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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Dain II Ironfoot said:
Soooooo let's hope he's not corrupted yet. If that's possible.
But I'm not all that familiar with the Warhammer timeline or the lore in general for that matter.
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As stated by others, Galrauch fought and was possesed during the Great Incursion, around the same time we fought the Great Siege against the forces of Kohlek Suneater. Unless something changed drasticly somehow I don't see any reason why he should not exist yet.

Dark as Silver said:
Assuming it is a chaos dragon this would probably have to be an OC as in canon I don't think the chaos dwarves ever went north.
Unless by coincidence the Lord of Change just happened to possess the same dragon that he would have in canon.
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Could be an OC. Could be Galrauch. Could be just a normal non-chaos dragon. The thing is that the Chaos Dwarfs fate in quest canon changed because of lucky rolls and us making a banner that gave the Ancestors a little extra juice that helped those rolls. Thus, we are now in the North and fighting a hold mostly taken over by Chaos Dwarf infiltration and treachery. I do think the same dragon is still possed by the same Lord of Change though, because I don't really see any action of us having effect in Ulthuan during the Great Incursion, and the battle in which canon Galrauch was possessed by a Lord of Change was fought in Ulthuan at that time.

Rovos said:
i just want to point out. the old fire breather they mention was a different captive that the Dawi Zhar had alreaddy taken, like they were now taking the captive deamon away. likely they had a chained up magma dragon since they were taking it's blood.
and no dragon would refer to any other dragon as 1 old if he is older and 2 as "the old fire breather" since that is very much an insulting and improper way to address another of it's kind
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What I was thinking is that the Lord of Change possesed Galrauch, Galrauch was still fighting him within his mind, then the possessed dragon was captured by the Dawi-Zhar and they extracted the Lord of Change for their own goals. Maybe binding, maybe fuel, maybe the Deamon is an advisor is the Deamon is one of the sacrafices. Anyway, that would mean that Galrauch is once again in control of his own body. He is mentioned as one of the mightiest dragons during that time and as dragons only grow bigger and stronger with age, Galrauch would be an ancient drake. Hence, 'tremendous bulk', 'old fire-breather' and 'ancient ears and mind'. The possessed dragon is noted to be a sorceror and he might have kept some of those abilities. Or Galrauch was already a magic caster. hence 'bindings to suppress its magic'. And the mentions of a Deamon and the 'Remember' part were what made me think of this specific individual.
As you say, the Dragon and the Deamon might not have anything to to with each other beside both being captured by the same party. It's just that the particular combination of ancient dragon, remembering, magic and a deamon made me think of Galrauch. And I think that if they could, the followers of Hashut would be very happy indeed to capture the First Chaos Dragon, extract and enslave the Lord of Change possessing him, and having Hashut posses him instead. The Father of the Chaos Dragons becoming instead the Father in Darkness, God of Fire, Greed and Tiranny. Seems right up his alley to me.
 
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ja.b.n. said:
As stated by others, Galrauch fought and was possesed during the Great Incursion, around the same time we fought the Great Siege against the forces of Kohlek Suneater. Unless something changed drasticly somehow I don't see any reason why he should not exist yet.

Could be an OC. Could be Galrauch. Could be just a normal non-chaos dragon. The thing is that the Chaos Dwarfs fate in quest canon changed because of lucky rolls and us making a banner that gave the Ancestors a little extra juice that helped those rolls. Thus, we are now in the North and fighting a hold mostly taken over by Chaos Dwarf infiltration and treachery. I do think the same dragon is still possed by the same Lord of Change though, because I don't really see any action of us having effect in Ulthuan during the Great Incursion.



