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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Voikirium said:
My idea for Gimli stuff:

Weapon:

-Kazak Lok: A hammer, cast in the shape of a snarling lion, runed with the Master Rune of Smiting, Rune of Fire, and Rune of Cleaving. Cutting, pulverizing, destroying; pulping flesh and bone alike, armor buckling under the the might of the blow and the heat released from every blow, every strike releasing a blow that sounds like the great snarls of a mountain beast.

Talisman:

-Doh Drenge: A necklace of mostly gold, formed in the visage of a snarling longbeard, bearing the Master Rune of Spite, Rune of Warding, and Rune of Luck, forming a ward of pure energy that, if snapped, makes the necklace burn bright blue and strike back with a great force; the Rune of Luck protecting from anything the Rune of Warding and Spite cannot frighten away.
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Mmm, the weapon one misses a good chunk of the point I would go for with a weapon choice which is to make a future set bonus with the Heir's mantle and other potential equipment.

As for the talisman IIRC we have neither the rune of Fate nor the rune of Luck from what Soul has said, I vaguely remember him talking about them together.

soulcake said:
You dont know this Rune.
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Took a moment of searching.
 
BungieONI said:
Mmm, the weapon one misses a good chunk of the point I would go for with a weapon choice which is to make a future set bonus with the Heir's mantle and other potential equipment.
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Yeah, I honestly just asked myself "what would make a good weapon of itself" and I feel like smashing, cleaving, and burning at the same time is a good bet.

Actually, @soulcake that reminds me of a question I've had for a while: if we accidentally used the same 3 runes, would that set off Rule of Pride? Or a combination of runes that somebody has logically probably already made, even if we can't point to a specific example?

Thinking specifically of a few of the earlier items I posted in thread, specifically of Splitter:
Voikirium said:
Splitter (Master Rune of Breaking, Rune of Cleaving, Rune of Might):
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I'd prefer to tackle Gimli's commission.

There's a sense of connection or following up on a thing, and finishing, there. From the words we spoke to him at Karag Dum, to finally giving him a work from us.

Plus, this way, a sense of continuity -- having given artifacts to 3 generations of Kraka Drakk's ruling line.

Plus, we can help make something good and useful for the future King of the Karak. What's not to like?

And, as far as being able to affect the hold or the North goes... well, making something useful to the future ruler, that's a good way to do so. And in this case, we'd also be being commissioned by Ravnsvake to do it, too. So. Possible increase in standing, possible jump in favor. Always good.


Pulling off impressive results for commissions, via Runes, is a good part of what's fun about this game. Research is another part, yeah. But getting to impress people, and test out your craft, via commissions that give you inspiration? That's great fun.

And this Prince's wedding gift commission is definitely a chance to inspire and try out a cool rune combination. A chance to discuss what rune combo to make. And, best of all, it's a discussion that has a concrete cutoff point; we can't keep discussing and rehashing the subject over the next 10 turns, because it'll be done in just 2 turns. :V

Which means we get to have the fun of brainstorming and creating something, and it gets to end in good time. :V
 
Voikirium said:
Thinking specifically of a few of the earlier items I posted in thread, specifically of Splitter:
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Master Rune of Breaking isn't what I'd like. Perhaps Smiting instead? Though arguably getting rid of enemy equipment is a good choice too, even if having a whole Master Rune dedicated to the act is a bit... wasteful for a slot. Perhaps a MRune that has both 'break enemy equipment' and 'does something else, like inflicting multiple wounds / strikes' is better.
Voikirium said:
if we accidentally used the same 3 runes, would that set off Rule of Pride?
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If it's not Master Runes or a Combo, it's cool.

Re: Death / Endings - wasn't it Gazul?
 
kinglugia said:
Master Rune of Breaking isn't what I'd like. Perhaps Smiting instead? Though arguably getting rid of enemy equipment is a good choice too, even if having a whole Master Rune dedicated to the act is a bit... wasteful for a slot. Perhaps a MRune that has both 'break enemy equipment' and 'does something else, like inflicting multiple wounds / strikes' is better.

If it's not Master Runes or a Combo, it's cool.

Re: Death / Endings - wasn't it Gazul?
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Splitter was me spitballing ideas for something Nain could make. The post Oni replied to had my Gimli ideas.
 
