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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

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Why did Gronti fall out use during canon?
Did runes become less effective with Holds falling, or were they all destroyed and the knowledge lost through battle?
 
Timewarriors said:
They stop being able to wake the gronti up so essentially they just had giant statues
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Any particular reason they wouldn't wake up?
Something to keep an eye on in any case.

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During the War of Vengeance, the "old magic" that had empowered the Rune Golems had begun to sink deeper into the earth, out of the reach of any Runelord.

It seems nebulous.
 
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mickeysofine said:
Why did Gronti fall out use during canon?
Did runes become less effective with Holds falling, or were they all destroyed and the knowledge lost through battle?
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It was most likely due to a few different factors:

1. Losses from the War of Vengeance. Even for Gronti fighting against Elves with dragons is quite rough.

2. Continued draining of magic from the world by the Vortex.

3. Loss of knowledge and Gronti expertise as more and more holds fall to Skaven and Orc/Goblin invasions after the rearranging of the continent and Runelords die off.
 
That Gronti Runelord is trying to get a better understanding of the deep magic Snorri demonstrated with his equipment. She might be able to prevent the Gronti from hibernating for eternity.

The North is also more magically active, as seen in the resources we found. I wouldn't be surprised, if Gronti were still able to work in Norsca, due to the amount of magic that coalescened with the ground.

Should it come to it, we will know, because our special resources might start to dwindle. As far as I know, they are just as dependent on a continued supply of magic. Be it deep magic or external magical winds/phenomenons.
 
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tri2 said:
do we have enough adamant for the adamant bloodthirster valiant grimnir gronti yet?
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We currently have 26 Adamant and heres the price chart.
Dark as Silver said:
Updating the Gronti cost chart for the if we're now discussing small Ymir:


OptionAdamant Cost
Dwarf Sized (No Armour)7 (2+5*1)
4m (No Armour)14 (4+5*2)
12m (No Armour)23 (8+5*3)
Dwarf Sized (Armour)10 (2+3+5*1)
4m (Armour)22 (4+8+5*2)
12m (Armour)35 (8+12+5*3)
Dwarf Sized (Full Adamant No Armour)13 (8+5*1)
4m (Full Adamant No Armour)26 (16+5*2)
12m (Full Adamant No Armour)47 (32+5*3)
Dwarf Sized (Full Adamant Armour)16 (8+3+5*1)
4m (Full Adamant Armour)34 (16+8+5*2)
12m (Full Adamant Armour)59 (32+12+5*3)

For my two cents... A significant reason people are voting for the Gronti is that Snorri has a synergy with the runes on it.
The more we go heavily in on its equipment the more people need to justify why we don't just give that equipment to other dwarves who could use it just as well. And also Snorri already cannot think of something that could destroy the plated one so pure is overkill. I feel that the truest implementation of this plan would be a 12 m Adamant plated Gronti and just make the equipment out of regular old Pure Gomril. Following their logic this gives the highest chances of a Mythical Gronti rather than a Legendary Gronti with a bunch of Legendary/Epic items.

Of course the other significant reason people are voting this was Rule of Cool, and they just need to think the more heavily armed the Gronti is the cooler it is to justify so .🤷‍♂️
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Yes if we don't intend to make armour or equipment out of Adamant and we only want the Adamant Skinned version.
E: We also have enough for Ogre Sized Fully Adamant non armoured and Dwarf Full Adamant Armoured.
I think I had a better table somewhere.
 
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Our adamant income may also increase in the future, if we ever compress the adamant making rune and/or make an adamant adamant smelter. That may change calculations.
 
Alratan said:
Our adamant income may also increase in the future, if we ever compress the adamant making rune and/or make an adamant adamant smelter. That may change calculations.
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Nothing about that changes...
That was raw material costs, not how many turns until we can afford it.
Unless you can convince soulcake to rebalance Gronti costs we can assume that these will remain the same.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Nothing about that changes...
That was raw material costs, not how many turns until we can afford it.
Unless you can convince soulcake to rebalance Gronti costs we can assume that these will remain the same.
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It doesn't change the cost in bars, but it changes the opportunity cost roughly proportionately to the change in income, as the value of a bar changes.
 
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Alratan said:
It doesn't change the cost in bars, but it changes the opportunity cost roughly proportionately to the change in income.
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Nobody asked about though?
The question wasn't 'Is it worth it?' it was 'Can we do it yet?'
I assumed the yet meant that Tri was completely sold already regardless of the cost and was just checking if it we could do it now.
 
tri2 said:
yes, want to know when we have our own indestructible siege engine.
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Depends on exactly where you draw the line on indestructible.

Pure Gromril is: Close enough to be basically indestructible. Some things might be capable of destroying it, but they're extremely few and far between.
Adamant Skinned is: Snorri cannot imagine anything capable of destroying it.
Pure Adamant is: ... Skinned but tougher.

Its why I've been advocating Adamant Skinned. I don't think there any meaningful difference in indestructibility. And since its about 1/3 of the cost, we could make that now.
absolute_combat said:
Speaking of the Gronti. Do they have to be dwarf in shape or can the be free form?
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Probably not free form and that might never be possible, Waking still requires muscles and mechanisms in order to animate. However we're pretty unconstrained apart from that since the Rune trade with Valma. We can definitely do non dwarf forms.
 
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Dark as Silver said:
Pure Gromril is: Close enough to be basically indestructible. Some things might be capable of destroying it, but they're extremely few and far between.
Adamant Skinned is: Snorri cannot imagine anything capable of destroying it.
Pure Adamant is: ... Skinned but tougher.
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so snorri cannot imagine it, best we go one step further then. As new threats can always appear on the horizon
 
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