question: what evidence do we have that it is in fact multiverse crap with homura moving to a new universe and abandoning the old one? instead of one of the hundreds of other possibilities of how it might work? like her scraping the old universe and creating a new universe with the same starting point. or creating tiny looplets in time, or simply forcing reality to rewind. or any other possibility.
like as far as I know the only evidence for the multiverse theory is that kyubey says that homuras timetravel keeps stacking universes worth of karmic destiny onto homura and madoka. because they are ultimately the ones that the fate of everything rests on

on the other note, we could try and show her all of the benefits that her looping has achieved, how people understand the risks of the system unlike in the first loop. and that people look up to her and count on her. the simplest solution is usually the best one, and if the reason for homura spiraling is that she feels she has done more harm than good then the simplest solution would just be to show her all the positives she herself has made
like, even with us, and the idea that our existence is proof of her failure because madoka wished us into existence, our metaknowledge which is honestly the one thing we can use, we wouldn't know anything if it wasn't for homura, almost every single scrap of information we have is just that we know what homura has seen and been through. or could see and go through, without her we would be just as doomed to this system as everyone else.
 
question: what evidence do we have that it is in fact multiverse crap with homura moving to a new universe and abandoning the old one? instead of one of the hundreds of other possibilities of how it might work? like her scraping the old universe and creating a new universe with the same starting point. or creating tiny looplets in time, or simply forcing reality to rewind. or any other possibility.

In Wraith Arc, Homura can return to timelines she previously left. Wraith Arc is equally canonical to Rebellion, being written directly by the same writing staff.

In Homura's Revenge, the timelines Homura leaves are confirmed to continue existing independently. Firnagzen confirmed that Homura's Revenge mechanics are canon to PMAS, even if the exact events never occurred.
 
*Witch-girl intensifies*
part of me wonders if we could go the opposite way of trying to not feel witchy and just go fully into it, be the most witchy witch girlof all time without being a witch
"Okay, that's a neat parlor trick but what are you even trying to pull here? Can I talk with her? Can I see her again? Without those things, this is just jewelry."
"You're just jewelry!"
Kyousuke is a guitarist in one timeline.

Building a new universe would be functionally identical to sliding, but with the added bonus of taking enough magic to Witch every girl in the universe.
not necessarily, pick apart one universe for parts and resemble it into a previous state. or with a branching timeline, where choices cause reality to split in two, creating a sort of time tree
as perfect cell says "multiverse theory's a bitch"
 
Hypothesis: Past Madokas contributing potential means that they must still be able to affect the future. Homura realizes that she hasn't been going back and has in fact just been getting and endless train of Madokas killed.
 
part of me wonders if we could go the opposite way of trying to not feel witchy and just go fully into it, be the most witchy witch girlof all time without being a witch

"You're just jewelry!"

not necessarily, pick apart one universe for parts and resemble it into a previous state. or with a branching timeline, where choices cause reality to split in two, creating a sort of time tree
as perfect cell says "multiverse theory's a bitch"

There was literally a panel explaining how Homura's time travel works at Madogatari. It was translated and put on the wiki.

And, y'know, Kyubey outright said Madoka's potential is from her being the focal point of multiple timelines being tied together, which makes no fucking sense if there's only one timeline just being warped to hell.

Re: potentialbomb, what it boils down to is, Homura's entire reason for living is saving Madoka and being the one to do it. More than just "I want to protect her", there's the subconscious motivation of "I want there to be some actual good reason for my being born."

It doesn't really MATTER that Kyubey's Mado-preying reaches an upper limit, because the stronger Madoka's potential, the stronger her witch, which means the more suffering Madoka suffers as a Witch, which is, uh... forever.

In the first timeline, Madoka was simply just dead. Of COURSE Homura would be devastated. She is ACTUALLY, Literally making Madoka suffer worse every time she changes anything, as far as she can possibly determine. And, as Godwinson said, if things got better because of Sabrina, a Madowish, it means Madoka had to save herself.

it means Homura didn't save her.

You know another scenario where Madoka bailed Homura out with a Madowish and Homura eventually witched out over it? Rebellion.
 
Okay, So I've been away for a few hours, but I have my own track on how the potentialbomb would hurt Homura.

Firn's just been quoted posting about how he likes to hide the solutions to problems in plain sight.

