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[ ] Okay then! Hug Mami, then close your eyes and concentrate.
-[ ] Unleash... the chibi.
--[ ] See if you can look through the chibi's eyes. Try and get the hang of piloting/controlling it. Have Chibi Brina hug Chibi Mami.

[ ] Ah, I just talked with Homura. She said she's willing to come for Sayaka's training today, and might show up a little early to catch the tail end of our practice session. She declined to let Sayaka copy her power, for now, though. Hopefully she'll warm to the idea eventually.
-[ ] Any thoughts on what we can cover in today's session for Sayaka? I was thinking we could cover positioning and approach options. Sayaka was far too eager to rush into melee yesterday. And with Homura here, we could also cover teamwork - do a 2v2. I asked, and she said she has airsoft guns. What do you think?
-[ ] Heh. Should we prank Homura and have just our chibi's greet her? Or Sayaka? How much concentration does the chibi take? Getting some progress is more important than a silly prank - but both would be nice.

[ ] Once that discussion wraps up: GOOD MORNING MITAKIHARA!
-[ ] How is everyone? Everyone set for the picnic?
--[ ] Sayaka, is that training this morning still on?

[ ] Privately message Sayaka.
-[ ] Sorry about the early wakeup call. It's just, I screwed up, and wanted to make sure you were okay. Clear seeds can dump the grief in them into normal grief seeds on contact. It's not an issue on its own, but if a normal grief seed overfills... the witch in it can rehatch. I am very, very, very sorry about not mentioning it earlier.

[ ] Call Nagisa's uncle. Let him know about the plans for the picnic. Ask if Nagisa can attend.

[ ] Offer to try working on a tandem attack with Mami. Start by seeing if you can cooperate to make a automatic firing mechanism compatible with Mami's muskets. Look into what she actually uses for propellant, and how she wants to feed the ammunition.
-[ ] If it works, try with a scale model of Tiro Finale, to work out placement of various components, before scaling it up to full Tiro Finale size. Keep in mind the fine control you have over grief, and abuse it liberally to avoid issues common to big guns.
-[ ] Confer with Mami on other possible things that can be improved with a combination design. Applying additional electromagnetic acceleration, maybe, if she can make her projectiles conductive, or with a conductive sabot?
--[ ] If you do fire it, aim downward, because the ground is pretty much the only backstop that can withstand this thing. Take appropriate safety precautions.
--[ ] Let Mami name it.

[ ] Greet Homura when she arrives, potentially as two chibis tinkering with a massive autocannon.
 
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Slith10 said:
Are you saying you wouldn't use a pocket dimension to carry everything you possessed?
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Possessions? Yes. I would and I have in pretty much every D&D game I've ever played in.

People? Not so much. Only very briefly for the purposes of teleporting more people than the weight limits will usually allow, and transporting deceased comrades that we didn't realize were going to rise again as undead and ambush the rest of us as soon as we opened the bag. :o
 
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The Narrator said:
Possessions? Yes. I would and I have in
pretty much every D&D game I've ever played in.

People? Not so much. Only very briefly for the purposes of teleporting more people than the weight limits will usually allow, and transporting deceased comrades that we didn't realize were going to rise again as undead and ambush the rest of us as soon as we opened the bag. :o
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Only problem I could see would be perception of the pocket dimension causing insanity/ being hostile to life, either way testing with animals first should tell us if anything bad happens.
It is unlikely to happen, but if something does go wrong better an animal than one of our friends.
 
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Slith10 said:
Only problem I could see would be perception of the pocket dimension causing insanity/ being hostile to life, either way testing with animals first should tell us if anything bad happens.
It is unlikely to happen, but if something does go wrong better an animal than one of our friends.
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I nominate Kyuubey. Either he will be the first life form to boldly explore the unknown, or he will go irrevocably insane and learn what emotions feel like. It's totally a win-win situation for him. :V
 
Blorp said:
I nominate Kyuubey. Either he will be the first life form to boldly explore the unknown, or he will go irrevocably insane and learn what emotions feel like. It's totally a win-win situation for him. :V
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The potential consequences of letting the Incubators sample Homura's magic cannot be overstated. Especially with the latest wraith arc revelations.
 
