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[x] Write-in
- [x] Hunting time
-[x]We'll follow Mami-senpai's lead and try not to mess up.
-[x]Ask Sayaka and Madoka what they're planning to do.
-[x]We've got no idea what we're doing, and Mami knows her stuff, but...is it really safe for this many people to go Witch-hunting? Wouldn't...it see us coming or something?
--[x]We don't want to be a distraction that'd get them hurt.
--[x]Try and keep calm. Don't panic over the incoming Witch fight or the revelations.


Last line's a bit redundant but eh...
 
Aranfan said:
Since someone nuked Japan, and North Korea or China are the most likely culprits, things are going to get very bad in East Asia.
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People who saw the blast, from a non-blinding distance, would think it was a nuke but that would be about it. Every nuclear scientist would flip their lid as the gamma detectors in orbit pick up a massive burst of rays including ones with exactly 511 KeV of energy, the telltale sign of an antimatter reaction.

So in short there would be global panic and chaos in a couple hours when the news that someone, somehow, managed to detonate an anti-matter bomb in Japan.

Also the update is slightly incorrect. While the amount of dangerous energy can range from anywhere from 44% to 100% of the total energy, so 50% is plausible, it will normally be over 70%.

A kilo of Antimatter (AM for short) annihilating with the air produces ~43MT of energy or in a more useful form 180 Petajoules.

Now 2/5 of that is converted to gamma rays almost immediately. The remaining 3/5s are charged pions. Now based upon some prior research I did years back about half the pions are absorbed into the atmosphere and the other half decay into a 50-50 split between muons and neutrinos.

So now we have 8/20 as gamma rays, 6/20 absorbed into the atmosphere 3/20 as muons and 3/20 as neutrinos.

Those muons decay into more neutrinos, electrons and positrons. Now 2/3 of those muons will decay into neutrinos while from what I understand the rest will break into electron/position pairs.

The energy breakdown now is:
16/40 = Gamma Ray
12/40 = Absorbed
10/40 = Neutrinos
1/40 = Electrons
1/40 = Positrons

Those positrons will of course react with annihilate to produce more gamma rays. For convenience sake I'll assume those electrons and positrons annihilate with each other. For a final energy break down of:

6/20 = Absorbed by the atmopshere
5/20 = Neutrinos
9/20 = Gamma Rays

Now the energy of those neutrinos are lost, the energy absorbed into the air is used to create the heat and blast wave and the gamma rays are deadly radiation flying every which way.

Now assuming that the energy absorbed into the atmosphere acts similar to that absorbed into the atmosphere during a nuclear blast we'd be looking at a a blast equvilant to that of a 16MT nuke, since only 80% of the nuke's energy is absorbed, which gives us the following:

Fireball radius = 3.81km
20psi Blast Wave radius = 5.48km
5psi Blast Wave radius = 12.8km
Thermal Radiation radius = 35km

For reference everything in the Fireball is gone, everyone in the 20PSI radius is dead and everything is flattened, almost everyone in the 5psi radius is dead and most residential buildings have collapsed, everyone in the thermal radius has third degree burns on all exposed skin.

The 4.8 Sieverts of radiation is the LD50 with medicare care. a Sievert is defined as one joules of radiation per kilogram. With 81 Petajoules of gamma radiation and assuming an average mass of 75kg the radius of 4.8 Sieverts, ignoring attenuation by the atmosphere, is 60 kilometers.

Now normally it wouldn't get anywhere near that far since atmospheric attenuation rapidly cuts down the energy within the first couple kilometers however the little I could find it appears that the higher energy gamma rays travel further in the atmosphere before decaying and these are (for the most part) really high energy gamma rays.

Scaled to a nuclear blast gives round 8.5km of radius so the lethal range for radiation is somewhere between 8.5km and 60km. Lets be conservative and say 10km.

So in short for that blast everything in 3.8km is gone, everything within 5.5km is flattened, everyone within 10km is dead and thanks to the thermal effects there are people seriously to fatally injured over 30km away.

Torgamous said:
If you can't trust something that never lies, you don't know how to ask questions.
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It's funny how everyone seems to assume that QB can't lie. We don't actually know that. All we know is that QB tells people he can't lie and that Homura hasn't caught him in a lie yet.

Neither of which even comes close to proof considering we're talking about a master manipulator who has been feeding off humanity for literally millions of years and Homura is still mentally an 11 year old girl, because reliving the same month for a hundred years isn't at all the same as living for a hundred years, with zero social skills.