Alratan said:
The thing is, do you think the Prince needs magical assistance not to break? What message does it send to give someone a gift that bestows supernatural courage? It rather suggests that you think they need it. It doesn't seem like a very politic gift.

I much prefer the Ancestor Rune of Grimnir + Ancestor Rune of Grungni + Rune of Brotherhood idea in those terms.
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It's more into a figure of inspiration in battle (unbreakable and skill of Grimnir), we know that Prince has shown or at least being told that the blood of Grimnir flows strong in veins during his birth. I'm more into playing into the aspect of Grimnir heritage if you catch my point. Although Grimnir+BHood+Determination/Courage seems like a good combo to make an unbreakable bulwark if needed (assuming BHood also shares Rune of Courage alongside skill).

As for Gimli's commission ideas, I really want to play with fire-ice juxtaposition like what we do to Otrek's current gear.
 
BungieONI said:
Otrek's current gear is all based around fire and meteors. Gloin's gear is currently ice based.
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Ooh. A better idea for Gimli's, then:

Dron Durak- A hammer, shaped like a bolt of lightning, bearing the Master Rune of Thunderbolts, Rune of Smiting, and Rune of Might. Every blow falls like a bolt from heaven, shattering armor like glass, and if struck against metal armor the lightning conducts, cooking the enemy in their own armor as the energy is unleashed on them. More, bolts of pure energy can, themselves, be released, striking with all the dwarf's fury, arcing from struck foe to struck foe.
 
Salty Birb said:
Huh, good to know, considering the spreadsheet puts them on banner runes, so not sure what to make about it

But I guess, Grimnir/Grungni+Determination+Courage or Grimnir+Grungni+Determination/courage then. The message should be simple

"The Ancestor(s) watch(es) me, I shall not break for my people!" or something of some sort
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Grimnir and Valaya's themes overlap in the area of morale boosting.

Just as the idea behind Ancestral Ageis was "two ancestor runes and a Rune of something they have in common", to match that pattern in pursuit of a morale focused combo, I reccomend we'd go with Grimnir, Valaya, and Courage.

Also, I think the flavor text for Courage is a better fit than for Determination.
 
RiyeLink said:
What elements are we missing in this setup that we want to add? Lightning?
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Voikirium said:
Ooh. A better idea for Gimli's, then:

Dron Durak- A hammer, shaped like a bolt of lightning, bearing the Master Rune of Thunderbolts, Rune of Smiting, and Rune of Might. Every blow falls like a bolt from heaven, shattering armor like glass, and if struck against metal armor the lightning conducts, cooking the enemy in their own armor as the energy is unleashed on them. More, bolts of pure energy can, themselves, be released, striking with all the dwarf's fury, arcing from struck foe to struck foe.
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The idea behind my own take is not to add more elements.

The idea is to take another step towards creating a Set Bonus or Set Bonuses in the Kraka Drakk royal panoply, like we've been working towards for Otrek. To do that we need Combos that play well together (as Combos come together to form Sets), and lightning doesn't play well with either of the themes we currently have going with Otrek or Gloin's work.

In order to get a set bonus we need to do one of two things:

We can make a talisman which doesn't interfere with the themes of Trollslayer, the fire cloak Otrek has, and Gloin's own ice cloak. That's a good bit of what the previous few pages have been discussing. We have to do it for the King and Heir panoplies because Gloin is unlikely to stop using a talisman. If we make a talisman that interferes with Trollslayer and the fire cloak, Set Bonuses with the King's equipment become very difficult and I'd rather avoid that.

Or we can make Gloin a weapon that plays well with the current Heir panoply. We already know that when Gloin becomes king he'll take up Trollslayer, as will any heirs after him like Gimli since its the King's weapon and symbolic of the events that created the Kingship in the first place. This is the simpler option, but does mean we need to be aiming for weapons that suit the Hailmantle empowered Drake's Mantle that Gloin uses.
 
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Huh, thought Trollslayer is fire-element, what with causing all those big booms and the like. And his cloak is ice-themed
 
BungieONI said:
The idea behind my own take is not to add more elements.

The idea is to take another step towards creating a Set Bonus or Set Bonuses in the Kraka Drakk royal panoply, like we've been working towards for Otrek. To do that we need Combos that play well together (as Combos come together to form Sets), and lightning doesn't play well with either of the themes we currently have going with Otrek or Gloin's work.

