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boonerunner said:
On the contrary, we don't know that Hitomi is not a potential contractee. It's something that we ought to verify one way or the other. Checking if she can see grief marbles or if we can telepathy her are two ways that I can think of. Or possibly we could make a grief device to measure potential (a visor, perhaps)?
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"Mami! What does the scouter say about her potential level?"
"Sabrina, I love you, but I'm not doing this."

Grief marbles aren't known to be invisible to normal people, so that'd be a two-step test, probably three since someone would bring up the possibility that letting a normal person know about magic makes it visible. Easier to ask Homura. I'm sure she could tell us if Hitomi can make a wish. For that matter, are we sure telepathy doesn't work with normal people? Kyuubey implied it but I don't think it ever said so outright, and it could just be blocking magic communications with people not in on magic.
 
[x]"Madoka and Sayaka came across me when I was...really sick in an alleyway. That's when I made my contract...I didn't have much choice in the matter."
[x]Let Madoka and Sayaka explain how they got involved.
 
Torgamous said:
"Mami! What does the scouter say about her potential level?"
"Sabrina, I love you, but I'm not doing this."

Grief marbles aren't known to be invisible to normal people, so that'd be a two-step test, probably three since someone would bring up the possibility that letting a normal person know about magic makes it visible. Easier to ask Homura. I'm sure she could tell us if Hitomi can make a wish. For that matter, are we sure telepathy doesn't work with normal people? Kyuubey implied it but I don't think it ever said so outright, and it could just be blocking magic communications with people not in on magic.
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...the ability to measure Karmic Weight would be very useful, though...let's not do an actual visor, though. Grief Sunglasses should do just as well...especially if they can give us a rough idea at a glance (karmic auras or something) and a precise one on demand (numeric representation).

Here, have a Frankenvote...

[x]"Madoka and Sayaka came across me when I was...really sick in an alleyway. That's when I made my contract...I didn't have much choice in the matter."
[x]Let Madoka and Sayaka explain how they got involved.
-[x]Attempt to make Karmic Measurement Sunglasses out of Witch Grief while they do so. Warn Mami and Homura via Telepathy before you do so.
[X] "Kyubey prefers to keep magic, and its downsides, a secret, but the five of us don't like keeping secrets from friends. Sorry for not telling you sooner."
[X] "Besides, although it had a very high price, magic can do incredible things. It should be possible for us to heal Kyousuke or yourself, with a little work."
 
Higure said:
-[x]Attempt to make Karmic Measurement Sunglasses out of Witch Grief while they do so. Warn Mami and Homura via Telepathy before you do so.
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Now's not the time for science. Besides that, it would also be pretty stupid if we freaked everyone out by seeing a visual representation of how powerful Madoka is and burning out our eye sockets or something.
 
Higure said:
...the ability to measure Karmic Weight would be very useful, though...let's not do an actual visor, though. Grief Sunglasses should do just as well...especially if they can give us a rough idea at a glance (karmic auras or something) and a precise one on demand (numeric representation).
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We could try and see if we can just feel potential, first.


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"Huh," you say. "Oh hey, we're almost there." You can sense Homura and Madoka and Sayaka, on the far edges of your senses.
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"Hey, everyone!" you call cheerfully as you step out of the alley, raising your hand in a wave. Mami's just a step behind you, a gentle smile on her face.

Homura, Madoka, Sayaka, and Hitomi, walking in a group. Black, pink, blue and green.
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EDIT: Notice the lack of green when we sense people magically, rather than visually.
 
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Gadjo said:
Now's not the time for science. Besides that, it would also be pretty stupid if we freaked everyone out by seeing a visual representation of how powerful Madoka is and burning out our eye sockets or something.
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...had not considered that.

[x]"Madoka and Sayaka came across me when I was...really sick in an alleyway. That's when I made my contract...I didn't have much choice in the matter."
[x]Let Madoka and Sayaka explain how they got involved.
[X] "Kyubey prefers to keep magic, and its downsides, a secret, but the five of us don't like keeping secrets from friends. Sorry for not telling you sooner."
[X] "Besides, although it had a very high price, magic can do incredible things. It should be possible for us to heal Kyousuke or yourself, with a little work."

Science can wait.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
[X] Madoka and Sayaka were approached by Kyubey - that's the thing that offers contacts - because they have the potential. That's how they became involved. We had to make sure they were informed of the downsides.
[X] Kyubey prefers to keep magic a secret, but the five of us don't like keeping secrets from friends. Sorry for not telling you sooner.
[X] Besides, although it had a very high price, magic can do incredible things. It should be possible to heal Kyouske, or yourself.