QB is, from what I remember, careful to only tell people truths that are easy to verify (such as PM needing to keep their SGs close) or impractical to verify (such as him fighting entropy). The former combined with his claims of been unable to lie make it much easier for people to buy the latter.

In reality we have no real proof that the Incubators are fighting entropy and not eating the girls souls, waiting for them to turn into grief filled witches because they taste better.

Now the Post Madokami world does suggest they aren't actually eating souls, since the Inucbators are fine with Grief Seeds, but that still doesn't tell us anything other then them having some use for large quantities of grief.

My point however is that we shouldn't trust that QB is telling the truth just because he tells us his is.

Sorry to single you out but it was just a short quote that I felt fits best.


[x] Write-in
- [x] Hunting time
-[x]We'll follow Mami-senpai's lead and try not to mess up.
-[x]Ask Sayaka and Madoka what they're planning to do.
-[x]We've got no idea what we're doing, and Mami knows her stuff, but...is it really safe for this many people to go Witch-hunting? Wouldn't...it see us coming or something?
--[x]We don't want to be a distraction that'd get them hurt.
--[x]Try and keep calm. Don't panic over the incoming Witch fight or the revelations.
 
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The fact that people could detect that it was an antimatter bomb would make the worldwide panic even more severe. That would mean that someone had found a way to generate enough antimatter to weaponize. Though I suppose it essentially doesn't make things all that much worse than terrorists with fusion bombs.
 
UberJJK said:
People who saw the blast, from a non-blinding distance, would think it was a nuke but that would be about it. Every nuclear scientist would flip their lid as the gamma detectors in orbit pick up a massive burst of rays including ones with exactly 511 KeV of energy, the telltale sign of an antimatter reaction.

So in short there would be global panic and chaos in a couple hours when the news that someone, somehow, managed to detonate an anti-matter bomb in Japan.

Also the update is slightly incorrect. While the amount of dangerous energy can range from anywhere from 44% to 100% of the total energy, so 50% is plausible, it will normally be over 70%.

A kilo of Antimatter (AM for short) annihilating with the air produces ~43MT of energy or in a more useful form 180 Petajoules.

Now 2/5 of that is converted to gamma rays almost immediately. The remaining 3/5s are charged pions. Now based upon some prior research I did years back about half the pions are absorbed into the atmosphere and the other half decay into a 50-50 split between muons and neutrinos.

So now we have 8/20 as gamma rays, 6/20 absorbed into the atmosphere 3/20 as muons and 3/20 as neutrinos.

Those muons decay into more neutrinos, electrons and positrons. Now 2/3 of those muons will decay into neutrinos while from what I understand the rest will break into electron/position pairs.

The energy breakdown now is:
16/40 = Gamma Ray
12/40 = Absorbed
10/40 = Neutrinos
1/40 = Electrons
1/40 = Positrons

Those positrons will of course react with annihilate to produce more gamma rays. For continence sake I'll assume those electrons and positrons annihilate with each other. For a final energy break down of:

6/20 = Absorbed by the atmopshere
5/20 = Neutrinos
9/20 = Gamma Rays

Now the energy of those neutrinos are lost, the energy absorbed into the air is used to create the heat and blast wave and the gamma rays are deadly radiation flying every which way.

Now assuming that the energy absorbed into the atmosphere acts similar to that absorbed into the atmosphere during a nuclear blast we'd be looking at a a blast equvilant to that of a 16MT nuke, since only 80% of the nuke's energy is absorbed, which gives us the following:

Fireball radius = 3.81km
20psi Blast Wave radius = 5.48km
5psi Blast Wave radius = 12.8km
Thermal Radiation radius = 35km

For reference everything in the Fireball is gone, everyone in the 20PSI radius is dead and everything is flattened, almost everyone in the 5psi radius is dead and most residential buildings have collapsed, everyone in the thermal radius has third degree burns on all exposed skin.

The 4.8 Sieverts of radiation is the LD50 with medicare care. a Sievert is defined as one joules of radiation per kilogram. With 81 Petajoules of gamma radiation and assuming an average mass of 75kg the radius of 4.8 Sieverts, ignoring attenuation by the atmosphere, is 60 kilometers.

Now normally it wouldn't get anywhere near that far since atmospheric attenuation rapidly cuts down the energy within the first couple kilometers however the little I could find it appears that the higher energy gamma rays travel further in the atmosphere before decaying and these are (for the most part) really high energy gamma rays.