Well as far as things that are in plain sight for Homura goes, one thing that keeps coming up in PMAS, again and again and again, is how Homura feels guilty for what she's done. For how she thinks she's hurting Madoka.

As seen during the rooftop scene in Surface Tension, it's mentioned when we talked to her about why she pulled away from Madoka.

She shivers, a whole body quiver. "It's early yet," she says, voice low and choked. "I don't know what's coming. Whether she- what I've done-"

Homura makes that little gesture you've seen just once, that half aborted grasp at something just out of her reach.

From In the Mind of Akemi Homura, it's a Massive part of why she trusts us.

She tells you that she knows. Knows about what you've been through, what you've done. She understands. And she looks you in the eye, and tells you that you are amazing for it. She tells you that Madoka would approve.

Nobody has ever told you that. Nobody could tell you that. Nobody should have the right to tell you that.

She did. She can, and she does.


And she cares about you. She cares about you. Not 'an ally', not 'a fellow magical girl', not 'an enemy of my enemy'. She cares about Akemi Homura, the person. She gives you advice, her trust, and her friendship, even when you don't entirely trust her.

There's just about one other person you can think of who's ever done that for you.

And...

You remember her Wish.

So you let yourself believe.

So when she tells you that she has an idea, tells you to trust her...

Perhaps you could try it, just this once.

Perhaps it'll go better this time.

It comes up in during both potentialbomb talks with Oriko.

Oriko takes a shuddering breath, closing her eyes before looking at you again. "She's making things worse," she says in a low voice. "Kyuubey already knows, and if he tells her that, she will despair. You have to stop that from happening."

"So... I wanted to ask you about revealing the link of Madoka's potential and the loops to Homura. I... no, no-" You hold up your hands to forestall Oriko's protests. "I'm not thinking about doing it anytime soon, but I need to know, because I'm sure the Incubator will try to use it as a weapon sometime. That's what it did... before."

"Ah," Oriko says, frowning. "I... I have something to raise, too, after we are done, but for now, what do you wish to know?"

"How does she learn about it?" you ask. "That's the most important. Where? How does she react, in as much detail as you recall? I know that losing your magic meant that a lot of the visions were lost too, but you remember some of it, right?"

Oriko nods, frowning in thought for a moment - though she doesn't get to answer before Kirika bounces back in, waving a metal chain with knuckle-sized links purloined from somewhere.

-snip cute couple-

"As I was about to say, Sabrina - the 'how' is simple," Oriko says. "She despairs in truth, because it means that for every gain she's made, the obstacles simply become more insurmountable. Walpurgisnacht alone is no longer her only foe to contend with, let alone the Incubator's increased machinations."

"Even with me here? Even with the changes I've made?" you say.

"If you are present, then certainly you can drag her back from the edge of oblivion," Oriko says, and sighs. "Tomoe Mami could not. Miki Sayaka could not... Kaname Madoka would make it worse if present. She would have lost everything."

"Yeah, I get that," you say with a grimace. "Which makes the when and how even more important?"

"The Incubator," Oriko says, scowling. "You yourself. I gather you want to do it under controlled circumstances, which I think unwise even then. Kaname Madoka, too, has the potential for it."

"Madoka," you say, sitting back. "Huh. Do you have any more detail, Oriko?"

She nods jerkily, frown deepening into worried furrows that Kirika reaches up to smooth away. Oriko sighs, slumping and pressing a kiss to Kirika's forehead.

"In the days before Walpurgisnacht," Oriko says finally. "As you assemble the magical girls to fight. That's when the Incubator strikes, to tear it all down. Kaname Madoka... she's a lot smarter than she looks. I suspect she figures it out soon after she finds about the loops."

"That fits," you say, scowling. "Striking for the greatest possible effect."

Oriko nods, sighing.

"I apologise," she says. "I... don't remember clearly."

Whatever Feathers is, if Homura reacts to it like that, I imagine it means it will signify how much Homura has hurt Madoka. How things are her fault. And this time in ways that can't ever be taken back.

Most explicitly, it's in our timestop conversation with Homura during To the White Forest.
"Do... do you feel that you don't deserve happiness because of your actions in the loops?" you murmur gently.

"I-" Homura jerks under your arm, eyes twitching up to stare at you. "You- you know what I've done."