Just proposing a much simpler version of the same points. Im not too fussed on gadjo's or even Boonerunner's points and it would be fine if they went through, but there's something to be said for simpler explanations.
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Simple is good. Applying Occam's razor to the idea of voting would say that the simplest vote which satisfies all of the requirements is probably the best. So what are the requirements here?
1. Answer Hitomi's question:
1a. Blame Kyuubey for bringing in Madoka and Sayaka.
1b. We brought in Hitomi to make it easier for her friends to talk to her without hiding things.
1c. Warn Hitomi about witches (i.e. because in canon she was attacked by a witch shortly after this, probably tomorrow night. The butterfly effect is fully in place, but warning her is still a reasonable precaution).
2. Check if Hitomi has potential.
3. Make sure that Hitomi is warned about the dangers of contracting, both for her own sake (if she has potential) and so that she can advise Sayaka and Madoka.
4. Healing Hitomi and Kyousuke.

Your vote is simpler than mine, which is nice, but it does not cover warning about witches (which is important - we haven't mentioned them at all yet) or checking Hitomi's potential (which would be nice, though it's admittedly not critical), and generally doesn't give as much warning as I would like about the dangers of contracting. So, in my opinion, your vote is too simple.

On another topic, the reason I want a visor is so that it will go with our armor set:
1. Wings of Raw Grief
2. Plate Armor (under our coat)
3. Infinity Gauntlets (different gems give different abilities)
4. Helm of Mental Stability (to block mind control)
5. Visor of Detection (to see potential, links between soul gems and bodies, visual interface to the gauntlets, etc)
6. Boots of Swiftness (jet boots would go well with the wings)

Though it would make sense to wear sunglasses rather than a visor when we're in casual clothes.
 
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SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
[X] Madoka and Sayaka were approached by Kyubey - that's the thing that offers contacts - because they have the potential. That's how they became involved. We had to make sure they were informed of the downsides.
[X] Kyubey prefers to keep magic a secret, but the five of us don't like keeping secrets from friends. Sorry for not telling you sooner.
[X] Besides, although it had a very high price, magic can do incredible things. It should be possible to heal Kyouske, or yourself.


Just proposing a much simpler version of the same points. Im not too fussed on gadjo's or even Boonerunner's points and it would be fine if they went through, but there's something to be said for simpler explanations.
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That vote does a great job of whitewashing Kyubey. We're not his PR manager and that vote doesn't work at all in terms of telling her the truth.

Mami didn't melt down last vote and she isn't going to do it now, so why on earth would we want to present him and his contract-pushing in anything approaching a positive light when one of the reasons we're telling Hitomi is so she can act as a stabilizing influence/doesn't inadvertently make things worse contract-wise?
 
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boonerunner said:
Your vote is simpler than mine, which is nice, but it does not cover warning about witches (which is important - we haven't mentioned them at all yet) or checking Hitomi's potential (which would be nice, though it's admittedly not critical), and generally doesn't give as much warning as I would like about the dangers of contracting. So, in my opinion, your vote is too simple.
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We can warn Hitomi about witches next vote, let's not overwhelm her. We can tell Madoka and Sayaka to explain that later, too.

On another topic, the reason I want a visor is so that it will go with our armor set:
1. Wings of Raw Grief
2. Plate Armor (under our coat)
3. Infinity Gauntlets (different gems give different abilities)
4. Helm of Mental Stability (to block mind control)
5. Visor of Detection (to see potential, links between soul gems and bodies, visual interface to the gauntlets, etc)
6. Boots of Swiftness (jet boots would go well with the wings)

Though it would make sense to wear sunglasses rather than a visor when we're in casual clothes.
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Last time we made grief armor, Sabrina used grief plates under her meguca costume. Pretty cool, we can do armor and rock the coat at the same time.[/QUOTE]
 
[x] "Madoka and Sayaka kind of got dragged into it by accident. That's how they met Mami."
[x] "Then I met them due to circumstances around when I arrived here."
[x] "And Homura met Mami earlier, and... well, lots of things have happened that tied us all together."
[x] "The important thing, though, is that through all of this, you've never really been directly affected, so we've been trying to avoid dragging you into the mess that is the magical girl world."
[x] "However it's not fair to them, or to you, to constantly have to tiptoe around this massive secret. You're their friend — our friend — which means we don't want to hide things from you."
[x] "This isn't a recruitment speech or anything; we're not trying to drag you into being a magical girl. This is just us coming clean about some of the issues that a friend should know about."
[x] Help answer any questions she might have (though let the others take the lead where appropriate, rather than dominating the conversation), with the understanding that we're still wanting to visit Kyousuke before dinner.
-[x] Mention that, though you're far from the best, you are capable of some magical healing. If possible, we'd like to try healing Hitomi's arm and Kyousuke's hand before we head back home tonight.
 
