed (go super fast)/Master Rune of Currents (Weapon goes fast, be unblockable etc), Rune of Striking (Weapon hits vulnerable points).
 
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soulcake said:
the killing power isnt in question here, its a question of skill. So like, if it hits, it likely hurts a lot, but the question is will it ever hit something built entirely for the purpose of battle?
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Which depends on what equipment we can give it I figure.

Its sort of the only option we have in terms of giving it "skill". Give it good equipment.
 
BungieONI said:
Which depends on what equipment we can give it I figure.

Its sort of the only option we have in terms of giving it "skill". Give it good equipment.
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Rune of Brotherhood up a Real Steel like mirror control for the Golem? Like the Dawi with the control helm or whatever makes the movements mirrored by the Golem. Heh, mech without having to get into it.
 
Abhishek M said:
Rune of Brotherhood up a Real Steel like mirror control for the Golem? Like the Dawi with the control helm or whatever makes the movements mirrored by the Golem. Heh, mech without having to get into it.
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Doesn't even need to go that deep, and that'd get in the way of the controller fighting. Just stick the Rune of Brotherhood, Master Rune of Passage (travel through difficult terrain unhindered), and Rune of Warding or Rune of Stone onto a talisman we attach too it. If its travelling with an army it can temporarily borrow from their fighting skills, or the skills of the people giving it commands which in this case is probably Snorri and he's no push over.
 
BungieONI said:
Ehhhh, my take on it was that he wasn't really a greater daemon because he hadn't escaped the limits of his mortal form. Specifically based off this bit Snorri says:
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Oh I'm well aware he wasn't a Daemon Prince yet. I specifically said he hadn't actually reached that final form, only the form before the final form.

But there are those GMs who would say such power can be held by mortals, and not just the uber special ones like Aenarion or the Ancestor Gods. Malekith has fought and killed beings on that level from both ends of the timeline, so to speak.

Of course you also have some where they're not so much individuals as forces of nature in the context of power-scaling in Warhammer Fantasy. We'll see.
 
BungieONI said:
Which depends on what equipment we can give it I figure.

Its sort of the only option we have in terms of giving it "skill". Give it good equipment.
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It's honestly eaiser to make a golem tanky as heck compared to making it a top-tier combatant. Give the thing an Adamant tower shield (making an entire golem of the stuff would break the bank five different ways) to act as a mobile curtain wall and have a giant mace/maul/warhammer in the other hand. Something that doesn't need a ton of skill to use, hits like an avalanche and it can smash down/sweep through the chaff.
 
the Rune of Brotherhood as you know it doesn't work like that guys.

A golem cant have friends*. I'm only saying this because you guys are brainstorming how you're gonna spend a t5 mat.
 
jwolfe_beta said:
It's honestly eaiser to make a golem tanky as heck compared to making it a top-tier combatant. Give the thing an Adamant tower shield (making an entire golem of the stuff would break the bank five different ways) to act as a mobile curtain wall and have a giant mace/maul/warhammer in the other hand. Something that doesn't need a ton of skill to use, hits like an avalanche and it can smash down/sweep through the chaff.
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Right. Then give it that talisman suggestion I made just up page with a Master Rune of Passage so it can't be mired easily if at all and so it can borrow from the person giving it command's fighting skill and be even more resistant to magic. Tie it off by giving it a T4 Banner cape with Daemonward, or healing and voila. Mobile fortress/bastion that can also smack the shit out of things that come in reach, with a better chance to hit more combat oriented supercreatures.


soulcake said:
the Rune of Brotherhood as you know it doesn't work like that guys.

A golem cant have friends*. I'm only saying this because you guys are brainstorming how you're gonna spend a t5 mat.
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Oh that's too bad. Good reason to poke the movement of things research I guess. I figured it'd be able interface with the commander at least. Oh well. Maybe another thing for the pile, and it doesn't involve the golem itself so *waves hand* something for later.