"I know," you say, bowing your head and closing your eyes. "I know, Homura. But I... I had to be sure. I... trust me? I'm going somewhere with this."

Homura's mouth opens, but her voice seems to fail her. She shuts it, and slumps.

"OK," you murmur. "And... do you think what you've done in the loops has hurt Madoka?"

She doesn't even raise her head this time, curling up smaller in your hug. "Yes," she whispers.
"She's wrong," Homura whispers, the words agonized and raw. "She- she shouldn't, I- I failed-"

"No, Homura," you say. "No, she's right to trust you. Without you, none of this would be possible. Without you, Mami, Sayaka, Mitakihara itself, Madoka... it'd all be gone for good. The only reason we have the chance to fight for a better future is because you never gave up. The only reason I exist is because you never gave up. I owe everything to you, Homura."

"I-" Homura chokes on the word, shaking her head wordlessly. "I failed. I- I only hurt Madoka."

I think this all ties into the potentialbomb. I think Kyuubey's going to raise it in a way so as to highlight to Homura that this is her fault. What's most apparent in PMAS itself is Homura's guilt of what she's done, and so I think that's what Kyuubey is going to prey upon in delivering the potentialbomb.


Right now, I think one of Homura's balms for her guilt is that everything shes' done has been undone by going back in time, which is part of why the Madoka's dreams conversation hit her so hard. So perhaps part of what the potentialbomb and parallel universes might do is show her that, no, she is not unmaking events. The all the pasts timelines where she hurt Madoka are still there.

Regardless of that bit however, I think that if problem involves Homura blaming herself for what she's done, then I think what we need is to ensure she realizes that it is not her fault, or at least not hers alone.



Beyond that, I also think we need to raise to her that if she wants to avoid hurting Madoka, then she needs to talk with her, and plan with her.

Hell, we could compare it to being the same as we do with Mami: We worry constantly about hurting Mami and we have regrets of having done so at times, but we work to prevent and fix that by talking to her. By asking her preferences. By explaining ourselves to her. By planning things out with her. By listening to her.

This particular bit is not just for potentialbomb reasons either: This is a deep pain for Homura, she needs to solve it, and I think our own relationship and communication with Mami is a better way forward. Maybe not perfect, but better than what she has now.

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On another Bomb-y note. I'm considering explicitly asking Mami if she wants one of Niko's perception filters keyed for her own personal use.

I think?.. I've talked about the possibility of the witchbomb spreading as more girls come into the city and it becomes more and more likely to spread, and using Niko's perception filters as emergency stopgap solutions to girls learning things they're not prepared for, at least until each girl can be helped through it all more thoroughly and permanently than mind magic can provide. (The ideal being that each device would be accepted voluntarily and affect only the wearer)

Talking about it may be a bit hairy, but I think something like this would help Mami and give her and us time to figure out how to work through it all in the event of the worst case scenario, and given her attitude towards infobombs I think Mami is not unlikely to accept such a thing.

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Ugh, I've been writing this up for hours and I feel like there's something I should be making a longer post with more to tie it all together but... well, this is what I've got.

But yeah, Firn prides himself on leaving textual evidence and foreshadowing and I think this here can be taken as that.
 
On another Bomb-y note. I'm considering explicitly asking Mami if she wants one of Niko's perception filters keyed for her own personal use.

I can see the reasoning for this, but I am worried that directly asking her if she wants one is indirectly putting pressure on her to have one.

I think that in order to defuse the potential-bomb, Homura needs to work to improve her self esteem, to reduce her feeling of "I'm worthless" , and she has shown signs of willingness to improve herself in non-Walpurgisnacht-related matters, so we already have progress. As an example:

"You know nearly everything," Homura says, violet eyes looking very tired.

"Yeah," you agree.

"How do you... stay so happy?" Homura asks, voice soft.

We could simply ask her and try to have a conversation about her self esteem directly when she brings something like that up again. We've brought it up before, but mostly just argued with her low self esteem (Affirmations like "You are amazing" and logical reasoning as to why) rather than having a conversation about how low self esteem as a problem (I think she already knows this) and that it can be helped/changed (I think this part is important).

Unfortunately, Homura still treats "I don't deserve Madoka's compassion" as a truism. I'm not sure whether she already realizes she's doing this or not, but regardless, we can point out to her that ways of thinking can be changed, and that it is not "simply true" that she is worthless, but is a self-made construct.