What I was thinking is that the Lord of Change possesed Galrauch, Galrauch was still fighting him within his mind, then the possessed dragon was captured by the Dawi-Zhar and they extracted the Lord of Change for their own goals. Maybe binding, maybe fuel, maybe the Deamon is an advisor is the Deamon is one of the sacrafices. Anyway, that would mean that Galrauch is once again in control of his own body. He is mentioned as one of the mightiest dragons during that time and as dragons only grow bigger and stronger with age, Galrauch would be an ancient drake. Hence, 'tremendous bulk', 'old fire-breather' and 'ancient ears and mind'. The possessed dragon is noted to be a sorceror and he might have kept some of those abilities. Or Galrauch was already a magic caster. hence 'bindings to suppress its magic'. And the mentions of a Deamon and the 'Remember' part were what made me think of this specific individual.
As you say, the Dragon and the Deamon might not have anything to to with each other beside both being captured by the same party. It's just that the particular combination of ancient dragon, remembering, magic and a deamon made me think of Galrauch. And I think that if they could, the followers of Hashut would be very happy indeed to capture the First Chaos Dragon, extract and enslave the Lord of Change possessing him, and having Hashut posses him instead. The Father of the Chaos Dragons becoming instead the Father in Darkness, God of Fire, Greed and Tiranny. Seems right up his alley to me.
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no, what i meant was is that the perspective character with it's enormous bulk ancirnt ears, that remembers ISN't A DRAGON read the passage again

A bellow of hatred, a cursing scream, and a scratch of pain echo out from beyond its cell, ancient ears and an equally ancient mind realizing that its captors have come for the Daemon just as they came for the old fire-breather. Seemingly no longer satisfied with just its blood.

he is refering to them coming for the deamon like they did the old fire breather becouse they were no longer satisfied with ITS blood.
They aren't referencing themselves but a dragon that was perviously held captive here who is now likely dead like the deamon outside in the other cell.
a dragon would never call another dragon Old firebreather therefore the aincient and remembers things don't parse anyway becouse the character isn't a dragon but a different creature which can use magic. reminder there are other massive things that use magic around especially in this AU like idk the KoTS or something simmilair to it
 
Rovos said:
he is refering to them coming for the deamon like they did the old fire breather becouse they were no longer satisfied with ITS blood.
They aren't referencing themselves but a dragon that was perviously held captive here who is now likely dead like the deamon outside in the other cell.
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ah, you say there were 3 captives. 1 dragon, 1 deamon, and 1 other that is the PoV and an unkown but large magical and ancient being that is neither dragon nor deamon.
mmm, you might be right. I read the 'old fire-breather' as the dragon refering to itself. In a kind of sarcastic third-person view description of itself, with there being just 2 captives one of which the dragon and 1 the deamon. And that the Deamont is being pulled away because the Dawi-Zhar are no longer satisfied with just its (AKA the PoV) dragon blood, they also need something from the Deamon. Oh well, I suppose we will have to see.
 
I really don't think it's Galrauch.

From a Doylist perspective, the villain of this arc is Horgrimm Ironhand. There's a Keeper of Secrets involved, and a Shard of Hashut. Galrauch would deserve his own arc.

No, i think this is a potential ally or enemy for a future arc.
 
ja.b.n. said:
ah, you say there were 3 captives. 1 dragon, 1 deamon, and 1 other that is the PoV and an unkown but large magical and ancient being that is neither dragon nor deamon.
mmm, you might be right. I read the 'old fire-breather' as the dragon refering to itself. In a kind of sarcastic third-person view description of itself, with there being just 2 captives one of which the dragon and 1 the deamon. And that the Deamont is being pulled away because the Dawi-Zhar are no longer satisfied with just its (AKA the PoV) dragon blood, they also need something from the Deamon. Oh well, I suppose we will have to see.
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no they stated they came for the deamon like they did the dragon. it's past tense they came for old fire breather when they were no longer satisfied with just it's blood. this implies they at some point in the past killed old firebreather becouse they needed it's parts for something or the entirety of it for something

so yes there were 3 captives the POv, the deamon in the other cell and old firebreather.

old firebreather was a bloodbank for some time untill they killed it or did something equally horrible to it in the past. they just came and are killing the deamon meaning only teh PoV is left
 
So any other powerful ancient beings that spring to mind? I also assumed it is civilised in the meaning that it doesn't come over like a raging berserker. Still doesn't mean it's friendly tho.