Scaled to a nuclear blast gives round 8.5km of radius so the lethal range for radiation is somewhere between 8.5km and 60km. Lets be conservative and say 10km.

So in short for that blast everything in 3.8km is gone, everything within 5.5km is flattened, everyone within 10km is dead and thanks to the thermal effects there are people seriously to fatally injured over 30km away.



It's funny how everyone seems to assume that QB can't lie. We don't actually know that. All we know is that QB tells people he can't lie and that Homura hasn't caught him in a lie yet.

Neither of which even comes close to proof considering we're talking about a master manipulator who has been feeding off humanity for literally millions of years and Homura is still mentally an 11 year old girl, because reliving the same month for a hundred years isn't at all the same as living for a hundred years, with zero social skills.

QB is, from what I remember, careful to only tell people truths that are easy to verify (such as PM needing to keep their SGs close) or impractical to verify (such as him fighting entropy). The former combined with his claims of been unable to lie make it much easier for people to buy the latter.

In reality we have no real proof that the Incubators are fighting entropy and not eating the girls souls, waiting for them to turn into grief filled witches because they taste better.

Now the Post Madokami world does suggest they aren't actually eating souls, since the Inucbators are fine with Grief Seeds, but that still doesn't tell us anything other then them having some use for large quantities of grief.

My point however is that we shouldn't trust that QB is telling the truth just because he tells us his is.

Sorry to single you out but it was just a short quote that I felt fits best.


[x] Write-in
- [x] Hunting time
-[x]We'll follow Mami-senpai's lead and try not to mess up.
-[x]Ask Sayaka and Madoka what they're planning to do.
-[x]We've got no idea what we're doing, and Mami knows her stuff, but...is it really safe for this many people to go Witch-hunting? Wouldn't...it see us coming or something?
--[x]We don't want to be a distraction that'd get them hurt.
--[x]Try and keep calm. Don't panic over the incoming Witch fight or the revelations.
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IN THIS THREAD SOMEONE FINALLY POINTS OUT THE FUCKING OBVIOUS

Aka QB could be lying about the whole fucking thing from the get go.
 
[x] Write-in
- [x] Hunting time
-[x]We'll follow Mami-senpai's lead and try not to mess up.
-[x]Ask Sayaka and Madoka what they're planning to do.
-[x]We've got no idea what we're doing, and Mami knows her stuff, but...is it really safe for this many people to go Witch-hunting? Wouldn't...it see us coming or something?
--[x]We don't want to be a distraction that'd get them hurt.
--[x]Try and keep calm. Don't panic over the incoming Witch fight or the revelations.
 
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Unforeseen Consequences pt. 16
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    • "Maybe another time," you agree with Mami. A thought strikes you, and you grin at Mami. So far, you've been using the relatively formal 'Mami-san'... "I'll follow your lead, Mami-senpai."

    The blonde beams at you in response, looking slightly giddy. "I won't let you down! We'll have an excellent hunt today, I'm sure of it!"

    Madoka and Sayaka also stand, and seem to be about to follow you on the hunt. "Say, Mami?" you begin carefully. "I'm sure you know what you're doing, but I'm new at this business... is it really safe for Madoka and Sayaka to come on the hunt with us? I'm worried that they might get hurt."

    Sayaka claps a hand against her forehead. "Oh, right! I nearly forgot!" She reaches for her bag and hauls out the handle that's been sticking out, revealing a softball bat. "Ta-dah! It's not much, but I can protect myself! And Madoka!" The bluenette claps the arm not brandishing the bat around Madoka's shoulders.

    Mami laughs, clear as a bell. "Ah, it'll be fine! I've been doing this for a long time, and I'm sure you'll do well, Sabrina. Now, let's go! Do you know how to sense Witches with your Soul Gem?"

    You frown, slightly. "Yes, I do know how to," you say, feeling the knowledge rise to the surface as if it's always been there. But at the same time... "I... I can sense the Witch using my magic, too, I think? It's not within my range at the moment, though."

    "Well, that works too," Mami says. "Now if I remember correctly, I believe the Witch was somewhere over in that direction..." The blonde leads the way through the old industrial district, holding her Soul Gem in the palm of her hand. As she walks, she hums cheerfully to herself, and there's a spring in her step you'd swear wasn't there earlier.

    You sense the Witch first, and nudge Mami. "I can feel the Witch, it's over there. That building, I think?" You point out the slightly dilapidated building. Mami nods. "Let's check it out, then."

