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If the Feathers thing wasn't an issue, I would disagree that barriers aren't practical or not worth it. I would agree, however, they turned out to be a whole heck of a lot less useful than we were hoping for.

Remember that multi-entrance (thus wormhole possibilities) and indirect teleportation were implied to not really be possible, depriving a huge swath of uses we were hoping for it. It's pretty much just a glorified "portable room" at this point; potentially quite useful but not "earth shattering". Not worth risking Feathers over for sure.
 
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techsy730 said:
If the Feathers thing wasn't an issue, I would disagree that barriers aren't practical or not worth it. I would agree, however, they turned out to be a whole heck of a lot less useful than we were hoping for.

Remember that multi-entrance (thus wormhole possibilities) and indirect teleportation were implied to be not really possible, depriving a huge swath of uses we were hoping for it. It's pretty much just a glorified "portable room" at this point; potentially useful but not "earth shattering". Not worth risking Feathers over for sure.
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Hammerspace would be cool... if it didn't ping all the Witch Radars around us. Specially Mami's.
 
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So Barriers are now in the same "NEVER TOUCH AGAIN EVAR!" as the "lets see if we can't cure the witch's mind starting with the familiars" huh?

We'll never save the MG if we keep "FEARRUNNEVERDOTHINGTHATMAYHELP" with all our grief science because of what we see as a misstep.
 
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Omegastar said:
So Barriers are now in the same "NEVER TOUCH AGAIN EVAR!" as the "lets see if we can't cure the witch's mind starting with the familiars" huh?

We'll never save the MG if we keep "FEARRUNNEVERDOTHINGTHATMAYHELP" with all our grief science because of what we see as a misstep.
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It kind of is that way, but I see little use for a barrier at this point, but grief science is still a viable option, and one that I know will help us throughout this quest if proprely used.
 
Onmur said:
Hammerspace would be cool... if it didn't ping all the Witch Barriers around us. Specially Mami's.
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I was hoping we could do something about that but yeah, with it on hold, it's not really a priority.

techsy730 said:
If the Feathers thing wasn't an issue, I would disagree that barriers aren't practical or not worth it. I would agree, however, they turned out to be a whole heck of a lot less useful than we were hoping for.

Remember that multi-entrance (thus wormhole possibilities) and indirect teleportation were implied to be not really possible, depriving a huge swath of uses we were hoping for it. It's pretty much just a glorified "portable room" at this point; potentially useful but not "earth shattering". Not worth risking Feathers over for sure.
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I would've loved a warp hub. :(

Setting up our warp hub to auto cleanse girls would've been a massive help.

Alternatively flight conducted within our barrier would quite possibly be our fastest and safest method of travel (reliance on Sakura has... issues), which... well makes it easier for us to avert stuff, allows us to conduct our cleansing circuit faster which means we could cover more magical girls. Admittedly this is redundant if we get alternative methods of cleansing going but for now...
 
So, points for our response:

1. Almost surely not us
-does not "feel" like our powers
-not our style (since when have we been that subtle?)
-no motivation
2. Holding off on barrier tech until at least the deal with this incident and Feathers is clearer, too much risk while those are unanswered.


[q] "Probably not me; not my style. If I were trying to take out someone, I would just wack them with my hammer or sic a radioactive attack nyan cat on them or something."
 
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Omegastar said:
So Barriers are now in the same "NEVER TOUCH AGAIN EVAR!" as the "lets see if we can't cure the witch's mind starting with the familiars" huh?

We'll never save the MG if we keep "FEARRUNNEVERDOTHINGTHATMAYHELP" with all our grief science because of what we see as a misstep.
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We're not stopping. There's just things that only give bad results (mind battles against Witches), and things that might just be too dangerous (Barrier).

We can still do other things. Like trying the path of: Enchantment -> Infusing magic into grief objects -> have grief stuff last outside our range -> make us of this (grief absorbing 'familiars'?)

We also can do quite a bit with our current abilities if we network properly. Sakura's unreliable, yes, but very useful if she helps us. And there's bound to be other teleporters around. In fact, the more we can reach to other megucas, the more we could get access to useful magicks, and increase our own possibilities. Maybe some other meguca can make our grief stuff last outside our range, maybe another meguca can set up a teleportation hub for easy cleansing, etc.

And we can also simply practice our common skills. Sabrina's information-based abilities are nice, but her reaction times need a lot of improvement if we want to take on Feathers, Walpurgisnacht and who knows what else.

Muramasa said:
Alternatively flight conducted within our barrier would quite possibly be our fastest and safest method of travel (reliance on Sakura has... issues), which... well makes it easier for us to avert stuff, allows us to conduct our cleansing circuit faster which means we could cover more magical girls. Admittedly this is redundant if we get alternative methods of cleansing going but for now...
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We can still try to witch up a faster way to travel. Perhaps a ship that can travel faster than sound without creating sonicbooms and which interior is not affected by its travel speed? We haven't tested how fast we can move our grief.

