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Torgamous said:
Manipulating her into getting herself killed probably counts.
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When was this? He had no part in her falling in love with Sayaka. And after Sayaka witched, Kyuubey said that saving a witch had never once happened that he knew of, although he noted that who the fuck knows how magic works. He advised against trying to save Sayaka after she witched.
 
Aranfan said:
When was this? He had no part in her falling in love with Sayaka. And after Sayaka witched, Kyuubey said that saving a witch had never once happened that he knew of, although he noted that who the fuck knows how magic works. He advised against trying to save Sayaka after she witched.
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With an attitude like that, I'd advise against trusting Kyuubey. "You should definitely not do this even though I'm not completely sure that it won't work" is a kind of manipulation.
 
Hello guys, how it's-
Ooookay, i will just turn around, go away and pretend i didn't see the massive shitstorm that you started here...
Come on, guys, stop, i can't imagine what consequences this can have.
 
Aranfan said:
When was this? He had no part in her falling in love with Sayaka. And after Sayaka witched, Kyuubey said that saving a witch had never once happened that he knew of, although he noted that who the fuck knows how magic works. He advised against trying to save Sayaka after she witched.
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Either you really did forget what the hell happened in the show, or you're so exceptionally bad at reading subtext that it's surprising that you can function on a day-to-day basis.

Yeah, just fucking stop.
 
Aranfan said:
When was this? He had no part in her falling in love with Sayaka. And after Sayaka witched, Kyuubey said that saving a witch had never once happened that he knew of, although he noted that who the fuck knows how magic works. He advised against trying to save Sayaka after she witched.
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Kyubey to Kyouko: "Oh, I never heard about anything like that working, but hey, magical girls work miracles all the time!"
Kyubey to Homura: "It was obviously impossible, but her dying served my goals nicely."

THAT IS IN THE EPISODE. HE SAYS THAT.
 
FLLLLLLLAME WAAAARSSS!


But seriously, dudes, chill. No need for the hostility!

Also, to distract us from the hostility, I propose SCIENCE idea number five: See if we can power electronics with grief. The incubators use grief for energy, right? Sabrina can control grief. Lightbulb, anyone? And if it seems like a bad/stupid idea, please rate on a scale of ten. Hoping to get a zero.
 
Loops said:
Ok, ok. Here's some arguments then. This is getting really silly.
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Thank you.


Loops said:
Incoming Gendo Mami.
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Probably.

Loops said:
True... He wants Sabrina to witch only as badly as any other meguca. He stays with Mami because she's a useful tool, a powerful magical girl who attracts others to become like her, while still totally in the dark about the true horror of the system. She's good cover, so he can play the stereotypical magical animal/familiar. She's lonely, so she seeks out girls to contract. And she's brittle, as a bonus. The second after she helps bring down Sayaka's witch it's murder-suicide time. Mami is not an example of incubator fair play.

He wanted Kyouko to come in and push her buttons with Sayaka's JUSTICE so she's not a good example either. And with Madoka he said outright "let me know if you're up for becoming the worst witch in the world to help me out kthksbai."
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Kyubay almost certainly had no idea Kyoko would fall in love with Sayaka. As to Mami, that was my point. Mami was useful to him, so he was helpful and cooperative. It is entirely possible for us to achieve the same sort of deal, so long as we don't piss him off.

Loops said:
He'll be exactly as helpful as he needs to be to meet his own goals, no more no less. What possible intel are you hoping for that's worth Kyubey knowing the Sabrina knows things she shouldn't? And also, how would you phrase those questions in such a way as to not reveal metaknowledge?
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Oriko is gunning for Madoka. He won't want that. If we don't piss him off he can feed us intel on what Oriko's doing/planing.

Loops said:
Homura shot Kyubey to keep Madoka from contracting. She was chill enough with coobs to hang out with him and let him ride around on her post-Madokami. She told him a story that was backed up by nothing about a girl who never existed retroactively, and coobie sealed her soul gem as a trap so that he could conduct experiments on Madoka to make energy collection more efficient.

Yes, you're not taking Rebellion as evidence. But the fact remains that the incubators pre- and post-Madokami did not change one bit. They still seek energy to prevent entropy, they still contract little girls to fight horrible monsters. The monsters changed, the system did not. The end result of the system, the witch consequence for the meguca and everything after that, was taken by Madoka's wish, but that's all. Even using just the series as evidence.

TL;DR: Coobie a shit, avoid if possible, deal with sparingly and great care if not. He is on his own side.
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A second stage of energy collection from magical girls would probably at least double the efficiency of the system as a whole. The stakes are high enough that I am utterly unsurprised Kyubey defected there. This is not a comparable situation.
 
jacobplm said:
Also, to distract us from the hostility, I propose SCIENCE idea number five: See if we can power electronics with grief. The incubators use grief for energy, right? Sabrina can control grief. Lightbulb, anyone? And if it seems like a bad/stupid idea, please rate on a scale of ten. Hoping to get a zero.
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If this doesn't result in possessed electronics, I will buy a hat and then eat my hat.
 
Torgamous said:
If this doesn't result in possessed electronics, I will buy a hat and then eat my hat.
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So, best plan ever, or 'best' plan ever? And Ugo, you realize that arguing with him is pointless? I mean, past few pages are pretty good indication of that.


Seriously, this is a quest. Its meant to be fun/challenging, and create a good story. Arguing with one another because ONE GUY is being a heel seems a little counterproductive.
 