"If Madoka knew everything you've done for her, she wouldn't hesitate for a second to say that you were her greatest and best friend," you murmur. "I know it, Homura. She would."

And she did, that once upon a never that will never be. Not if you have anything to say about it.

"I-" Homura's breath hitches. "I don't deserve it."

"You've made her life better," you say. "You haven't made it perfect. You haven't hit your own standards of success, but you've made her life better. You're making progress. You try so hard, even for Mami and Sayaka, even though they keep falling."

You gesture at your friends, frozen in the timestop, and you give Mami a smile. She can't see it, but still. You've... you've come to rely on her. She supports you as much as you support her, and it's comforting.

"You didn't give up on them, even when it seemed impossible," you say. "You kept trying, and you kept getting closer."

Homura shakes her head, tired and slow.

Really I think that Homura is the only person who can help herself, and she is already taking the first steps, which is a great sign, but she has a lot of things to work through. We can only help her help herself.

We can't rush her into a solution or forcefully change her way of thinking. We just need to continue to be a good friend, continue talking to her, listening to her, offering input when asked, and obviously, fattening her up.
 
Self-worth issues. Our approach to this with Madoka is to give her things to do that only Madoka can do. What can Homura do that only Homura can do?
 
Self-worth issues. Our approach to this with Madoka is to give her things to do that only Madoka can do. What can Homura do that only Homura can do?

More importantly what can she do without timestop since we still don't quite know what happens with that after Walpurgisnacht, she might lose it permanently - we don't know the exact mechanics. Magia Record unfortunately hasn't gone into detail about what's precisely up with that yet.
 
Hmm. Madoka needs a friend. Like, more than Sayaka and Hitomi and Mami. Our perspectives are all just a bit off or too self-centered. We can't empathize with Madoka all that well. Homura, though? There's nothing for self-esteem quite like someone thinking that you're the best person in the world. And that's certainly something that Homura can do, and something that only Homura can do.
 
Hmm. Madoka needs a friend. Like, more than Sayaka and Hitomi and Mami. Our perspectives are all just a bit off or too self-centered. We can't empathize with Madoka all that well. Homura, though? There's nothing for self-esteem quite like someone thinking that you're the best person in the world. And that's certainly something that Homura can do, and something that only Homura can do.

I'm not sure that's going to be a convincing reason to Homura though. To Homura, Madoka is so obviously amazing that other people will inevitably recognise her greatness with time, if only she survives.
 
Really I think that Homura is the only person who can help herself, and she is already taking the first steps, which is a great sign, but she has a lot of things to work through. We can only help her help herself.

While I don't disagree entirely (as the first step to helping yourself is wanting to get better and accepting help when offered), ultimately what Homura needs is professional therapy. She's undergone trauma that would make war veterans blush, very, very few people are able to work through that themselves and I really don't see insecure Homura as one of them. She needs the help of a professional who has experience with helping war veterans (which arguably all meguca are) overcome their PTSD and their psychological problems from the things they witnessed.

We've paid lip service to the idea in the topic before, but I have to admit I'm a bit disappointed we haven't really taken any concrete steps in that direction yet. It's been almost a year since we imprisoned she-who-must-not-be-named, and while that person is currently gemmed, we still have another prisoner who isn't and who needs a prison therapist, but we haven't done anything towards that yet. I know that Sabrina being us means she has a compulsive need to fix everything herself (a problem she should honestly look into getting professional help for :V ) and that off-screening these matters to "[insert girl] had a session with [insert therapist]" might feel hand-wavy or Deus Ex Machina-ish, but it's a simple fact that in-universe Sabrina simply doesn't have the qualifications for the job.

Don't get me wrong, what we are doing, being there for Homura, Mami, Kyoko, Sayaka and Madoka, listening to their problems and advising them best as we can definately helps and gives them much needed support. But Sabrina is not a professional. She hasn't studied for it, she has no medical degree in psychological therapy involving such heavy trauma as Homura and Mami and Kyoko and our two prisoners have suffered. If we really want to help Homura, want to break the potential bomb to her, want to get Kyoko to not think she deserves to suffer, we should stop winging things by attempting to play doctor ourselves, but find a trustworthy therapist asap and gently pursuade our friends to seek out said therapist's help.

