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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Snorri could also join elven mythology and cause another war of the gods, including kots and mammoth ancestor to the mix. Maybe by giving Vaul new eyes and legs. Either way, conflict could come from lots of different directions.

On a sidenote, there is no dwarven Ancestor who has Grudges as their domain right?
 
absolute_combat said:
In the nebulous future. When snorri knows more about the winds.

Would it be possible to make runes out of the specific winds of magic.

Like a master rune of chamon to transmute rock into iron.

Or the master rune of ghur that lets rangers polymorph into demigryphs or mountain goats.
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I am nearly 100% positive that would never work. Because fundamentally the Runes direct magical power to enact the effects of a word/combination of words. And the Winds of magic are, simply put, too multifaceted to ever be summarised in their full breadth in one or three words.
 
TimEd said:
Snorri could also join elven mythology and cause another war of the gods, including kots and mammoth ancestor to the mix. Maybe by giving Vaul new eyes and legs. Either way, conflict could come from lots of different directions.

On a sidenote, there is no dwarven Ancestor who has Grudges as their domain right?
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The closest would probably be either Gazul or Grimnir.

soulcake said:
While the former can't be confirmed, the Grudge Rune and the Slaying Runes derived from them all share roots in Grimnir and Gazul's Rune equally.
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MrHobbit said:
The closest would probably be either Gazul or Grimnir.
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Mmmm. What I am hearing is that there is a chance for free godly dwarven real estate.

Too bad Smednir probably already has a softlock on Purification. Maybe it can be shared, with Smednir getting physical purification (refinement) and our imagined Ancestor Snorri gets metaphysical purification/refinement or linking it to Alchemy.

On runes, don't dwarves consider the Winds of Magic to be inherently unreliable/unstable? Runes don't get lumped into that because they are able to take any ambient wind (as far as we have been able to glean, this is how it works) and contain and harnes it for dwarven use.
 
TimEd said:
Mmmm. What I am hearing is that there is a chance for free godly dwarven real estate.

Too bad Smednir probably already has a softlock on Purification. Maybe it can be shared, with Smednir getting physical purification (refinement) and our imagined Ancestor Snorri gets metaphysical purification/refinement or linking it to Alchemy.

On runes, don't dwarves consider the Winds of Magic to be inherently unreliable/unstable? Runes don't get lumped into that because they are able to take any ambient wind (as far as we have been able to glean, this is how it works) and contain and harnes it for dwarven use.
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o-o

What. Is this a joke?

Because this has to be a joke. I refuse to believe it isn't. I absolutely refuse to believe that it isn't.
 
MrHobbit said:
o-o

What. Is this a joke?

Because this has to be a joke. I refuse to believe it isn't. I absolutely refuse to believe that it isn't.
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Which part do you speak of? If it's Ancestor God of Alchemy, then it's probably a long term giga brain project some of us questers are faffing about with. If it's about Runes and ambient Winds, it's kinda canon for this quest.
 
MrHobbit said:
I am talking about the Ancestor God of Grudges part.
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Um, you sure you quoted the right post man? There isn't anything in there about Grudges.

Edit: Backtracked the convo further, saw the rest of it. Still seems more focused on the Alchemy thing, but I see what you mean.
 
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Hey, a Grudge is just a gift of death given to those who wronged you and yours. So Snorri Gift Giver already has appropriate reputational theming on that area, albeit currently only focused on the "good gifts" part, with only 1 or 2 holds seeing the other side.
 
TimEd said:
Hey, a Grudge is just a gift of death given to those who wronged you and yours. So Snorri Gift Giver already has appropriate reputational theming on that area, albeit currently only focused on the "good gifts" part, with only 1 or 2 holds seeing the other side.
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I still cannot tell if you are being serious.

I will just say it like this: you are wrong. The chance of becoming an Ancestor God is already miniscule, if nothing else because of how long Dwarf conservatism (and Snorri's personality) would force it to take. Trying to usurp vengeance from Grimnir and Gazul is flat out impossible.
 