Aranfan said:
Poke?
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Please respond to this:
Choo Choo said:
Kyubey to Kyouko: "Oh, I never heard about anything like that working, but hey, magical girls work miracles all the time!"
Kyubey to Homura: "It was obviously impossible, but her dying served my goals nicely."

THAT IS IN THE EPISODE. HE SAYS THAT.
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And try to claim that Kyubey didn't manipulate Kyouko at all, or have anything to do with her death, and that he's just misunderstood.
 
Torgamous said:
That seems like a bad idea considering Madoka's potential. Could you spoil the plot in more detail, please?
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Kyubey contracted with Oriko. Oriko turned on the FUTURE-GOGGLES, went completely batshit, and seemingly agreed on the spot to help Kyubey with his plans. Kyubey does the poker face.

Cue events of the Oriko series and her manipulating everyone to clear out all the magical girls in the area via Kirika, leading up to an endgame where Mami, Kyouko, Yuma, and Homura are all trapped in a intentionally-triggered Witch barrier after Kirika lost to Mami, Madoka's in the same deathtrap, and Oriko tries to kill off everyone and anyone who'd get in the way of her murdering Madoka.

Note that Kyubey played dumb about things every single time he was asked about the killer and that Oriko was trying to stop him from finding about (world-ending potential) Madoka the whole time she was setting things up for "Operation Kill Madoka". Oriko tries to kill Homura first, fails, and kills Madoka out of spite/because she sees the timeline's still doomed.

He casually revealed he was aware of Oriko's true goals all along and was playing along to find out what her game was. He mentioned he'd become aware of Madoka's potential, with the implication that he intended to get her to contract after Oriko'd been dealt with.

http://www.mangareader.net/mahou-shoujo-oriko-magica/6/31

jacobplm said:
So, best plan ever, or 'best' plan ever? And Ugo, you realize that arguing with him is pointless? I mean, past few pages are pretty good indication of that.
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I like to argue for fun sometimes. :D
 
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Ugolino said:
Kyubey contracted He casually revealed he was aware of Oriko's true goals all along and was playing along to find out what her game was. He mentioned he'd become aware of Madoka's potential, with the implication that he intended to get her to contract after Oriko'd been dealt with.
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If he knew her true goals the whole time, what about her game needed finding out? I'm not seeing any indication that he knew what she was doing in the comic you linked, let alone a reason that he played along anyway.
 
Torgamous said:
If he knew her true goals the whole time, what about her game needed finding out? I'm not seeing any indication that he knew what she was doing in the comic you linked, let alone a reason that he played along anyway.
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...That should be "She had her own agenda"- my bad. I'll check, but I think it's more or less accurate.
 
Good morning, what's happening in her-

Ah.

*muffled laughter*

Calling the vote in about an hour and a half.

Lilithium said:
Huh. What about any of mine?
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I didn't spend that much time fleshing out your votes when I saw that they didn't really pick up traction.

But hmmm. The sorceress one would have been the most interesting one, I think. You'd've been able to turn Witches back into the puella magi, with all that that entails, horrible trauma and all. Important thing is, though, they'd have had no Grief requirement after that.

There'd also be existential questions, along the lines of "Am I really Mami, or just Candeloro thinking that she's Mami?" and other fun things like that.
 
Firnagzen said:
Good morning, what's happening in her-

Ah.

*muffled laughter*

Calling the vote in about an hour and a half.


I didn't spend that much time fleshing out your votes when I saw that they didn't really pick up traction.

But hmmm. The sorceress one would have been the most interesting one, I think. You'd've been able to turn Witches back into the puella magi, with all that that entails, horrible trauma and all. Important thing is, though, they'd have had no Grief requirement after that.

There'd also be existential questions, along the lines of "Am I really Mami, or just Candeloro thinking that she's Mami?" and other fun things like that.
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Please tell me Sabrina's going to mentally question if Kyubey really can be as evil as the memories are telling her. :D
 
I don't really think that Kyuubey can fall into a human definition of evil. I mean he doesn't do anything for emotional reasons. Everything he does is for the maximum utility to his species, and the goal of pushing back entropy.

I don't think you can really qualify that as evil, regardless of how bad it turns out for humans. It's more a case of blue and orange morality. His morality simply doesn't fit into standard human thinking.
 
inverted_helix said:
I don't really think that Kyuubey can fall into a human definition of evil. I mean he doesn't do anything for emotional reasons. Everything he does is for the maximum utility to his species, and the goal of pushing back entropy.

I don't think you can really qualify that as evil, regardless of how bad it turns out for humans. It's more a case of blue and orange morality. His morality simply doesn't fit into standard human thinking.
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He damns the souls of young children. That's pretty classic evil right there, friend.
 
Choo Choo said:
What about the "I wish to live" one?
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Complete and total indestructibility, I think. As in 'will live to see the end of Time itself' indestructibility.

Ugolino said:
Please tell me Sabrina's going to mentally question if Kyubey really can be as evil as the memories are telling her. :D
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Sabrina is going to mentally question if Kyuubey really can be as evil as the memories are telling her. I may or may not be lying.

Ugolino said:
I wish to be able to make a happier ending! I wish to change the way this'll end!
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Interesting. I think I'd actually give you something very similar to the 'I wish to fix everything' Wish; it's the same intent behind the Wish, you see.

Keep in mind that for most of these alternate Wishes, I haven't applied as much thought to as I did the one that won, so details may be a little sketchy. The overall idea's there, though.
 
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