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I think it'd be kind of awkward if we put a bunch of venom into describing the little bastard right here and now though.

Plus, it'd probably push Mami's trauma buttons a bit harder than is strictly necessary in this situation.
 
Except that really isn't the case. At all. We're selling the rat as a neutral or positive influence in the SWB suggestion, and that really isn't a good idea or helpful. Venom or no, we do not and should not be doing that.

How do you think Mami's going to like us whitewashing Kyubey? No one's saying to dwell on it, but there is no conceivable benefit to tricking Madoka and Sayaka's friend into thinking that contracting is in any way a positive influence or that Kyubey is anything but a predator.

That vote isn't a simplification at all, it's a rewrite that glosses over the truth and not for the better. Voting for it is voting to potentially upset Mami, flat out lie to Hitomi, and possibly make things worse down the line rather than just telling the truth about the rat and how he isn't their friend.
 
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Krecart said:
I think it'd be kind of awkward if we put a bunch of venom into describing the little bastard right here and now though.

Plus, it'd probably push Mami's trauma buttons a bit harder than is strictly necessary in this situation.
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We don't need to straight up demonize him, but the fact that he's a deceptive little bastard out to trick you is something that everyone should be introduced to if they don't know who Kyubey is.
 
Gadjo said:
We don't need to straight up demonize him, but the fact that he's a deceptive little bastard out to trick you is something that everyone should be introduced to if they don't know who Kyubey is.
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Why are we talking about Kyuubey at all at this point? He's not relevant to the conversation. The only real universal motivation here is that we (including Madoka and Sayaka) just don't like having to keep Hitomi in the dark about all this. That's the only answer that needs to be brought up. She didn't ask for a dissertation on the magical girl system, and we can save such things for when she actually wants more details (such as when she's spending personal time with her closest friends and trying to come to terms with everything).

I do, of course, want to allude to the fact that being a magical girl isn't that great, but that can easily be done in the natural flow of what's being said without having to stop and bring out a Powerpoint presentation. Madoka and Sayaka are in on some of the darker secrets, so they can also answer questions properly whenever they come up.

In fact, simply sharing this secret with her, along with the hint that it's not that pleasant, should be enough to short-circuit any Kyuubey recruitment attempts, since she'll then be able to talk with her friends about it, which will in turn guarantee she has the information she needs (if she didn't already know by that point).
 
He's extremely relevant to magic and being meguca not being great, and "hopefully Madoka will say it, maybe" isn't a reason to not bring it up just in case she doesn't.

She just asked why the magical girls present brought in Madoka, Sayaka, and her. That shows she really doesn't get what the system is right now, and we need to explain it so she understands what's at state. A dissertation on the magical girl system is , in effect, exactly what she asked for with that question. (ie: she doesn't get it at all)

Not bringing it up just compounds our previous lack of a clear explanation.
 
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    • Onmur said:
    We could try and see if we can just feel potential, first.
    Notice the lack of green when we sense people magically, rather than visually.
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    Krecart said:
    Does this need to be done now? Also, the fact that we can sense Madoka and Sayaka, but not Hitomi seems to indicate that she doesn't have any noteworthy potential.
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    That we can't sense her (from a distance) is indicative, it might mean that she has no potential or a very small potential, or just that we aren't familiar enough with her to identify her from a distance. But we ought to check what our senses tell us more closely (and perhaps test with marbles/telepathy) to be sure. Even if she only has a small potential, it's still possible that Kyuubey would try to recruit her. And the reason that it's immediately relevant to the current conversation is that Hitomi will be curious to know one way or the other since her friends do have potential.

    Actually, @Firnagzen, do our passive sensing abilities let us see Hitomi's potential (compared to Sayaka and Madoka), or would that require an active vote?

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    I do, of course, want to allude to the fact that being a magical girl isn't that great, but that can easily be done in the natural flow of what's being said without having to stop and bring out a Powerpoint presentation. Madoka and Sayaka are in on some of the darker secrets, so they can also answer questions properly whenever they come up.
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    The existence and danger of witches is immediately relevant both to the discussion about the costs of contracting and with respect to the danger that they pose to Hitomi personally, so I think we need to make sure to bring it up as part of the vote.
     