Redshirt Army said:
The potential consequences of letting the Incubators sample Homura's magic cannot be overstated. Especially with the latest wraith arc revelations.
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Whoops. Apparently, I need to read Wraith Arc! Also, yeah, forgot that Kyuubey doesn't technically know about the whole time traveling thing yet (... right?). And that's only from the TV series, and doesn't include whatever other strange and horrible black feathers Homura-related things might be going down in this timeline.

I formally withdraw my nomination of Kyuubey for reasons of fuck that guy, he doesn't deserve to learn the mysteries of the universe. :V
 
While we're on the topic of the Incubators and Homura... The Incubator currently has all the pieces of the puzzle necessary to potentialbomb Homura, and it's only going to become more likely as time passes. We need to try and defuse that, and I'd prefer to do it sooner rather than later.
 
Blorp said:
Apparently, I need to read Wraith Arc!
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In summary, Homura's magic allows her to reach into past timelines, after the Madokami wish the past timelines became an eldritch realm filled with squamous horrors and the Goddesses Curse, and having a fragment of Homura's shield to study is what allowed the Incubators to try and kill God to control the Law of Cycles.
 
Blorp said:
"Expended bullets can summon strings to ensnare the foe. / Strings that grow from expended bullet casings of Mami's muskets, immobilizing enemies."

... huh, I completely did not realize this was separate from Mami's ribbons, or that she even used expended bullet casings like that. That's actually a really neat power that drives home how ridiculously efficient she is with her magic.
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Well, if you watch the Gertrude fight, Mami fires multiple shots that seemingly miss, leaving holes in the ground...

And then ribbons emerge from those holes to bind Gertrud in place.

Not bullet casings, I know, but still a showcase of how good Mami is.
 
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Redshirt Army said:
While we're on the topic of the Incubators and Homura... The Incubator currently has all the pieces of the puzzle necessary to potentialbomb Homura, and it's only going to become more likely as time passes.
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Funny that you should bring it up, because I was thinking about this a little while back.

In canon, Kyubey realizes that Homura is a time traveler after she uses time stop to kill him in epsiode 8. From this he deduces that Homura's time loops are increasing Madoka's potential, and reveals that fact to Homura right before she goes to fight Walpurgisnacht.

In this timeline, Kyubey somehow already knows that Homura's power is time stop, and should be able to deduce that Homura is a time traveler, but hasn't potentialbombed her yet.

Why? Two Three possibilities that I see:

A) He doesn't have enough information yet to connect the dots. What's the other thing that Homura does in that scene, besides use timestop to kill Kyubey? She breaks down crying in front of Madoka. She tells Madoka not to throw her life away so easily and to think about how people would miss her. It's one thing to know that Homura is a time traveler, it's another to know that she travelled through time specifically to save Madoka, and not just to stop Walpurgisnacht from destroying the city or teach Bill Murray to be a better person or make Haruhi Suzumiya's friends do their homework or the like. If Kyubey doesn't know that Madoka is the specific reason for the universe-rending time travel, then he doesn't know that her karmic potential is being increased by each loop.

B) He's waiting for the right time to tell her. In canon, Kyubey tells Homura right before she goes to fight Walpurgisnacht. And then it doesn't cause her to despair immediately. It's only when all her attacks fail, she's pinned under rubble and there's no hope of winning that the fact that she can't go back and do it over again without making Madoka's potential even higher that she starts to despair. It's possible that with more time to come to terms with it, or if the situation in that timeline had been less hopeless, then she wouldn't have given in to despair. In this timeline, we've already told Homura that we will make sure that this is the last loop, so as long as we don't let the situation become irreparable, this shouldn't be enough to destroy her.

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C) Kyubey doesn't actually care about potentialbombing Homura, because Homura isn't the main impediment to his plans in this timeline. We are.
 
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The Narrator said:
Funny that you should bring it up, because I was thinking about this a little while back.

In canon, Kyubey realizes that Homura is a time traveler after she uses time stop to kill him in epsiode 8. From this he deduces that Homura's time loops are increasing Madoka's potential, and reveals that fact to Homura right before she goes to fight Walpurgisnacht.

In this timeline, Kyubey somehow already knows that Homura's power is time stop, and should be able to deduce that Homura is a time traveler, but hasn't potentialbombed her yet.