And we still haven't tried portals, right? There's a lot of stuff we could try if we put our mind to it.
 
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techsy730 said:
So, points for our response:

1. Almost surely not us
-does not "feel" like our powers
-not our style (since when have we been that subtle?)
-no motivation
2. Holding off on barrier tech until at least the deal with this incident and Feathers is clearer, too much risk while those are unanswered.


[q] "Probably not me; not my style. If I were trying to take out someone, I would just wack them with my hammer or sic a radioactive attack nyan cat on them or something."
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Not sure if joking, but that sounds entirely too defensive. It's... sad that we're doubting whether our friends and allies are doubting us, but we should be confident that they'll trust us to not turn on them.
 
Onmur said:
We're not stopping. There's just things that only give bad results (mind battles against Witches), and things that might just be too dangerous (Barrier).

We can still do other things. Like trying the path of: Enchantment -> Infusing magic into grief objects -> have grief stuff last outside our range -> make us of this (grief absorbing 'familiars'?)

We also can do quite a bit with our current abilities if we network properly. Sakura's unreliable, yes, but very useful if she helps us. And there's bound to be other teleporters around. In fact, the more we can reach to other megucas, the more we could get access to useful magicks, and increase our own possibilities. Maybe some other meguca can make our grief stuff last outside our range, maybe another meguca can set up a teleportation hub for easy cleansing, etc.

And we can also simply practice our common skills. Sabrina's information-based abilities are nice, but her reaction times need a lot of improvement if we want to take on Feathers, Walpurgisnacht and who knows what else.


We can still try to witch up a faster way to travel. Perhaps a ship that can travel faster than sound without creating sonicbooms and which interior is not affected by its travel speed? We haven't tested how fast we can move our grief.

And we still haven't tried portals, right? There's a lot of stuff we couuld try if we put our mind to it.
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The problem with going fast is the risk of running into something with no time to react. If we could I rather find a means to rig warping/teleportation. Something like that.
 
As fun it is talking about future "SCIENCE" experiments and projects are, mind if I steer the conversation towards things that we have left hanging for a LONG time that may very well bite us in the butt if left un dealt with?

What is Madoka feeling about all this?
What's going to happen as word of the "crazy magical girl that can cleanse soul gems" gets around? How do we deal with the influx of Meguca seeking us out for that?
How can we help Mami get better beyond "being there for her"?
How can we help Homura get better?
Why does Oriko think she will die?
What about after Walpurgis Night, what to do then?
What about Walpurgis Night herself?

I feel like we are getting WAY too distracted by unimportant natter, and forgetting some very important things, some of which could very well "blow up" in our faces pretty soon here if left ignored.
 
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Muramasa said:
The problem with going fast is the risk of running into something with no time to react. If we could I rather find a means to rig warping/teleportation. Something like that.
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I guess it would be too much to ask for our witchy ship to somehow not harm things it impacts? Or rather, stop exactly before colliding with something? How about something like HP's Knight Bus? If we manage space distortion/time dilation, we could maybe just dodge everything.

...I know our powers extend only 100m, but could we create sensors that'd map out a path outside that range? The mapper(?) would exist inside our range, but it would still be able to receive light from farther than that, so could we move high above cloud level, check how far we can move without hitting anything, move there ludicrously fast, stop, back to step 1?
 
Omegastar said:
So Barriers are now in the same "NEVER TOUCH AGAIN EVAR!" as the "lets see if we can't cure the witch's mind starting with the familiars" huh?

We'll never save the MG if we keep "FEARRUNNEVERDOTHINGTHATMAYHELP" with all our grief science because of what we see as a misstep.
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My dad works for Firnagzen and I just wanna say, I'm REALLY looking forward to more Barrier science.
 
I wonder if the "Who is dreaming?" invisitext line is actually a reference to the time period when Sabrina was shaping the Barrier's contents (and not responsive to Mami's frantic calling for a half-hour straight).

It'd make sense--that's around the time the Feather appeared, and Sabrina going insensate while literally shaping her 'world' has all sorts of dreaming connotations, along with being both relevant to and related to Homulcifer's antics.

That, and the whole "this whole world is a dream...OR IS IT?! Who knows what's real anymore!" path tends to be the narrative gallows for a story if not used extremely carefully (and sparingly).
 
techsy730 said:
What is Madoka feeling about all this?
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Probably feeling useless. We still need to have a heart to heart with her. Thank her for the times she was crucial in making everybody get along? Think what if she hadn't spoken for Homura/Sabrina when we first met Homura? Mami and Sayaka really didn't want us going off to talk with her.
What's going to happen as word of the "crazy magical girl that can cleanse soul gems" gets around? How do we deal with the influx of Meguca seeking us out for that?
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Hopefully make our job easier. Likely gonna bring complications in the form of meguca groups wanting to recruit us, or worse.
How can we help Mami get better beyond "being there for her"?
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Get her more friends. Sadly, it seems we need to hurry up on some of this; hopefully we won't seem so pushy that Kyouko will tell us off when we make our move.
How can we help Homura get better?
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Homura is doing better. Remember 'I won't depend on anyone anymore'? She trusting us. Mind, she might be having doubts right this very moment and that's fucking scary, but still.