    Kinematics said:
    Why are we talking about Kyuubey at all at this point? He's not relevant to the conversation. The only real universal motivation here is that we (including Madoka and Sayaka) just don't like having to keep Hitomi in the dark about all this. That's the only answer that needs to be brought up. She didn't ask for a dissertation on the magical girl system, and we can save such things for when she actually wants more details (such as when she's spending personal time with her closest friends and trying to come to terms with everything).

    I do, of course, want to allude to the fact that being a magical girl isn't that great, but that can easily be done in the natural flow of what's being said without having to stop and bring out a Powerpoint presentation. Madoka and Sayaka are in on some of the darker secrets, so they can also answer questions properly whenever they come up.

    In fact, simply sharing this secret with her, along with the hint that it's not that pleasant, should be enough to short-circuit any Kyuubey recruitment attempts, since she'll then be able to talk with her friends about it, which will in turn guarantee she has the information she needs (if she didn't already know by that point).
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    Why would we not mention him? He's an extremely important part of this whole system and why it sucks. Leaving him out it pointless and omits important information.
     
    The more I think about it, the more I think that we really need to make a device which can measure potential in actual concrete numbers. Kyuubey says that adolescent girls have the highest potentials (meaning that most/all people have at least some potential), but he couldn't measure our potential before we contracted because our soul was "strange", and he said that Madoka's potential was higher than he had ever seen to the point that he couldn't measure it. He proceeded to encourage Madoka to contract despite knowing that her witch would probably be strong enough to destroy Earth. This means that he made an assumption (without any actual numbers to support it) that it would be worth more to get Kriemhild Gretchen than the value that rest of the witches and the rest of humanity could contribute in all of the future history of Earth. He based a plan which involved the destruction of Earth on bad data. When it comes to measuring potential, Kyuubey is worse than useless.
     
    boonerunner said:
    The more I think about it, the more I think that we really need to make a device which can measure potential in actual concrete numbers. Kyuubey says that adolescent girls have the highest potentials (meaning that most/all people have at least some potential), but he couldn't measure our potential before we contracted because our soul was "strange", and he said that Madoka's potential was higher than he had ever seen to the point that he couldn't measure it. He proceeded to encourage Madoka to contract despite knowing that her witch would probably be strong enough to destroy Earth. This means that he made an assumption (without any actual numbers to support it) that it would be worth more to get Kriemhild Gretchen than the value that rest of the witches and the rest of humanity could contribute in all of the future history of Earth. He based a plan which involved the destruction of Earth on bad data. When it comes to measuring potential, Kyuubey is worse than useless.
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    I don't remember him saying he couldn't figure out how much she had, but I do remember him saying that the amount of potential she had shouldn't have been theoretically possible. That's some serious power to throw around.
     
    Gadjo said:
    Why would we not mention him? He's an extremely important part of this whole system and why it sucks. Leaving him out it pointless and omits important information.
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    We can leave that for a little later. Hitomi's getting overwhelmed, let's pace ourselves.

    Last vote was going:
    -Soul Gems, Magical Girl, Witches, magic costs, Grief Seeds, potential, Kyubey, contract. (All the explanations!)

    The update went:
    -Soul G-
    -MADOKA INTERRUPT: Start from the beginning: Magic is real.
    Demonstration that magic is real.
    Hitomi uses: Come again?
    Hitomi blinks, watching your hand closely. "T-that's... Can you do it again?"

    ...

    You weren't exactly expecting that response. "Uh, OK." A twist of will, a bit of focus, turns your Soul Gem back into its ring from, and you display your hand to her. She nods, slowly, and you reform the egg shape again.
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    -Magical Girls!
    -Soul gems!
    Hitomi: Requires a moment to compose herself.
    The green-haired girl slumps into the bench behind her. Madoka sits beside her, reaching out anxiously to take the greenette's hand, and Sayaka moves to sit on her other side.
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    -Soul gems further!
    "I-it's... it's terrible."
    -Potential+Wish+Kyubey.
    Hitomi is confused!
    Hitomi shakes her head wordlessly.
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    "And you're..." she shakes her head. "Why me? Why Madoka, and Sayaka? Why bring us into this? W-we're not... special."
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    Hitomi might be awesome level headed, but we can take the next few votes to explain things further. We can maybe even keep talking by telepathy after she leaves, so let's not rush?
     
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