    As the four of you carefully pick your way there, meandering around the run down old buildings, the wind picks up slightly. There are some vines growing along the bottom of the building, you observe, and there're stacks of carefully wrapped glass and other building materials stacked neatly nearby.

    Mami suddenly hisses out a breath, and turns to the three of you. "Let's go around the back of the building." You glance at Madoka and Sayaka, slightly confused, but the three of you acquiesce easily.
    There's a bloodstained patch on the ground.
    You soon locate the glowing tear in reality that marks the entrance to the Witch's barrier at the top of a flight of stairs. Mami smiles reassuringly at you, and says, "Just follow my lead, OK?" before transforming in a blaze of golden light and boldly stepping into the barrier. You follow her in.

    The transition disorients you for a moment, befor-

    you are surrounded by Grief​

    drowning but not​

    distant giggling in the abyss

    You instinctively tear at the disorienting, unreal landscape around you. Bright, nauseating colours bleed and shred into bilious clouds of Grief that form behind you into two tenebrous, coiling wings that shift and warp. Subconsciously, you avoid the two shades of Grief that are behind you, just as you avoid the blaze of magic that's not so far ahead. Only when you've cleared your immediate area do you stop, gasping erratically for breath, hunched over with your hands on your knees.

    "-abrina! Sabrina?"

    The area immediately around you has greyed out, becoming an almost normal concrete floor. Standing beside you, half supporting you with one arm around you, is Mami. Slightly further away are Madoka and Sayaka, Madoka with her mouth half open from calling your name. Sayaka's got her bat half raised between you.

    "Y-yeah," you say shakily, before straightening up. "Yeah, I'm fine. I wasn't expecting... this, thisness." You glance backwards at the two arcing, roiling wings of Grief behind you that remind you of a certain time traveller's. "I... wasn't expecting that, either."

    "I'm ok," you say, when Mami still seems worried, hovering near you. "Really, I am."

    "Alright, Sabrina. Shall we press on?" Mami says, tentative smile returning to her face.
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    A Barrier is literally made of Grief, and y'know, Sabrina can sense the Grief on a fundamental level. She'll do better the next time, this was mostly the simple shock of oh gods Grief everywhere.
     
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    • UberJJK said:
    Also the update is slightly incorrect. While the amount of dangerous energy can range from anywhere from 44% to 100% of the total energy, so 50% is plausible, it will normally be over 70%.
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    Hmm. I'll admit I forgot to consider muon decay, and the other thing is, where did you get the 80% figure for gamma ray to thermal bloom conversion? I have this lingering impression that it was supposed to be quite low; about 40%, though I have to say that now that I think about it, I'm not sure why I have that impression.
     
    Firnagzen said:
    As the five four of you carefully pick your way there, winding through the run down old buildings, the wind picks up slightly. There are some vines growing along the bottom of the building, you observe, and there's stacks of carefully wrapped glass and other building materials stacked neatly nearby.
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    Typo? Or is someone with an invisibility/unnoticeable power with us?
     
    ...welp. Bit too late to save that lady...sorry anonymous lady. :/ And Sabrina has grief wings now? That's...hmmm.

    [x] Press on. Cautiously. Cover Mami as she does veteran Meguca things.
    -[x]If familiars get in melee range, hammer them. Try and manipulate their grief to break them apart, or that of objects in the barrier if you get the chance, but don't try anything too fancy.
     
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    [x] Press on. Cautiously. Cover Mami as she does veteran Meguca things.

    Hmm.... I wonder if we could use these things to fly? Less as actual wings/constant flight though (as that would likely be expensive as all hell), but more like control surfaces/jump jets/a booster pack fueled by tearing grief out of the surrounding barrier and then just blasting it behind us for quick bursts of propulsion or directed movement?
     
    [x] Press on. Cautiously. Cover Mami as she does veteran Meguca things.

    Wait, why don't we try destroying ALL of the grief?
     
    Firnagzen said:
    Hmm. I'll admit I forgot to consider muon decay, and the other thing is, where did you get the 80% figure for gamma ray to thermal bloom conversion? I have this lingering impression that it was supposed to be quite low; about 40%, though I have to say that now that I think about it, I'm not sure why I have that impression.
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    Just to be clear what I was doing there was saying is that in a given nuclear blast 80% of the energy goes to the blast and so I was taking the IIRC ~12MT of blast energy and extrapolating the nuclear yield required to create an equvilant blast, ~16MT.

    I based this on the breakdown of a nuclear blast on Project Rho where 80% of the energy is in the form of soft x-rays which are (effectively) instantly absorbed by the atmosphere. The remaining 20% is evenly split between the gamma radiation and neutron radiation.

