Thanks.
To be perfectly honest, as I see it, forgetting mid conversation due to other stuff coming up is a thing that happens. I leave the vote held in abeyance thing as a courtesy, a) to show people where the vote cut off and b) if anyone wants to refer back to it.
I agree with the goal, but I'm not convinced that any barrier tech will scale to the level we need. If we assume that 1 in 100,000 are meguca, based on the assumption that the Mitakihara metro area is typical and has 100 meguca and 10,000,000 people, then there are about 70,000 meguca on Earth and 1,200 in Japan. I think this is a high estimate, but pessimism is good here. I don't think we can visit 70,000 meguca in one day with barrier tech.
Having people come to us would be easier if they don't have to come all the way to Mitakihara - that's not feasible for most people. Setting up a single cleanse point in each of the top 50 population centers in the world (for instance), and jetting/teleporting to each location on a regular basis would do a ton of good (allowing us to reach about 10% of the world's population with relatively minimal effort - I'd ballpark it at two hours of supersonic travel time per day if we want to cleanse each place once a week - and the time would be reduced even further if we can figure out teleportation or space compression), but that would only be possible if we first researched fast transportation. The Barrier seems like the best bet for that.
It's less create and more pestering Homucifer(?) to give us her fingernail clippings.
Analyse our grief? With witchy grief objects, you mean? We haven't. We've only used our instincts for that.
Whatever that means.
We didn't vote for this!
Yeah, we can do other experiments in the mean time, but Barriers can afford to wait until a later date, we can still do them later though if the feathers Occurance was a one grime thing in that case.We haven't actually determined if our barrier is identical to normal witch barriers yet. It's also the closest tie to feathers we have to date. Until we can actually prove our barriers have nothing to do with feathers (and we can't. Not yet.) Then the precaution is warranted, and passing our barrier off as a normal witch barrier is just not going to sell right now.
I completely disagree. If we say we're going to stop doing the thing that's suspected of warping the timeline right now, why wouldn't it reassure Mami (who's freaked out enough after the incident) and Homura (who can't help but think of the barrier as a potential threat right now). You need a better argument then this.
That's plausible, but now the dodgy reasoning has moved elsewhere: if it's about us and not about barriers in general, why would barrier magic be more helpful to Feathers than other magic? You do have an argument here, but I can't see it as more than wild speculation.
If someone were proposing some way of testing whether our barrier is different, maybe using that to look for Feathers and surprise her ahead of time, I'd be all for it. No one is. We're proposing promising to Mami that we will not test it again, probably for literally years given the speed at which the quest moves.
Can we be absolutely certain our barriers have nothing to do with it? No, we can't. But we do know that a significant connection is ridiculously implausible. Barrier creation has proven insanely powerful just in the one brief test we've already tried. With a power like this, we can save people. Many people. The onus is not on me to absolutely disprove your shadowrun; as you said, no one can. It's on you to prove that your shadowrun is so plausible that we need to stop trying to save people in order to placate it.
Both Homura and Mami are worried about bigger, broader problems than this. They're not spooked by Feathers specifically -- they're worried we'll get ourself killed, or get Madoka killed. This is a long, broad pattern of behavior, and one promise won't erase that whole pattern. Sure, maybe we won't die this way if we keep our promise, but we've proven many times over our resourcefulness in finding new ways to put our life in danger.
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And now Homura's probably debating the merits of killing Sabrina. Fantastic.
The problem with this promise is that it says that we won't make any Barriers until we can prove that they have nothing to do with "Feathers". Which is something that will be extremely difficult to do without experimenting with the Barriers. It's a Catch-22 that effectively means swearing off all Barrier research until we conclusively determine (from other sources) that the Barrier doesn't have anything to do with "Feathers". Which probably means that we can't make any Barriers until after we defeat "Feathers".
It is my first and only post regarding the issue.
