'Well, she's not a robot... What's next on the list?'

"Homura, why are you running your fingers through my hair?"

".... I'm checking Mami's response time."

"Oh. That makes sense."

'No cat ears either. So that's Cat Girl crossed off as well.'

"WHO TOUCHED MY 'BRINA!"

"Across town in five seconds. Way to go Mami!"
"Only I get to pet Brina!"

"..."

"..."

"I-I mean..."

"'But you've never petted me?' Says Sabrina in a despondent tone of voice."

"W-what are you...?"

*Gasp*

'A clone!'

*Lifts Sabrina's shirt*

'Damn. Belly button.'


"No, seriously, what?"

"I don't know! Homu's been really nice and cuddly all of a sudden!"

"... Really?"

"Really! I've been hugging her for like, five minutes already, and she's still here. Look."

*Cuddles Homura tighter*

'Maybe a... slider?'

"No clue what's going through her head, really- oh she's doing something."

*Waves shield around Sabrina's head*

"What's that supposed to do?"

"Not a clue- OW!"

*Hits Sabrina's head with Shield*

"Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow... OK stop."

*Catches Homura's hand*

*Sighs and desists*

"There's definitely something weird going on. Maybe she's got a fever?"

"Nah, I'd had noticed by now if she did."

"Did she say anything weird before... this?"

"Not really, no."

"Maybe she's homesick?"

"Somehow I really doubt that."

"... Something to do with... Madoka?"

"What does... Maybe?"

*Stiffens*

"Wait, Homu- Madoka's OK, right? Righ-"

*Looks up at Sabrina*

"You're a Main Character!"


"Holy shit how did you knnnnnnnn-no clue what you're talking about."

"Tragedy or comedy?"

"You're not making sense, Homura."

"Tragedy or comedy, Sabrina?"

"... Comedy. Definitely comedy."

*Hugs Sabrina*

*Sighs*


"You know we're gonna have a talk now, right Sabrina?"

"... Damn it."
 
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"No clue what's going through her head, really- oh she's doing something."

*Waves shield around Sabrina's head*

"What's that supposed to do?"

For a moment there, I honestly thought Homura was trying to shove Sabrina's head into her hammerspace.

HAS she ever tried putting live creatures into her shield? Is this an appropriate line of SCIENTIFIC! inquiry?

... can she put a chibi-Mami/Sabrina into her shieldspace and pull out tiny adorable backup on command?
 
For a moment there, I honestly thought Homura was trying to shove Sabrina's head into her hammerspace.

HAS she ever tried putting live creatures into her shield? Is this an appropriate line of SCIENTIFIC! inquiry?

... can she put a chibi-Mami/Sabrina into her shieldspace and pull out tiny adorable backup on command?
Not a single quest we can go without asking Homura to store corpses/people in her shield.
 
Not a single quest we can go without asking Homura to store corpses/people in her shield.

It IS a strange fuzzy gray area, for a powerset that was officially described as being one giant strange fuzzy gray area in its entirety.


... I really, truly hope this was asked in a "let's hide the evidence!" manner, and not as per the D&D adventurer mindset of "you never know when you'll need a corpse/[insert horrendous object here]!"
 
Mami's muskets have hammers which do this, although those hammers seem to be tipped with some sort of crystal (unless they're just glowing hot when summoned). More modern weapons use a firing pin that hits a primer on the back of the cartridge.

. Even for a griefy autoloader we may have to ask Mami to bag her powder before handing it off to us, or we might have her continuously filling a hopper that we manage using Grief.
A shell casing is mechanically very simple, basically just a cylinder that's open at one end with a small hole in the other for the primer, so it should be well within Mami's ability to visualize and make. The tricky part is the chemicals used in the primer, and Mami might be able to replace those with whatever magical spark-generating crystal she uses on the hammers of her muskets (if that's really a thing) or by having her detcord ribbon extend through the hole where a primer would be.

We could also make each "loop" in the ammo-belt (if this is going to be belt fed) solid and closed at the end and essentially act as a shell casing that Mami just fills with propellant and shot.

Although while I was asleep it seems people moved ahead to wanting to make it a railgun? I kinda feel like we might want to save that. This is supposed to be our tandem attack with Mami, and with a railgun she'd basically just be making the projectile while we did everything else. We could probably do the railgun entirely without her if we used scrap metal instead.

The thing is, we don't actually know how Tiro Finale works or what's keeping her from making it automatic on her own.
Well, we know why she can't make fully-automatic weapons, or any weapon more advanced then a musket. It's got too many moving parts for her to fully comprehend and visualize while creating out of thin air.

Regarding Prima Luce: Isn't the obvious answer a pseudo-transparent barrier that is part of the attack? One programmed to absorb only damaging frequencies of light.
It's not the frequency that's damaging, but the intensity. But this does give me an idea.