Just give it Master Rune of Currents, Rune of Parrying, Rune of Striking on its axe/hammer/whatever I guess.
 
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BungieONI said:
Right. Then give it that talisman suggestion I made just up page with a Master Rune of Passage so it can't be mired easily if at all and so it can borrow from the person giving it command's fighting skill and be even more resistant to magic. Tie it off by giving it a T4 Banner cape with Daemonward, or healing and voila. Mobile fortress/bastion that can also smack the shit out of things that come in reach, with a better chance to hit more combat oriented supercreatures.
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Well,
-points up at soulcake's post-
This will all be a few research projects down the line anyway.
 
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BungieONI said:
Oh that's too bad. Good reason to poke the movement of things research I guess. I figured it'd be able interface with the commander at least
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Verbal orders are in the purview of the master runes capability. But not super specific ones. Like attack the left flank or shoot that guy in red or protect the quarrelers, but not iniate plan beta gamma seven seven or whatever.
 
You know sometimes I feel it would just be easier to make a Regenerating Adamant Armor for Grimnir on his way North. Give him some armor that could actually last him for eternity in his fight or something.
 
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soulcake said:
Verbal orders are in the purview of the master runes capability. But not super specific ones. Like attack the left flank or shoot that guy in red or protect the quarrelers, but not iniate plan beta gamma seven seven or whatever.
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Right I figured it could do that just fine from your previous answers, I figured that because the commander is giving commands to the golem which are taken in by the Master Rune that the Rune of Brotherhood could use that connection. *shrug*
 
soulcake said:
Verbal orders are in the purview of the master runes capability. But not super specific ones. Like attack the left flank or shoot that guy in red or protect the quarrelers, but not iniate plan beta gamma seven seven or whatever.
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Runesmith: "Golem."
Golem -rumbles-
Runesmith: "Smash."
Golem -rumbles louder and charges towards enemy-
 
soulcake said:
Verbal orders are in the purview of the master runes capability. But not super specific ones. Like attack the left flank or shoot that guy in red or protect the quarrelers, but not iniate plan beta gamma seven seven or whatever.
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So basically it can execute commands but lacks memory storage? I wonder if their is anyway to fix that?

I really want to see an omake of how this golem is going to stand long after we are gone. Runes need maintenance right? I think I remember how some runes lost power over time and due to the lost knowledge they weren't able to be maintained or repaired. With the power of the Greedy Heart Ymir will be able to stand strong and always do his duty to protect the Dawi.

I remember you said that the Runefangs became stronger over time due to faith from the humans. I could see Ymir become a legend and inspiration to the Dawi, an eternal guardian. What kind of effects does faith give?
 
Abhishek M said:
Bah! Bad coding as well as craftmanship then. Grumble Grumble.
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When the bad coding is capable of creating something capable of sophisticated locomotion, understands a fairly large amount of commands and knows terms that may not even have existed when it was made. Youd love to see good coding.

Like if in the event a golem was activated after the time of woe. Runesmiths wouldnt have to worry about if it understood what cannons or thunderers were or who the king of the throng is. The golem just Knows what they mean.* And thats incredible if you think about it.

*To a fair extent. I mean it wont know who snorri goldeneye is on the right flank or which shield in the pile is his but still darn impressive.
 
Speaking of which, i gotta wonder what the rest of the Ancestors have been up to. We've only really heard about Grimnir though the background events up to now, and aside from the chance Snerra had of Thungni picking her up as an apprentice there hasn't really been any further mention of what our gods have been doing.
 
Xantalos said:
Speaking of which, i gotta wonder what the rest of the Ancestors have been up to. We've only really heard about Grimnir though the background events up to now, and aside from the chance Snerra had of Thungni picking her up as an apprentice there hasn't really been any further mention of what our gods have been doing.
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Who can say, they may all be doing some crazy stuff but youre only hearing about the big stuff. But safe to say, at the very least the same things at OTL.
 
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