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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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Alratan said:
That is also dependent on their own system of runecraft, which from the few descriptions we have is very different to the dwarven version. They use large numbers of runes to produce complex webs through which magic flows to encode spells.
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Would the elven enchantments be even considered as violating a certain rule of Thungni's cult tho?
 
soulcake said:
Grimnir accepting an elven magical item in an exchange of gifts does not translate to Runesmiths being okay with using other folk's magic in the way I assume you're wanting to do.
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I was thinking of investigating them to see what makes them tick, either seeking inspiration to apply to his own runecraft or essentially using them as ingredients for runes. They're physical objects with the Winds of Magic bound to them, just like, say, a Hearthstone or Phoenix Feather is. That they're the product of intelligent design (to the degree dwarves think that elven magic is the product of intelligence...) rather than biological adaption/mutation might not be a fundamental difference (although we wouldn't know until we investigate). What the theological status of manufactured magical objects compared to 'naturally' occuring magical objects is then a third, perhaps more political question.

On that note, I wonder if the Brana make enchanted items (nests?). This may be something that has come up before IC, perhaps because of Snorri himself (or Dolgi) inspiring young Brana to experiment.
 
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Alratan said:
I was thinking of investigating them to see what makes them tick, either seeking inspiration to apply to his own runecraft or essentially using them as ingredients for runes. They're physical objects with the Winds of Magic bound to them, just like, say, a Hearthstone or Phoenix Feather is. That they're the product of intelligent design rather than biological adaption/mutation might not be a fundamental difference (although we wouldn't know until we investigate). What the theological status of manufactured magical objects compared to 'naturally' occuring magical objects is then a third, perhaps more political question.

On that note, I wonder if the Brana make enchanted items. This may be something that has come up before IC.
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Feel free to poke at something so powerful and magical the elves consider them to be made by one of their gods, whether or not it actually is. Given the only lore I can find on it is a page describing possible varieties of hills you can put into your tabletop games, I feel like I have the creative freedom to decide what they are and will be for this quest.

Alratan said:
They're physical objects with the Winds of Magic bound to them, just like, say, a Hearthstone or Pheonix Feather is.
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Ignoring the fact that no one really knows what they are. That's such a wide descriptor it's like me saying Dwarfs and Elves are the same because they both have hair. Technically true, but with little actual use and...missing a lot of nuances.
 
soulcake said:
Feel free to poke at something so powerful and magical the elves consider them to be made by one of their gods, whether or not it actually is. Given the only lore I can find on it is a page describing possible varieties of hills you can put into your tabletop games, I feel like I have the creative freedom to decide what they are and will be for this quest.


Ignoring the fact that no one really knows what they are. That's such a wide descriptor it's like me saying Dwarfs and Elves are the same because they both have hair. Technically true, but with little actual use and...missing a lot of nuances.
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There may be some misunderstanding here. In the section you're quoting it's a reply to what I'm talking about 'regular' magic items that elven mages make? If an elven mage makes a glowing gem by binding Hysh to it, for a very simple example.
 
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Alratan said:
There may be some misunderstanding here. In the section you're quoting it's a reply to what I'm talking about 'regular' magic items that elven mages make? If an elven mage makes a glowing gem by binding Hysh to it, for a very simple example.
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Wouldn't it make more sense to see if you can use a power stone as a runic component, rather than an enchanted object that someone spent considerable time crafting?

@soulcake: would Snorri know about powerstones from his Readings? I think he would, given the Brana's reaction to Dronril.
 
IronFist said:
Wouldn't it make more sense to see if you can use a power stone as a runic component, rather than an enchanted object that someone spent considerable time crafting?

@soulcake: would Snorri know about powerstones from his Readings? I think he would, given the Brana's reaction to Dronril.
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I think it's unclear whether powerstones are easier or harder to make than enchanted items, to be honest.

We also don't know when the elves invented powerstones. They probably have already, but there may well have been less call for them before the Vortex when magic was so readily available everywhere.
 
Alratan said:
There may be some misunderstanding here. In the section you're quoting it's a reply to what I'm talking about 'regular' magic items that elven mages make? If an elven mage makes a glowing gem by binding Hysh to it, for a very simple example.
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My reply was over the Anvils of Vaul which you originally brought up and I assumed that's what Lugia was referring to.

