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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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tri2 said:
Rune of immolation, giant flaming adamant bloodthirster gronti? mass mook killer. Grimnir Gronti! DO A BARREL ROLL!
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Impossible because it's Master Rune of Immolation. Not to mention, it destroys the Gronti in the process.

Mind you, for the same cost as one Enormous gronti, we could (probably) make seven dwarf sized ones. The only one of the Ancestors we haven't actually met is Smednir... so we could make them pretty lifelike.
 
IronFist said:
Impossible because it's Master Rune of Immolation. Not to mention, it destroys the Gronti in the process.

Mind you, for the same cost as one Enormous gronti, we could (probably) make seven dwarf sized ones. The only one of the Ancestors we haven't actually met is Smednir... so we could make them pretty lifelike.
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wait so what was the rune that made the item super hot?
 
IronFist said:
Impossible because it's Master Rune of Immolation. Not to mention, it destroys the Gronti in the process.

Mind you, for the same cost as one Enormous gronti, we could (probably) make seven dwarf sized ones. The only one of the Ancestors we haven't actually met is Smednir... so we could make them pretty lifelike.
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So are Gazul Gronti stealth units? :whistle:
 
Unfortunately, whether the gronti is dwarf sized or bloodthirster sized, it needs the same master rune, which is problematic for mass production. If there was a way to make non MRune Gronti on the other hand, legion upon legion of dwarf sized Gronti would be pretty plausible. Because why not fill out Throngs with robodorfs.
 
Giant rolling pin shaped Gronti for open plains.

Small wheel shaped Gronti for tight spaces.

Flatten the enemy like a Tom and Jerry cartoon.:drevil:
 
tri2 said:
Rune of immolation, giant flaming adamant bloodthirster gronti? mass mook killer. Grimnir Gronti! DO A BARREL ROLL!
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I think that you are thinking of the rune of infernos or the Combo Zharrkazad...

To be fair getting one of those runes/combos on the Gronti's armour it seems like a great idea to clean up mooks, and avoid the gronti to be body piled by them...
 
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Ithillid said:
Unfortunately, whether the gronti is dwarf sized or bloodthirster sized, it needs the same master rune, which is problematic for mass production. If there was a way to make non MRune Gronti on the other hand, legion upon legion of dwarf sized Gronti would be pretty plausible. Because why not fill out Throngs with robodorfs.
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The Rune of Waking/Animation already exists and Snorri knows it. Thungni introduced it along with the Master Rune variant.

The Rule of Pride.
 
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MrHobbit said:
The Rune of Waking/Animation already exists and Snorri knows it. Thungni introduced it along with the Master Rune variant.

The Rule of Pride.
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The non-master rune of waking does not make a gronti, it only mechanizes mechanisms. Can't remember where the QM post is but soulcake did define the ability of the rune of animation as being on the level of automatically pulling in the limbs on a ballista or crossbow, or acting as unmanned gate closing mechanism. It cannot activate a gronti.

As an odd comparison that might help you picture it, the regular rune of animation would be an autoloader on a MBT's main gun. The Master rune of Waking would be an AI capable of operating all aspects of the tank chassis and system, functioning as an artificial crew.
 
Kirron 999 said:
The non-master rune of waking does not make a gronti, it only mechanizes mechanisms. Can't remember where the QM post is but soulcake did define the ability of the rune of animation as being on the level of automatically pulling in the limbs on a ballista or crossbow, or acting as unmanned gate closing mechanism. It cannot activate a gronti.

As an odd comparison that might help you picture it, the regular rune of animation would be an autoloader on a MBT's main gun. The Master rune of Waking would be an AI capable of operating all aspects of the tank chassis and system, functioning as an artificial crew.
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I am aware. That just means that you can't make Gronti without a Master Rune.
 
Ah, misinterpreted your post, thought you were saying that we could use the non-master rune rather than just reminding Ithilid that it exists.
 
I do like the idea of a set of Dwarf sized ancestor gronti as a long term project. It's something that could also easily be the stuff of legends. A worthy project where we can implement any future developments of our gronti and deep magic knowledge.

Go for Super Grimnir when we get the materials and finish movement of things. If it unlocks another research tree then we can use that with the ancestor gronti set. This would also be a nice way to prevent feature creep and further delays of Super Grimnir.
 
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IronFist said:
I suspect in this Quest, the Rune guardians will use the normal Rune of Awakening, rather than the Master Rune version.
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Incorrect. Rune Guardians will use the Master Rune.

soulcake said:
Gronti are the precursors to Rune Guardians, the latter coming into existence as a collab between runesmiths and the engineers guild because no one alive remembered how to make them anymore. What the old dwarfs could do with just a statue the later runesmiths had to achieve with the mechanisms of the engineers guild for their rune to move and animate.