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The closest thing we are to being an ancestor of is Gift giving.
The way i see it, the divine endgame we are most likely to reach is becoming a Santa Claus figure for the entire Karaz Ankor, on the scale of Grombrindal.
But instead of a wandering hero that appears when the days are darkest, we just give gifts.
Powerful runic presents that brighten the future of those that receive them.
 
IronFist said:
The closest thing we are to being an ancestor of is Gift giving.
The way i see it, the divine endgame we are most likely to reach is becoming a Santa Claus figure for the entire Karaz Ankor, on the scale of Grombrindal.
But instead of a wandering hero that appears when the days are darkest, we just give gifts.
Powerful runic presents that brighten the future of those that receive them.
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If anything even approaching divinity is even possible to begin with, this is likely the extent of it; not a proper proper Ancestor God, but more of a demigod type figure at best, and maybe considered by majority of dwarves the closest a mortal dwarf can or has become to the likes of Thugni and such, with possibly a dedicated festive day in our name on some (likely northern) holds.

But we totally could also become the patron ancestor of Radicalism.
 
If it is possible to become an Ancestor God, then that could debunk the theory, that they were created by the old ones and instead used to be normal dwarfs that ascended to their positions. Personally, I find it very unlikely and I don't think it possible to become an Ancestor God of anything without doing something that is monumental on a scale concerning the entire Karaz Ankor.

That might sound nice and heroic, but a heroic deed capable of ascending someone to godhood needs and equally hard threat/problem to overcome.

Him becoming a local or regional hero for the entire North, and Kraka Drakk in particular, is much more likely and has a more personal touch.
 
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Where has all this "if it is possible to become an Ancestor God" stuff come from? Based on Soulcake's post on the subject it's entirely possible to become an Ancestor God it's just a matter of meeting the correct conditions.

It's extremely difficult and unlikely for us to ever acquire the final rank of course but we're actively chipping away at the barrier to the bottom of the minor Ancestor God rank right now and that rank is just a matter of time for us to acquire we just have to survive long enough to get there.

It's not even a matter of if we wish to attain it or not Snorri isn't even trying to he's just doing as Snorri does and accidentally becoming a minor Ancestor God along the way.
 
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absolute_combat said:
In the nebulous future. When snorri knows more about the winds.

Would it be possible to make runes out of the specific winds of magic.

Like a master rune of chamon to transmute rock into iron.

Or the master rune of ghur that lets rangers polymorph into demigryphs or mountain goats.
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Doubt it.
Runes do specific things the same way every time and thats how dwarves like them. Why would they want a rune to emulate something as unreliable as a wind when they could just get a rune to transmute or polymorph.
TimEd said:
Snorri could also join elven mythology and cause another war of the gods, including kots and mammoth ancestor to the mix. Maybe by giving Vaul new eyes and legs. Either way, conflict could come from lots of different directions.
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No?
How would you even enter the elven pantheon?
TimEd said:
Mmmm. What I am hearing is that there is a chance for free godly dwarven real estate.

Too bad Smednir probably already has a softlock on Purification. Maybe it can be shared, with Smednir getting physical purification (refinement) and our imagined Ancestor Snorri gets metaphysical purification/refinement or linking it to Alchemy.

On runes, don't dwarves consider the Winds of Magic to be inherently unreliable/unstable? Runes don't get lumped into that because they are able to take any ambient wind (as far as we have been able to glean, this is how it works) and contain and harnes it for dwarven use.
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Holy shit this is exactly what came up when people were thinking we could be an ancestor god of apprenticeship.
Its not enough to be good at a thing to become an ancestor god, you have to revolutionise it. Theres no room for new Ancestor gods in the most common dwarven traditions because those processes are already extremely optimised and set in stone.
Czes said:
If it is possible to become an Ancestor God, then that could debunk the theory, that they were created by the old ones and instead used to be normal dwarfs that ascended to their positions. Personally, I find it very unlikely and I don't think it possible to become an Ancestor God of anything without doing something that is monumental on a scale concerning the entire Karaz Ankor.

