chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
It made sense to me
Basically, it'll say to Homura that if you try hard enough, you can save anybody, even if they're apparently suicidal. That's a pretty big deal.
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Basically, it'll say to Homura that if you try hard enough, you can save anybody, even if they're apparently suicidal. That's a pretty big deal.
- Location
- South Africa
We're leaving timestop there to remind her that she can't just ignore us.
I like this, but maybe we can abbreviate what we say to her? We want it concise.
But your ignorance will kill you. You had almost died the day that we met. I'm sorry, but we're having this talk, and this won't end *gesture around timestop* until we do. I'll be waiting outside for when you're ready.
Like that?
Muramasa
Best Girl
Yeah, but how is giving her space going to help when we're leaving something up that's intentionally going to rattle her? On the other side of it, If we drop timestop, she can stonewall us which defeats the whole purpose of appearing in her room. That's why I'm not sold on leaving.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
[Q] If Ono doesn't come out, pull her outside with the grief ring.
-[Q] Accidentaly Ono's finger.
-[Q] Accidentaly Ono's finger.
- Location
- South Africa
This is her private space. She has a right to refuse to let us be here. We're giving he space because at the very least, we stop intruding, but the timestop stays so she can't just ignore us. Acquiescing to her demand will make her feel less helpless and threatened.
Muramasa
Best Girl
Alright. For now changing vote to whiskers suggestion with a bit more streamlined wording.
This vote's irritating.
noahgab1133
Fluffy?
- Location
- East of the Sun and West of the Moon
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I feel like I should point out that the person's name in the tally program is linked to the post with the vote in it.
I don't get what we're doing. Maybe someone can explain it properly?
Why do we default to harsh phrasing, giving pretend choices that aren't choices at all, or being all coy about what we need to tell her? Can we not be a bit more direct and a whole shit ton nicer in our phrasing?
Why are we even considering the possibility of violence? That's not what any reaction here indicates, whatsoever? It's frankly, irrelevant and nearly poisons our reaction.
It's like the moment the thread gets frustrated at anything, our capacity for sympathy just vanishes.
If we make the conversation a forced "choice" with time to compose herself, then we're back to where we started with her super-annoyed, doing the bare minimum to get us to go away, and unlikely to take anything we say at any value while being bitchy the whole time. It won't work and it's a recipe for a Sabrina meltdown.
Why do we default to harsh phrasing, giving pretend choices that aren't choices at all, or being all coy about what we need to tell her? Can we not be a bit more direct and a whole shit ton nicer in our phrasing?
Why are we even considering the possibility of violence? That's not what any reaction here indicates, whatsoever? It's frankly, irrelevant and nearly poisons our reaction.
It's like the moment the thread gets frustrated at anything, our capacity for sympathy just vanishes.
If we make the conversation a forced "choice" with time to compose herself, then we're back to where we started with her super-annoyed, doing the bare minimum to get us to go away, and unlikely to take anything we say at any value while being bitchy the whole time. It won't work and it's a recipe for a Sabrina meltdown.
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- spinning
In the very moment I read this,
Spoke a voice I've never heard
mongrel
And nothing more:
I felt a disapproving gaze.
Spoke a voice I've never heard
mongrel
And nothing more:
I felt a disapproving gaze.
This thread is in agreement about its lack of agreement!
Nay, it is a good thing the same way girls turning into witches is a good thing: If Kato's soul gem became Gwen, it'd mean that another girl hadn't became Gwen.
Of course, that is nearly an equal trade with Akiko's state.
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In this case I it was very much unintended and more of an unforeseen side effect. Would explain more, but sleepy.
Maybe you should just compose a vote yourself since you seem to have a lot more insight into Megane and this situation. Because I think I'm just helping dig ourselves deeper with any variation of vote that I make.
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- Location
- South Africa
We do? It doesn't look harsh to me (though I have a tendency to be overly blunt). I want to be kind to her, but I also want our words to have gravitas. For her to treat what we're saying seriously. And to avoid having her believe that we think that she's weak or that we're pitying her.
Her choices are to have the meeting here or outside and on how much time to take to compose herself. They are important choices we need to give her to stop her from feeling threatened and helpless.
The point isn't to be coy. It's to be concise. She isn't going to listen to a long speech at this point. We need to get her to accept the meeting in the first place before trying to have it.
I'd like to. I'm not sure how without compromising elsewhere, but you're normally one of the better among us at this sort of thing, so I'm open to ideas.
I'm not considering us reacting violently. I'm considering Ono reacting violently, which is what scared people do. I've reacted with violence out of fear myself. It's a normal thing we should be prepared for.
I am sympathetic. But sympathy won't save her by itself.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
[x] Muramasa
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I don't think we're as frustrated as during the last few votes. I just don't see how we can really give her options, when Ono's options seem to point towards suicide.
I could try something:
... It might be time consuming, but how about we open ourselves to the possibility this talk might not be done tonight?
[X] "You want us out?"
-[X] Assuming confirmation: "Very well." Nod for Homura and Mami to go ahead. Leave a Grief Seed with Ono and, before leaving, "but we really need to talk. Please, we'll wait for you." Leave the doors open. When you're outside, ask Homura to drop her magic.
The critical section is here:
Ono is demanding that we leave right now and her body language indicates that she might escalate to violence if we do not do so immediately. I'm not completely sold on the idea of accommodating her and letting her calm down in timestop, since (as you say), it would merely prolong things since Ono probably is not going to calm down in any reasonable amount of time, and waiting for her will probably just make us (and her) more frustrated. But it would remove the immediate risk of physical violence.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I don't think 'clenching fists' means violence. It's just a way to deal with stress.
She yelled at us, dug her back into the wall, and clenched her fists hard enough to make the muscles stand out. She's terrified and backed into the corner and it's not uncommon for people to lash out physically when they're afraid and trapped. This situation doesn't guarantee violence, sure, but my reading of the situation is that violence is definitely a possibility if we don't leave immediately or do something else to defuse the situation.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
She backed off. That's about the opposite of lashing out.
If we don't push her back further, she'll stay back.
That's what I read.
Isn't that normal though? I don't know about you but when I get agitated I have difficulty with empathy in general.