Other than that, it's pretty lucky, but our way to help Homura lines up perfectly with one of our main objectives overall, which is defeat Walpurgisnacht.
Why does Oriko think she will die?
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Yeah, still need to ask that one. IIRC, she forsees herself being dead, with Feathers blocking the way it happens.
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"I don't know!" Oriko bursts out, head finally coming up to stare at you. "I don't know. It... my visions simply stop when I try to look directly at it! If it gets to me or Kirika..." She breaks off, and shudders.
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What about after Walpurgis Night, what to do then?
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Probably develop magical skills and keep up whatever network we might have made by then, while timeskipping some of the quest? Maybe quest will end with WP?
What about Walpurgis Night herself?
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Some of us here, and Oriko, are rather confident we can take on Waluiginight. The possibility of it scaling in power with its opponents has been brough up.



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In that event we declare ourselves Queen of the Megucas, in exactly those terms.
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Empress.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
I wonder if the "Who is dreaming?" invisitext line is actually a reference to the time period when Sabrina was shaping the Barrier's contents (and not responsive to Mami's frantic calling for a half-hour straight).

It'd make sense--that's around the time the Feather appeared, and Sabrina going insensate while literally shaping her 'world' has all sorts of dreaming connotations, along with being both relevant to and related to Homulcifer's antics.

That, and the whole "this whole world is a dream...OR IS IT?! Who knows what's real anymore!" path tends to be the narrative gallows for a story if not used extremely carefully (and sparingly).
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Open questions from the last few updates:

Feather? said:
A line splits the featureless, midnight purple surface, and it parts to reveal the Feather, long pinioned and matte black.
"Who is dreaming?"
Both Mami and Homura look at the Feather uncomprehendingly. A frown etches itself onto Homura's face.
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Elsa Maria? said:
A faint whispering seems to resonate from the ground, distant and nearly inaudible.
Who are you?
Homura frowns at the ground for a moment before withdrawing an assault rifle, blocky and matte black with a shrouded barrel, from her shield.
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Firnagzen said:
[] Write-in

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Do you hear that?
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I have no idea how that could work, as this is completely experimental, let's try this small scale first to see if it could work at all, but I see no reason not to try it. We have better ways of doing this, and this would not be that useful for trying to keep as many as we can happy and health. Still funny though
 
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Also, Firn: a potential concern with regards to the quest's formatting/procedure with votes--

Holding parts of votes in abeyance because of unforeseeable complications is a fairly good practice for a number of reasons, but I worry that stuff gets lost in translation, like so:

1) SV makes a multi-part vote -->
2) Firn holds part of it in abeyance because of unforeseeable happenstance/etc -->
3) SV makes a new, shorter/more limited vote to address this new, unexpected turn of events, and keeps it much more limited in scope because they all just experienced most of their longer, broader vote get cut off and dropped without warning (a reasonable reaction to a reasonable practice, but on the whole...) -->
4) Firn enacts the latest vote, which either addresses the current matter or leads to the latest tangent expanding itself -->
5) Events continue along, with the entire chunk of the original vote that was held in abeyance being forgotten/dropped. As a result, at least some (potentially many) voters will later get blindsided by something happening that they thought had already been addressed by a preventative measure (or something) that SV had voted for previously; they don't remember (or misremember, or simply never knew) that the thing they voted for to prevent this exact situation from coming up was something that ended up being cut out and held in abeyance before being forgotten. This differs from SV simply holding off on doing something in a vote because everyone is already on the same page about X not being done, as it leaves some/perhaps many voters under the impression that matter X had already been addressed, leaving the actual issue unaddressed for a long while (until it becomes a big problem).

Not saying this is a frequent phenomenon or anything, but that it feels like it might be often/significant enough (or enough of a potential problem) to keep an eye out for it. Like moments where some big problem comes up and a bunch of voters are confused as to how it happened, saying things like "but didn't we do X a while back?" and a couple people have to go back and dig for the specific posts around the time the guessed timeframe was to figure out what happened.
 
Yeah, we can cause major problems with this, so firn, how are you going to handle this?
 
SaltyWaffles said:
, saying things like "but didn't we do X a while back?"
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To be fair, that does happen in real life, doesn't it? You want to do something, get distracted, forget you didn't do it...

Right now I'm not sure what we're doing if, after both vote lines are done, nobody brings up any other concerns. Do we go back to the previous vote and bring up our conversation about Oriko from yesterday?
 
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