What we could do is abuse our grief powers and knowledge of science fiction to create transparisteel with phototropic shielding from Star Wars. That was how starfighter canopies could be transparent to visible light, but still protect against lasers by darkening in response to anything intense enough to be dangerous. As we've demonstrated before, our grief constructs can recreate scifi stuff no matter how nonsensical the science involved is (because it's actually magic), so we should be able to make a shield like this. It'll just feel witchy.

'Maybe a... slider?'

"No clue what's going through her head, really- oh she's doing something."

*Waves shield around Sabrina's head*

"What's that supposed to do?"
I'm wondering that myself. How is waving her shield around supposed to determine if Sabrina is a slider? Or is she checking for wires in case Sabrina is a puppet?


... I really, truly hope this was asked in a "let's hide the evidence!" manner, and not as per the D&D adventurer mindset of "you never know when you'll need a corpse/[insert horrendous object here]!"
The portable hole full of bodaks was not one of my gaming group's better ideas, no. :D
 
I'm wondering that myself. How is waving her shield around supposed to determine if Sabrina is a slider? Or is she checking for wires in case Sabrina is a puppet?
:rolleyes: Don't be silly, dude. Of course the Shield wouldn't do anything, but it's the closest Homu's got to a magic stick, so she's waving it around to try and get a... sympathetic reaction, or something...?

Who knows, Homu obviously doesn't, as she then proceeds to resort to the traditional way of dealing with stuff you don't understand: Bashing them (in the head, in this case). /:V
 
Well, we know why she can't make fully-automatic weapons, or any weapon more advanced then a musket. It's got too many moving parts for her to fully comprehend and visualize while creating out of thin air.

She could modify that musket as she goes.

Maybe she could study the patents and schematics of a Gatling gun or Mitrailleuse for starters?
 
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All this talk about Mami's muskets reminded me of just why she worked so hard to learn another weapon-set other than her ribbons, at least according to the PSP game. I'm not certain how canon it exactly is at this point, but:

After Mami makes her contract, she bumps into a panicking mother who'd just lost her young son to a labyrinth, and (with Kyuubey's blessing) she rushes in to save him. Except it's a Witch who is absolutely the worst thing to fight without a powerful enough ranged capability- Gisela, a witch of rust and metal that transforms into a monstrous motorcycle. Mami isn't nearly experienced enough, and she can't fight it with just her ribbons; she's forced to retreat as she listens to the whimpering, dying child getting buried alive in a sandstorm of rust.

So yeah. Mami holes herself up in the library, learns muskets inside and out, and hones her craft to a ridiculous degree. On a side note, if Kyouko doesn't kill Gisela (as she does in the anime, with both combatants briefly shown on-screen), Mami does easily dispatch Gisela on her second run-in.

Although if certain flags are met and Mami's mental state is unstable enough, this goes very poorly. She bumps into a certain young widow, who went irrevocably insane after inexplicably losing her young son some years ago, and the resulting conversation pushes Mami right over the brink into witching out...

I think theoretically, with enough time and effort and motivation, Mami could figure out how to make ultra fancy modern firearms. But it took her a lot of time to just get muskets working and up to speed, and it's hard to say if any additional effort would result in enough of a combat boost to be worth it. I mean, she's made those muskets work, and I'm not sure if kludging together modifications to firing mechanisms- for increased rates of fire- would outstrip her current ability to just do the same thing with UNLIMITED MUSKET WORKS.
 

"Expended bullets can summon strings to ensnare the foe. / Strings that grow from expended bullet casings of Mami's muskets, immobilizing enemies."

... huh, I completely did not realize this was separate from Mami's ribbons, or that she even used expended bullet casings like that. That's actually a really neat power that drives home how ridiculously efficient she is with her magic.
 
"Expended bullets can summon strings to ensnare the foe. / Strings that grow from expended bullet casings of Mami's muskets, immobilizing enemies."

... huh, I completely did not realize this was separate from Mami's ribbons, or that she even used expended bullet casings like that. That's actually a really neat power that drives home how ridiculously efficient she is with her magic.
... Now I've got a mental image of crazy-hair Mami saying "Got to save space, got to save space." and twitching. :(
 
No one has asked Homura to store anything in her shield in my quest either. Of course, that might have something to do with the fact that Homura's the antagonist the protagonist is attempting to stay beneath the notice of.

[x]Redshirt Army

Chibibrina's actually test some of my goals, so they're dual purpose here.
 
HAS she ever tried putting live creatures into her shield? Is this an appropriate line of SCIENTIFIC! inquiry?
Does a meguca's body count as a live creature?

Mami's muskets have hammers which do this, although those hammers seem to be tipped with some sort of crystal (unless they're just glowing hot when summoned).

In the art, there seems to be some kind of orange crystal both on the hammer and in the pan.
 
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I have this feeling like we asked her about it at some point, but I'm not sure. And I'm at work, so I can't just search the ebook to check.
Even if her shield-space isn't good for living things, if she gems a magical girl then stores the body and the gem at different times there shouldn't be any negative results.
 
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