On another note how much time has passed for us since the campaign started?
 
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Look, its ears were called out, it makes really loud noises, it's Xbox Huge, and it remembers

And who doesn't forget?

It's a giant pink elephant. They're trying to corrupt the spirit of beer!
 
[X] Tunnels: Take the paths down to the ritual site.

[X] Retainers: Send them elsewhere without you.
- [X] to aid the evacuation.

I assume aiding the evacuation means our guards rolls will be mechanically assisting in all evacuation rolls including the dwarfs that will likely be in the ritual site?
 
Alectai said:
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Look, its ears were called out, it makes really loud noises, it's Xbox Huge, and it remembers

And who doesn't forget?

It's a giant pink elephant. They're trying to corrupt the spirit of beer!
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dear god, it is. The giant pink elephant that later becomes the father of all mamoth. you know, that being that was forced to Chaos by some human marauder in canon giving the Norsii the War Mamoth. It must be. Good, let us free it and share ale with it and introduce it to the KotS. Then we can be buddies and make the Mamoth our second allied race, and do better then that shoddy human work. Give them proper armour, and more importantly, proper ale!
 
soulcake said:
She remembers going to the Guildhalls only to find both her siblings slain at the hands of their own Masters.
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This really stood out to me on a reread. Betrayal of the Ancestors, defiling of a hold, stealing runecraft, all that is sucky and bad, but this is probably the most detestable of their crimes. The master-apprentice relationship is the most integral part of pretty much every aspect of dwarf society. It's a bond as sacred as the ones between family, something that informs how every single new generation receives their wisdom. For the Frurndar to have violated that tradition like this ... I think that might be the thing that makes Snorri's blood boil the most.
 
[X] Tunnels: Take the paths down to the ritual site.

[X] Retainers: Send them elsewhere without you.
- [X] to aid the evacuation.
 
fire breather = dragon
daemon = daemon. Knowing lore it's probably Khornate. The most pissed about being in a hell cannon
loud honker never forgets? = father of mammoths, good boy, very fluff
 
[X] Tunnels: Take the paths down to the ritual site.

"Prophet say hello to hammer. Hammer say goodbye to prophet." -Snorri, introducing Horgrimm to Zharrgal
 
Havalt300 said:
Maybe it's a Sky Titan? I don't know if they were magical but they were old.
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possibly. reading 2 facts on the wiki suggests at least some magical abbility:
- "Although alarmed, the Skytitans were far from helpless, and they unleashed lightning storms and avalanches, slaying many Ogres"
- "here was rumour of the final few Skytitans unfettering their mountaintops and sailing away on the cloud"
 
And Sky Titans at this point would still be around. The Ogres are still in the plains and haven't been forced into the mountains yet.
 
soulcake said:
Igna's Gromriltrommi are better fighters than them. For a variety of reasons, one of them being encased in suits of armour warded to a degree that it makes an Ironbreaker look like a guy in a suit made of tin cans. That and the fact that they're devoted purely to martial matters as Igna's bodyguards unlike your Hearth Guard.
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They won't feel insulted if we send them to save people while we wreck the ritual site, correct?
 
[X] Tunnels: Take the paths down to the ritual site.

[X] Retainers: Send them elsewhere without you.
- [X] to aid the evacuation.
 
[X] Tunnels: Take the paths down to the ritual site.

[X] Retainers: Send them elsewhere without you.
- [X] to aid the evacuation.
 
[X] Tunnels: Take the paths down to the ritual site.
[X] Retainers: Send them elsewhere without you.
- [X] to aid the evacuation.
 
[X] Tunnels: Take the paths down to the ritual site.

[X] Retainers: Send them elsewhere without you.
-[X] to aid the evacuation.
 
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