For the purposes of this quest, the Master Rune of Waking the guardians use is a lesser version of the original Master Rune used on the Gronti (this is the version you have)
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tri2 said:
the thing is all rune guardians use a master rune of awakening as the core rune according to the wiki and those are just lesser versions of the actual rune golems. so it looks like the master runes were spammed if only a little bit. Even assuming there is about 100 rune golems and 500 rune guardians that is still about 600 of the same master runes, or am i just mistaken in thinking this is a high number?
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These were made in the tail end of the golden age as everything started falling apart. The kind of cultural impetus to make the dwarfs get rid of that restriction isn't here. If it ever happened. There were way more Runesmiths in that time than there are in canon.
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TotallyNotEvil said:
14) Can we make Rune Guardians to avoid running afoul the Rule of Pride for a construct army/batallion? Assuming they don't require the Master Rune of Awakening.
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14. They do require the Master Rune of waking, so no.
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tri2 said:
Research project to make a non master rune version of MAwakening?
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The Rune of Waking already exists. It is not powerful enough, and it won't be powerful enough, to animate golems. Runesmiths had to use Master Runes to make Rune Guardians work (which were basically mechanized dwarfs).
 
now I just had this funny image of Grimnir one day returning and meeting his dwarf sized adamant self :V
or meeting the bloodthirster sized version of himself :V
 
It's a shame Gronti need to follow living things to be most effective. No easy path to automated artillery, or tanks. Do kinda want to head down the animation runes route and make a shifting/living labyrinth/defences. Would be a nice cap to Defence in Depth, because of course Snorri would be the type to only be satisfied with them when the defence installations themselves quite literally fight back.
 
Cursix said:
It's a shame Gronti need to follow living things to be most effective. No easy path to automated artillery, or tanks. Do kinda want to head down the animation runes route and make a shifting/living labyrinth/defences. Would be a nice cap to Defence in Depth, because of course Snorri would be the type to only be satisfied with them when the defence installations themselves quite literally fight back.
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now I kinda want to focus on forged limbs more and eventually convert a dwarf into a gronti. cyber gronti dwarfs.
 
IronFist said:
I suspect in this Quest, the Rune guardians will use the normal Rune of Awakening, rather than the Master Rune version.
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Been thinking about this, and the lore about the Deep magic becoming harder to access... so I made a theory:

1) The knowledge of how to make the Master Rune of Awakening is lost in the time of Woes/ War of Vengeance
2) Some Runesmith tries to recreate Rune, ends up with a (non Master) Rune of Awakening. But when he tries to awaken the Gronti, he turns to stone because the Rune is not powerful enough.
3) Another runesmith triest to independently recreate the Rune of Awakening, but having heard of the other guy's failure uses it on a mechanical construct (which is easier to Awaken), successfully creating the first Rune Guardian.
4) Runesmiths conclude the Runes are losing power, and conflate the Rune of Awakening with Master Rune of Awakening
 
IronFist said:
Been thinking about this, and the lore about the Deep magic becoming harder to access... so I made a theory:

1) The knowledge of how to make the Master Rune of Awakening is lost in the time of Woes/ War of Vengeance
2) Some Runesmith tries to recreate Rune, ends up with a (non Master) Rune of Awakening. But when he tries to awaken the Gronti, he turns to stone because the Rune is not powerful enough.
3) Another runesmith triest to independently recreate the Rune of Awakening, but having heard of the other guy's failure uses it on a mechanical construct (which is easier to Awaken), successfully creating the first Rune Guardian.
4) Runesmiths conclude the Runes are losing power, and conflate the Rune of Awakening with Master Rune of Awakening
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soulcake has already ruled on it, and I even collated those responses above. The Master Rune of Waking used on Rune Guardians is a Master Rune. It was even pointed out that Rune Guardians cannot have other Master Runes. The Master Rune of Waking used in Rune Guardians is simply a weaker version of the one Snorri uses.

Runesmiths are not so incompetent that they couldn't even tell something was a Master Rune.
 
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In the future when the umgi start appearing and pulling of heroic feats worthy of gifts.

I wonder what can be given. Will it be resized dawi weapons or more unique pieces.
 
LightLan said:
Or it could indirectly damage the gromril inside the adamant skin. Vibrations and heat can be conducted through the Adamant to the gromril inside and only damage it, just like you can harm the person inside the armor even if the armor itself stays fine.
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Don't really get why people keep going on about this angle.
Its a big metal statue. It doesn't have internal organs, how could you cause internal damage to it, while the skin is still intact holding it inplace?
tri2 said:
Rune of immolation, giant flaming adamant bloodthirster gronti? mass mook killer. Grimnir Gronti! DO A BARREL ROLL!
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Nothing can destroy this Gronti. Except the self destruct button I installed on it!
 
Things are being updated on the front page and we seem to have gotten new runes. I can't spot exactly what the new runes are though.
 
Rune of Repair:
Items inscribed with this item can repair minor cosmetic damage done to them overnight. Does not work on flesh. Multiple copies of this Rune inscribed on an item increase speed but not potency.
Rune of Stacking: Containers that bear this Rune can store multiple times their volume. Weight of extra volume half of what it should be.

Forgive me if I'm underwhelmed. It's good for the general Karaz Ankor at least but not a particular grand insight, nor useful for the armor.
 
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