    While admittedly some of the radiation, both gamma and neutron, is absorbed I couldn't find a reliable figure to work with while I was write up that post so I just ignored them. Of course now I find one which has 85% of the neutron and gamma radiation been absorbed by the bomb casing leaving only 3% of the initial energy in the form of gamma rays and electrons. So those blast figures should be scaled down to the equivalent of a 13MT bomb the difference is minor (~.3km on the first three figures and no change to the thermal range).
     
    UberJJK said:
    Just to be clear what I was doing there was saying is that in a given nuclear blast 80% of the energy goes to the blast and so I was taking the IIRC ~12MT of blast energy and extrapolating the nuclear yield required to create an equvilant blast, ~16MT.

    I based this on the breakdown of a nuclear blast on Project Rho where 80% of the energy is in the form of soft x-rays which are (effectively) instantly absorbed by the atmosphere. The remaining 20% is evenly split between the gamma radiation and neutron radiation.

    While admittedly some of the radiation, both gamma and neutron, is absorbed I couldn't find a reliable figure to work with while I was write up that post so I just ignored them. Of course now I find one which has 85% of the neutron and gamma radiation been absorbed by the bomb casing leaving only 3% of the initial energy in the form of gamma rays and electrons. So those blast figures should be scaled down to the equivalent of a 13MT bomb the difference is minor (~.3km on the first three figures and no change to the thermal range).
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    Yeah, I get that much, though I was wondering where you'd gotten the figure from. And of course, Project Rho. Should've remembered it in the first place.
     
    Called it. Bye bye suicidal lady. :(

    [x] Press on. Cautiously. Cover Mami as she does veteran Meguca things.
    -[x]If familiars get in melee range, hammer them. Try and manipulate their grief to break them apart, or that of objects in the barrier if you get the chance, but don't try anything too fancy.

    Lord K said:
    Hmm.... I wonder if we could use these things to fly? Less as actual wings/constant flight though (as that would likely be expensive as all hell), but more like control surfaces/jump jets/a booster pack fueled by tearing grief out of the surrounding barrier and then just blasting it behind us for quick bursts of propulsion or directed movement?
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    ...I think we're already broken to the point where that's unnecessary- semi-flight/gliding seems to be a default meguca power, presumably limited by grief expenditure, and with Sabrina's power meaning there isn't a real grief limitation...
     
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    [x] Press on. Cautiously. Cover Mami as she does veteran Meguca things.
    -[x]If familiars get in melee range, hammer them. Try and manipulate their grief to break them apart, or that of objects in the barrier if you get the chance, but don't try anything too fancy.
     
    [x] Press on. Cautiously. Cover Mami as she does veteran Meguca things.
    -[x]If familiars get in melee range, hammer them. Try and manipulate their grief to break them apart, or that of objects in the barrier if you get the chance, but don't try anything too fancy.
     
    [x] Press on. Cautiously. Cover Mami as she does veteran Meguca things.
    -[x]If familiars get in melee range, hammer them. Try and manipulate their grief to break them apart, or that of objects in the barrier if you get the chance, but don't try anything too fancy.


    Okay, my NEXT bad idea can be summed up thusly:

    We try to bring someone back from the dead by stuffing their body with grief energy. Best case scenario? Crazy evil grief zombie. Most likely scenario? An exploding corpse. Worst case scenario? Night of the Living Magical Girl.
     
    [x] Press on. Cautiously. Cover Mami as she does veteran Meguca things.
    -[x]If familiars get in melee range, hammer them. Try and manipulate their grief to break them apart, or that of objects in the barrier if you get the chance, but don't try anything too fancy.
     
    jacobplm said:
    Okay, my NEXT bad idea can be summed up thusly:

    We try to bring someone back from the dead by stuffing their body with grief energy. Best case scenario? Crazy evil grief zombie. Most likely scenario? An exploding corpse. Worst case scenario? Night of the Living Magical Girl.
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    Not only no, but HELL NO!

    Why would you do that in the first place?
     
    jacobplm said:
    We try to bring someone back from the dead by stuffing their body with grief energy. Best case scenario? Crazy evil grief zombie. Most likely scenario? An exploding corpse. Worst case scenario? Night of the Living Magical Girl.
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    Clearly, we should try amping up our reflexes by channeling grief directly into our CNS. Via the optic nerves, for maximum bandwidth.

    Where we're going, we don't need eyes to see.
     
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