As someone with mental health issues, just talking as Sabrina tries isn't going to fix everything. It can help, but we don't know the best way to tackle or approach these matters in a way that helps Homura (or any of the others) progress like a psychologist would. Heck, maybe Homura even needs anti-depressant medication, we don't know and we won't know until we stop dragging our feet and just admit we're a bit in over our heads and seek out help ourselves. Y'know, practice what we preach and all.

I'm not trying to be rude here, my apologies if it comes across as such. I'm simply worried that with us set to take on Tokyo on our already overloaded plate, we'll be pushing this therapist thing on the long road even further. Let's not, please. For Sabrina's sake and the sake of all our friends (and prisoners).
 
It's been, what, 24 hours? Is "concrete progress" on that kind of timeframe even possible unless you, like, just got carried out of a terrorist attack?

I suppose, just feels a lot longer due to how much time irl has passed. And to be completely honest, this is probably something that should have been considered long before it got to Airi. To say that the PMMM cast has issues that would give Freud a headache would be the understatement of the century and something Sabrina knew from the start going in. But it ziz what it ziz.

EDIT: As I learned from Neinet's post just below me, therapy has been considered for a much longer time by the thread than since we imprisoned Airi. My apologies for assuming things (in my small defence: the thread is 6000+ pages long).
 
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While I don't disagree entirely (as the first step to helping yourself is wanting to get better and accepting help when offered), ultimately what Homura needs is professional therapy

Wholeheartedly agreed there.

I believe there is already a concrete plan to get a therapist in, talking with Hitomi's mom about it during the dinner on Saturday. It would be nice if we could get that ball rolling this afternoon rather than Saturday by asking Hitomi to see if her mom would be willing to help with that when she sees her mom next.

It's been, what, 24 hours?

Therapy was first mentioned and given serious thought back in Under the Radar. 10 days ago.
 
We captured Airi Tuesday morning, and it's currently Thursday evening. So somewhere around 60 hours.
Okay, fine. Three days. As far as I'm concerned, same fucking difference. It's probably going to take a month in-game to get an appointment anyway.
I suppose, just feels a lot longer due to how much time irl has passed. And to be completely honest, this is probably something that should have been considered long before it got to Airi. To say that the PMMM cast has issues that would give Freud a headache would be the understatement of the century. But it ziz what it ziz.
I totally agree. I'm pretty sure I've been advocating for the it for quite a long time. Unfortunately, every single time we get a moment with any of them we go and shove our entire leg in our mouth and have to spend the rest of the conversation getting fuck-all done except trying to avoid bad-ending one of our friends on the spot.

I believe there is already a concrete plan to get a therapist in, talking with Hitomi's mom about it during the dinner on Saturday. It would be nice if we could get that ball rolling this afternoon rather than Saturday by asking Hitomi to see if her mom would be willing to help with that when she sees her mom next.
I'm going to be honest, the first step is getting someone to agree that they A) can benefit from therapy and B) can reveal anything to anyone. You know as well as I do that Homura isn't going to talk about anything with anyone but us. She barely even talks to us and we have the fucking wish of Madokami driving us. Those "intervention" things don't work. And, unfortunately, as mentioned above we literally haven't had a single conversation with Homura with any immediate priority other than OH FUCK INITIATE EMERGENCY THERAPY.
 
as mentioned above we literally haven't had a single conversation with Homura with any immediate priority other than OH FUCK INITIATE EMERGENCY THERAPY.

I wouldn't be surprised if she associates us wishing to talk to her with something either already off the rails, about to go off the rails, or potentially can cause all plans to go off the rails... and whether said issue will only be a non-issue, cause a small bump, or if she needs to go full Homu on it to steer everything back on track. In short, "Sabrina... did you break something... again?"
 
Oh dammit @Firnagzen.

*sighs*

Okay, so if I'm right, then not only does this quest make making Mami saying "It's magic, I don't have to explain it" saying into a significant plot point --- namely, by being her coping mechanism --- But another one of the core psychological issues at play is getting across the point...

That Homura did nothing wrong.

(The jury is still out on fighting Madokami though. :V)
 
The jury is still out on fighting Madokami though.

Considering some of the things Magi Reco all but says about the Law of Cycles (Note: Not Madokami herself. Just the law of cycles... which incidentally the Clara Dolls of all things also make a clear distinction towards- Liking Madoka but hating the Law of Cycles.)... yeah... the Jury is still very much hung.