In order to get a set bonus we need to do one of two things:

We can make a talisman which doesn't interfere with the themes of Trollslayer, the fire cloak Otrek has, and Gloin's own ice cloak. That's a good bit of what the previous few pages have been discussing. We have to do it for the King and Heir panoplies because Gloin is unlikely to stop using a talisman. If we make a talisman that interferes with Trollslayer and the fire cloak, Set Bonuses with the King's equipment become very difficult and I'd rather avoid that.

Or we can make Gloin a weapon that plays well with the current Heir panoply. We already know that when Gloin becomes king he'll take up Trollslayer, as will any heirs after him like Gimli since its the King's weapon and symbolic of the events that created the Kingship in the first place. This is the simpler option, but does mean we need to be aiming for weapons that suit the Hailmantle empowered Drake's Mantle that Gloin uses.
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We kinda have a problem there as we don't have any MRunes in the talisman category to combo with fire. The Master Rune of Fiery Defense sounds like what we want with a fire combo but I wonder if we can get MGrungni or MSpite to take on a fire element. Like For MSpite, a combo that reflects the hit but as an explosion of fire or something. Fjolla's staff does something similar to magic but better with MSpellspite which probably has MSpite in it so it should work.
 
Would getting research help with from the Brotherhood negate some of the prestige gains from gromril chain? I seems logical that it could but I suppose it depends on how it's written.
 
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By Grimnir's Adamant balls... I thought Otrek has all-orange gear, turns out I was mistaken

I guess my suggestion would be Hammer with MCurrents+Cold+striking/might. The idea is to create a hammer to freeze our opponents solid before smashing them with a single blow.

Enthusiast#117 said:
Also, I think the flavor text for Courage is a better fit than for Determination.
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Where do I find all the flavor text?
 
LaggPlaguedDuke said:
We kinda have a problem there as we don't have any MRunes in the talisman category to combo with fire. The Master Rune of Fiery Defense sounds like what we want with a fire combo but I wonder if we can get MGrungni or MSpite to take on a fire element. Like For MSpite, a combo that reflects the hit but as an explosion of fire or something. Fjolla's staff does something similar to magic but better with MSpellspite which probably has MSpite in it so it should work.
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That is a problem yeah which is why my initial suggestions decided to not go with elements but themes that can support them. For example Wandering + Speed + Impact captures another element of the whole meteor imagery we were going with for Otrek (it got brought up a long ass time ago, months ago as a possibility), with the nice element not playing badly with Hailmantle and might even be able to bring in the image of the wearer almost being a hailstone flung at great speed if the set stays ice focused. Basically, if we could make an ice themed weapon it'd probably make a successful set between Hailmantle and the talisman.

But legit, it might be better to just make a hammer and have it become part of the Heir's panoply.

Salty Birb said:
By Grimnir's Adamant balls... I thought Otrek has all-orange gear, turns out I was mistaken

I guess my suggestion would be Hammer with MCurrents+Cold+striking/might. The idea is to create a hammer to freeze our opponents solid before smashing them with a single blow.



Where do I find all the flavor text?
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You're not the only person to come up with something like that, and it'd be pretty dang straightforward.
 
A reminder that we still have these;
[Tier 4] Elder Thundertusk's Tusk x2: Can be a cold oriented upgrade to [T3] Stonehorn's Horns.
Master Rune of Smiting, Necessary Ingredients: [T3] Stonehorn's Horns: Every blow by a weapon bearing this Rune strikes with force beyond reckoning.

A hammer with MSmiting(ETT), Cold(Thundertusk Blood), Impact(Thundertusk Tusk). A hammer that freezes then shatters its target.
 
UlseDovThur said:
A reminder that we still have these;
[Tier 4] Elder Thundertusk's Tusk x2: Can be a cold oriented upgrade to [T3] Stonehorn's Horns.
Master Rune of Smiting, Necessary Ingredients: [T3] Stonehorn's Horns: Every blow by a weapon bearing this Rune strikes with force beyond reckoning.

A hammer with MSmiting(ETT), Cold(Thundertusk Blood), Impact(Thundertusk Tusk). A hammer that freezes then shatters its target.
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Replace the blood with our Elder Frostwyrm Blood and that'd be close to max on every cold related upgrade we have.
 
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