The point stands, in relation to that at least.
IronFist said:
@soulcake: would Snorri know about powerstones from his Readings? I think he would, given the Brana's reaction to Dronril.
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He knows that they're essentially solidified magic used as a means of storing energy, though their existence is more a proof of concept and the ramblings from the Gold magic textbook. From what Snorri has read it seems like nothing more than a means for Elven mages to empower their enchanted items for longer than they otherwise would before requiring refilling.
 
Alratan said:
I think it's unclear whether powerstones are easier or harder to make than enchanted items, to be honest.

We also don't know when the elves invented powerstones. They probably have already, but there may well have been less call for them before the Vortex when magic was so readily available everywhere.
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I think the process to make them is easier than for than Enchanted items, requiring no skill other than compressing sufficiently large amounts of winds into solidity (as opposed to enchanting, which would be like... idk, weaving a tapestry with the winds).

But the use of power stones is less known, and therefore Powerstones are not as common as enchanted items.

Ehh. Ninja'd by soulcake.
 
Czes said:
By creating the MRune of infertility.
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By the time Skaven arrive, we will have made a ranged weapon with the Master Rune of Purification fused with the Master rune of Lightning strikes. The combination applies the purifying effect to whatever the ammunition hits. Using this weapon, we will shoot the warpstone pillar in Skavenblight, causing it to explode like a nuke :V
 
Is there a rune of chain effect somewhere? One strike, and then purification happens to a whole bunch of Skaven.
 
A master rune of chain strike sounds like the kind of thing that would be an army killer if done correctly. If only towards mooks.

Dwarf warrior just chopped a slave rat in the neck with a rune az.

Whole group around the victim develops a terminal case of head-off-neck disease.

suddenly skaven numbers don't seem so bad after all.:V
 
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Another thread got hit hard by the modhammer a few years ago (I think it was Divided Loyalties) when speculating about/advocating for genociding Skaven via Warpstone nuke, so maybe stay away from that.
 
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Seems to come up a lot these days. Here's the guide to acceptable advocacy of genocide in quests on SV-
Chehrazad said:
[information=With all due respect]Normally, challenging a moderator direction in the thread is a breach of the rules, but I feel lenient and we just cut the report queue to a single digit, so I'll humour you.

@McLuvin was infracted for the specific wording and tone of his post, in which he advocates the brutal murder of every woman and child with flame weapons, even if these are fictional characters, they remain fictional human characters; if you were to argue that every Nazi be incinerated in the fire, you would be infracted for that, if you were to argue that every Eldar of Warhammer 40.000 fame were to be incinerated, you would be infracted for that. Admittedly, this is a fine line to walk, but the difference tends to be whether you advocate it or act upon it; let us construct a vote for the imaginary Hypothetical Quest. In Hypothetical Quest, you play Prince Theoretical of Imaginaryland; Prince Theoretical has recently won a war over his sworn enemies, the Speculative Folk. The quest master, ManusDomine (a real asshole that one, I can tell you; why I even infracted him once!) writes up the following voting options:

[ ] Accept Their Surrender
[ ] Kill Them All, Let God Know His Own
[ ] Write-In

Our theoretical player, is named OfDebatableVeracity, now he has several options:

He can choose to write a short or long post, arguing why the Speculative Folk are a disgusting species or a horrible kind of people and why they should be exterminated to the last man, woman and child, he can choose to make a simile with a kind of insect; cockroaches or ants, maybe? These things would get OfDebatableVeracity infracted.

He can also choose to write a post of varying lenth on the merits of exterminating them, he can explain why it makes more sense for Prince Theoretical to do so based on his character arc, he could explain how the mechanics simply make it better to just exterminate them or he could even just vote with no extra commentary! All of these things would not get OfDebatableVeracity infracted.

Now, sometimes leniency can be applied, and if @McLuvin feels that the infraction was perhaps unjust or made without full thought of the situation, he can certainly appeal it, no doubt that he or one of our Advocates could make a trustworthy case for reduction or complete removal of the report.

In the future, please use the private messages system instead, I am quite open to questioning, but I recommend that you do not use the thread for it, arguing with a moderator is never on-topic. :V

Have a good day.[/information]
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We know Gazul was able to shatter Hashut. Hopefully given we have quite a long time we'll be the level to at least do that to the horned rat when the skaven show up. With their god dead they'd never have the unity to be a true threat.
 
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