Now, unfortunately, the video where this side story was translated was taken down, so I had to scour around for at least an upload of the video itself. However, remembering the gist of what happened: Nagisa's side story basically reveals that she was picked to deal with Kamihama specifically because she would most likely ignore how the Law of Cycles would want her to handle the situation by Madoka. As in, even she herself views the laws as something that needs countermanding. In this side story, Mami has recovered after her stint with the Wings of Magius (long story) and isn't trusting herself or her judgment to help others because of it. Nagisa, despite the Law of Cycles (in the guise of Pink Kyubey) not wanting her to interfere with Mami due to how it creates a paradox (their lives are intertwined due to how often she's the one who kills her) or something to that effect, goes to Mami to help remind her of who she is and reinspire her. In the end though, after succeeding, the Law of Cycles countermands her and takes her back to Madokami for breaking causality like that.

Nagisa, while understanding, vows to eventually find a way to break it again so she can have tea and cheesecake with Mami.

Long story short, if an agent of Madoka and Madoka herself disagree with how the Law wants to approach things... I think the Jury is far from settled.
 
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I'm going to be honest, the first step is getting someone to agree that they A) can benefit from therapy and B) can reveal anything to anyone. You know as well as I do that Homura isn't going to talk about anything with anyone but us. She barely even talks to us and we have the fucking wish of Madokami driving us. Those "intervention" things don't work. And, unfortunately, as mentioned above we literally haven't had a single conversation with Homura with any immediate priority other than OH FUCK INITIATE EMERGENCY THERAPY.

I was thinking of suggesting it as an option for her when she talks about self-improvement next, and that it's easier when we already have infrastructure for therapy in place. As you said, it only works if she believes she can benefit from it, and I believe that she would be open to it based on the "How do you stay so happy" conversation.
 
clearly when we elevate Madoka to Madokami we need to elevate Homura to be co-equal to provide a counter-balanced opinion to Madoka.

I mean she's horribly vulnerable to bribes of hugs but *shrugs*

Wait bettet idea make everyone a deity! MEGUCA PANTHEON.

ALL HAIL CHURCH OF KYOK- *killed for hersay*

:V
 
There will be a rally flag! I will be under it. Those who have the karmic destiny of attending the Castle Point Anime Convention (Secaucus, NJ) this weekend are warmly invited to come over and meet me. I will be taking photos indoors, near gaming. I will happily pause to have a chat.

This will also cause me to de-cohere for a little while in thread, sadly.

@Alternate Soul - are you, by any chance, FRESH MEAT??? Welcome! Did you catch up yet? Everyone, say hi?

@Laurelin , @Vebyast - In the worst possible circumstances, a Therapist or Psychiatrist will become a trainer to advise Sabrina to level up our actions. In the more IRL possibility, the friends always have the hard tasks, and that is still us. The pro does what friends cannot, and changes the conversation in ways a friend should not.

There are three broad thoughts I could contribute towards our thinking about the Potentialbomb. I'm really hoping our most active folks would try brainstorming, in the defined process sense, to find more. Let's heap up ideas first, then winnow the wrong ones after. That's the key to the process.

1 ) Homura is in our Quest as a fully realized person? In a 'normal' world? Then we don't have to act without precedent. Homura is in the position of a girl with high suicide risk, as we have folks posting justification to prove. IRL, is there not some set of agreed upon steps to take when suicide is anticipated? Maybe that would inspire our decisions regarding how to aid Homnura? There is magic, and stopped time, and all sorts of complication, but in the end, is her situation unique? Not at the bare bones, it isn't. We know how to adjust for Mitakihara culture, so use the wisdom that is focused upon saving people, to save this person.

2) Homura is the only reason either of them has a future. No other girls escaped the system yet. Her Wish is special, and Good.

3) Stockpiling Potential is entirely required for Homura's plan to work, and it is the only plan to be effective. It is dangerous, but entirely outside the Incubator's design. Potential is not a fatal attribute, if the Wish is avoided.

Crazy Bonus Ideas ) Potential is commutative, and as a Mortal, it is great to have more.
) Homura must acknowledge that her will and Madoka's interact, and the right intent is to form a perfect circle.
) If there were no loops, Homura's first timeline Wish would have been impossible to grant. One girl, with one fate, could not make her Wish.
 
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