Why? Two Three possibilities that I see:

A) He doesn't have enough information yet to connect the dots. What's the other thing that Homura does in that scene, besides use timestop to kill Kyubey? She breaks down crying in front of Madoka. She tells Madoka not to throw her life away so easily and to think about how people would miss her. It's one thing to know that Homura is a time traveler, it's another to know that she travelled through time specifically to save Madoka, and not just to stop Walpurgisnacht from destroying the city or teach Bill Murray to be a better person or make Haruhi Suzumiya's friends do their homework or the like. If Kyubey doesn't know that Madoka is the specific reason for the universe-rending time travel, then he doesn't know that her karmic potential is being increased by each loop.

B) He's waiting for the right time to tell her. In canon, Kyubey tells Homura right before she goes to fight Walpurgisnacht. And then it doesn't cause her to despair immediately. It's only when all her attacks fail, she's pinned under rubble and there's no hope of winning that the fact that she can't go back and do it over again without making Madoka's potential even higher that she starts to despair. It's possible that with more time to come to terms with it, or if the situation in that timeline had been less hopeless, then she wouldn't have given in to despair. In this timeline, we've already told Homura that we will make sure that this is the last loop, so as long as we don't let the situation become irreparable, this shouldn't be enough to destroy her.

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C) Kyubey doesn't actually care about potentialbombing Homura, because Homura isn't the main impediment to his plans in this timeline. We are.
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Addressing those points slightly out of order:

A). It's true that Kyuubey doesn't have that particular data point. However, it's still trivial to notice that Homura seems to spend an unusual amount of time focused on Madoka. If you realize Homura is a time traveler, it then becomes obvious that Madokas anomalous potential (and anomalous spike in potential) is related to Homura's sudden appearance as a puella magi.

C). Sabrina is certainly an impediment to QB's plans even beyond Homura... but we haven't exactly been shy about using Homura's power to advance our own goals. Even treating Homura as a tool for Sabrina to use instead of as a threat in her own right, the Incubator would still benefit from eliminating her.

B). The Incubator is absolutely waiting for an opportune moment to drop the bomb on Homura - mostly because the potentialbomb isn't even all that bad once you have time to think it through properly. Madoka's potential being greater does not hurt her. Even ignoring that Homura might not need to loop ever again after this timeline, just the fact that Sabrina exists proves that Homura putting all that effort in has helped Madoka. That's why I think we should pre-empt the bunnycat and defuse the bomb.

If Homura blames herself for anything, we shake her, tell her we only exist because of what she did, and thank her for making that possible.
 
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Redshirt Army said:
However, it's still trivial to notice that Homura seems to spend an unusual amount of time focused on Madoka.
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She does, but note how in canon she always tried to cover up that interest as being strategic instead of personal. Mami thought it was because of a desire to prevent competition, after all. It makes total sense to focus on Madoka even if you have no feelings for her whatsoever: she's the one whose contract is going to destroy the world. Even in this timeline, Homura's been fighting our attempts to get her closer to Madoka pretty hard. Maybe Kyubey can't make the connection until she breaks her cold façade and demonstrates her emotional investment. Or, if he does make the connection, he doesn't see the strategic value in it because without an emotional investment, there's no reason for her to despair.

EDIT: One should never underestimate Kyubey's denseness with regards to human feelings. This is the same creature that gave a wish of universe-changing power to someone with every reason to hate his guts.
 
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She does, but note how in canon she always tried to cover up that interest as being strategic instead of personal. Mami thought it was because of a desire to prevent competition, after all. It makes total sense to focus on Madoka even if you have no feelings for her whatsoever: she's the one whose contract is going to destroy the world. Even in this timeline, Homura's been fighting our attempts to get her closer to Madoka pretty hard. Maybe Kyubey can't make the connection until she breaks her cold façade and demonstrates her emotional investment. Or, if he does make the connection, he doesn't see the strategic value in it because without an emotional investment, there's no reason for her to despair.
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So we might be giving Coobs ammo to use against Homu by encouraging her to get closer to Madoka?
 
cmwatford said:
So we might be giving Coobs ammo to use against Homu by encouraging her to get closer to Madoka?
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No "might be", we are making it more obvious that there's a connection. The potential bomb is at this point in time is both unavoidable in the long run and easily handled with the correct approach - which is why defusing it is important.
 
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