That might sound nice and heroic, but a heroic deed capable of ascending someone to godhood needs and equally hard threat/problem to overcome.

Him becoming a local or regional hero for the entire North, and Kraka Drakk in particular, is much more likely and has a more personal touch.
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Just a reminder, dwarves already have hundred of ancestor gods.
In theory every ancestor is an ancestor god, just not even dwarves have time to honour every single one of their ancestors. Hence why there are different tiers of importance, the Ancestor gods get the capital A because they're the only dwarves every dwarf worships to some extent.
Not only is Snorri already probably at the point where he's going to be remembered as a hold wide ancestor god of Kraka Drakk and Clan Winterhold (Gromril mail might tip him into a region wide ancestor god) we already know that non Old One made Ancestor Gods exist, because Mogrim, Smednir and Thungni are children of the big three.
Thus even if Snorri entered the main pantheon it still wouldn't prove anything about Grungni, Grimnir, Valaya and Gazul.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Just a reminder, dwarves already have hundred of ancestor gods.
In theory every ancestor is an ancestor god, just not even dwarves have time to honour every single one of their ancestors. Hence why there are different tiers of importance, the Ancestor gods get the capital A because they're the only dwarves every dwarf worships to some extent.
Not only is Snorri already probably at the point where he's going to be remembered as a hold wide ancestor god of Kraka Drakk and Clan Winterhold (Gromril mail might tip him into a region wide ancestor god) we already know that non Old One made Ancestor Gods exist, because Mogrim, Smednir and Thungni are children of the big three.
Thus even if Snorri entered the main pantheon it still wouldn't prove anything about Grungni, Grimnir, Valaya and Gazul.
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Huh. I didn't know that. Thanks for clearing up that misunderstanding. :)
 
What we need to do is create beardling primary school, beardling high school and University. Teach those breadlings how to write and read and other important life skills. To reshape Dwarf society and positively impact it enough that they adopt our education ideas through the creation of an entire Craftguild to form a new bedrock(heh) of traditions and cultural maxims that will steer Dwarf society at large.
 
Shaper47 said:
What we need to do is create beardling primary school, beardling high school and University. Teach those breadlings how to write and read and other important life skills. To reshape Dwarf society and positively impact it enough that they adopt our education ideas through the creation of an entire Craftguild to form a new bedrock(heh) of traditions and cultural maxims that will steer Dwarf society at large.
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Reminder that Snorri himself is very much in favor of the current teaching methods. He thinks the teachers might not be very efficient/doing the best for the Hold in favor of their personal projects, but the overall system he's fine with.

Same with secret runes. You keep them secret because they are for the worthy, because they aren't ready for public display yet, but if the Karaz Ankor needs those runes you bloody give them out.
If it does actually need them of course.
 
Czes said:
Huh. I didn't know that. Thanks for clearing up that misunderstanding. :)
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Glad I could help, I went digging up the WoG post on it but I was too slow, but heres soulcakes official take,
soulcake said:
All dwarf religion is ancestor veneration, every clan has personal ancestors the clan worships. One of the things that separates those ancestors from the Seven Ancestors is that every dwarf pays homage to them and that they're, right now at least, active and alive. As for why not all of Grungni, Grimnir and Valaya's children are not treated with the reverence of Morgrim, Smednir and Thungni, its simply due to their comparative lack of importance to the Dwarfen people. Like a hypothetical Daughter of Grungni, let's call her Galra, would be treated with great respect, but wouldn't be worshipped like her father or brothers if she hadn't done something worthy of it. Now if Galra was super into something like Crystals and basically made Crystals a cornerstone of Dwarf society like Thungni and Morgrim with Runes, Engineering or revolutionized an existing facet of it like Smednir with Metalworking then you'd get dwarfs doing that.

Though that literally takes millennia to get there.

As for why Snorri Whitebeard, Eldest Son of Grungni, and arguably just as legendary and historic as his brothers isn't worshipped that's actually sort of untrue? I mean his descendants and clansmen definitely worship him, but not a lot of dwarfs outside of his clan do.

Of course thats just the real, tangible side of stuff.
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